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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| myenglishisno wrote: |
You must realize that you don't know how to debate and you're only a few hairs above ad hominem attacks. . .
You sound preachy, entitled, clueless and condescending. |
So you criticize him of ad hominem attacks, then proceed to launch your own. Brilliant debate tactic!  |
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Bruce W Sims
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Illinois; USA
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| myenglishisno wrote: |
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Thank you....very neatly done.
"is a retard"? "don't have to take crap.."? "...consenting adults"?
And oh, how neatly you sidestepped any suggestion that a Teacher need be mature and grounded.
I'm thinking that you may well represent how this particular Educational venue has come to be the way that it is. A "Taker", are you not? Am I correct in concluding you are directed by the persistent hunt for "whats in it for me", yes? Most certainly you style yourself as one who will not be pushed around by anyone, yes? Unfortunately, while you are posturing, the field that you represent that you are part and parcel of suffers.
For this thread its a matter of a teacher being associated with insulting a mature woman..... in a culture where age and station are nearly everything, nonetheless. Do you even have a clue?
Regards. |
You must realize that you don't know how to debate and you're only a few hairs above ad hominem attacks. Your implication that I'm self-centred is wrong as is your implication that I'm posturing. If anyone is posturing it's you and here's why:
Instead of actually responding to my points you just accused me of a few things and said I was posturing. Then you stuck your nose up in the air and said a bunch of hogwash about maturity, morality and being grounded, without identifying what constitutes any of those things. You sound preachy, entitled, clueless and condescending.
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| For this thread its a matter of a teacher being associated with insulting a mature woman..... in a culture where age and station are nearly everything, nonetheless. Do you even have a clue? |
Do you even have a clue? Have you even taught here for any length of time?
Age and station are everything in this culture, I agree. Should we be part of that or should we take a stand? I think teaching kids to stick up for themselves, grow a spine and defy their elders is a valuable lesson in this society. I wouldn't teach this lesson in my home country but here I think it's an important one.
You just sound really, really out of touch and I think you need to spend more time in Korea before you start telling everyone here how they should teach and how they should behave. |
OK....fair enough. Do you mind if I turn that around? Is there a possibility that the folks who are advocating for a certain mindset may be, themselves, "out of touch"?
I'm wondering if any of you are aware of just how antagonistic, angry and self-satisfied in your spite you sound to somebody not you. The arguement is made that if I were in Korea, then again, in Korea for quite a while, the behaviors described would somehow be justified. I am left to conclude that either rudeness and asocial/antisocial behavior have an excuse,
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You have been angry for so long, that anger now seems normative.
I am willing to accept that you hear condescension and misperception, if you are willing to accept that you have elected to bend the rules of civility and that you have, in some way, come to believe that abuse in response to aberrant behavior is somehow "OK", even laudable.
IIRC we established that behavior identified here would not be well-received in your home countries. Please tell me what makes it OK to act-out in this fashion in Korea? Please explain how teaching a long time in Korea somehow produces the freedon to act out in a manner that would not be acceptable in your home country. Thoughts?
Regards. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
I'm wondering if any of you are aware of just how antagonistic, angry and self-satisfied in your spite you sound to somebody not you. The arguement is made that if I were in Korea, then again, in Korea for quite a while, the behaviors described would somehow be justified. I am left to conclude that either rudeness and asocial/antisocial behavior have an excuse,
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You have been angry for so long, that anger now seems normative. |
Hang out here long enough and you too will become jaded to the following rants:
- I think that adjosshi just looked at me. That's racist!
- A Korean kid had the nerve to say "hi" to me on the street!
- Korean kids don't say "hi" to me on the street. That's racist!
- A student wanted to ask me questions after class time was over. I don't work for free!
- I can't get any dates. Korean girls must all be stuck-up gold-diggers.
- The menu was only in Korean. That's racist!
- I got bumped in a crowded subway. That's racist!
- The price of western foods is higher than in my home country. That's racist!
- The store cashier can't speak English. That's racist!
- The store cashier spoke English to me. That's racist! (Shout out to Tomato on this one.) |
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thegadfly
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| madoka wrote: |
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
I'm wondering if any of you are aware of just how antagonistic, angry and self-satisfied in your spite you sound to somebody not you. The arguement is made that if I were in Korea, then again, in Korea for quite a while, the behaviors described would somehow be justified. I am left to conclude that either rudeness and asocial/antisocial behavior have an excuse,
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You have been angry for so long, that anger now seems normative. |
Hang out here long enough and you too will become jaded to the following rants:
- I think that adjosshi just looked at me. That's racist!
- A Korean kid had the nerve to say "hi" to me on the street!
- Korean kids don't say "hi" to me on the street. That's racist!
- A student wanted to ask me questions after class time was over. I don't work for free!
- I can't get any dates. Korean girls must all be stuck-up gold-diggers.
- The menu was only in Korean. That's racist!
- I got bumped in a crowded subway. That's racist!
- The price of western foods is higher than in my home country. That's racist!
- The store cashier can't speak English. That's racist!
- The store cashier spoke English to me. That's racist! (Shout out to Tomato on this one.) |
+1 Internets to Madoka -- that was a pretty succinct yet complete list! |
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Bruce W Sims
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Illinois; USA
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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Ok....but give me some perspective here...... does that list reflect "here" ----as in this Forum---- or "here"--- as in South Korea? I really don't want to think about getting a position where I will need to listen to someone belly-ache 24/7. Had that with the Dept. of Veterans Affairs and it really makes for looooong days. Help?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| None of this surprises me anymore. Honestly, it shouldn't surprise you either in your 4 1/2th contract. Is Korea really worth all the headaches? Let them learn that if they abuse us too much that we will leave them with no foreign teachers. That is the best thing to do. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
Ok....but give me some perspective here...... does that list reflect "here" ----as in this Forum---- or "here"--- as in South Korea? I really don't want to think about getting a position where I will need to listen to someone belly-ache 24/7. Had that with the Dept. of Veterans Affairs and it really makes for looooong days. Help?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
Don't worry, I'm sure when you come here you'll be left very much alone. |
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thegadfly
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
Ok....but give me some perspective here...... does that list reflect "here" ----as in this Forum---- or "here"--- as in South Korea? I really don't want to think about getting a position where I will need to listen to someone belly-ache 24/7. Had that with the Dept. of Veterans Affairs and it really makes for looooong days. Help?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
The people that prefer to complain about things are probably in the minority, but they are MUCH more vocal than folks that are happy -- as a result, if you go to a foreigner watering hole, you are fairly sure to hear a lot of kvetching.
Another problem is that folks that are ABLE to think logically and with an awareness of their own biases and prejudices AREN'T the ones that will be making the inflammatory statements...and so your attempts to intellignetly debate issues are a waste of your time.
The forum has a higher percentage of such people, because unhappy folks seek out a place to vent, whereas the happier folk are busy living happy lives. Honestly, I generally come to the boards to point out stupidity and racism, as I find it cathartic. Occasionally I try to give helpful advice, but even I use it to work through stress.
People complain everywhere. Read the forums a while, figure out who is reasonable, who is a troll, and with whom a discussion is just a waste of time.
Madoka's list shows most of the common complaints -- and I thought Madoka highlighted the idiocy of such complaints pretty clearly.
There are reasonable, intelligent, thoughtful people everywhere in the world, but such people seem to be in the minority everywhere in the world. I know it seems like there SHOULD be a higher percentage of teachers in this category, but teachers are people, and people are stupid, selfish, lazy, greedy, and horny...and most seem unwilling or unable to lift themselves above those base drives.... |
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minos
Joined: 01 Dec 2010
Location: kOREA
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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I still can't get over the 35,000,000 won in gold robbery. OP's probably more so ranting about that than the finger.
Dude, don't they tell you to keep that stuff in a safe or deposit box when you buy it?
Was your second choice to keep it under mattress?
Did you like swimming around in the gold like this guy
http://blog.twowholecakes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/scrooge-mcduck.jpg |
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litebear
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Holland
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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I've got another question. Has the OP been collecting his severance yearly or is we willing to wave goodbye to 10million won!  |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the OP, I doubt this forum benefits from the annoying self righteousness and long winded bull of Bruce whatever. He comes across like the kinds of socially challenged waygooks in Korea he condemns. Please stick to helping illegal entrants into the US in Illinois and stay off these boards. Thanks. |
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Bruce W Sims
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Illinois; USA
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| earthquakez wrote: |
| Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the OP, I doubt this forum benefits from the annoying self righteousness and long winded bull of Bruce whatever. He comes across like the kinds of socially challenged waygooks in Korea he condemns. Please stick to helping illegal entrants into the US in Illinois and stay off these boards. Thanks. |
You're welcome, Quake:
Mmmmmm....checking back...... I think I was commenting on "antagonism" and "anger" earlier........ I guess that thought about it becoming "normative" touched pretty close to home. Anyhow, you may be right about the manner in which I come across. It does not, however, mean that I'm necessarily wrong in my conclusions. FWIW. |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
Ok....but give me some perspective here...... does that list reflect "here" ----as in this Forum---- or "here"--- as in South Korea? I really don't want to think about getting a position where I will need to listen to someone belly-ache 24/7. Had that with the Dept. of Veterans Affairs and it really makes for looooong days. Help?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
nice brucy. so you had a job taking care of our veterans and you come on here to discredit and disrespect them. good job.  |
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Bruce W Sims
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Illinois; USA
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
Ok....but give me some perspective here...... does that list reflect "here" ----as in this Forum---- or "here"--- as in South Korea? I really don't want to think about getting a position where I will need to listen to someone belly-ache 24/7. Had that with the Dept. of Veterans Affairs and it really makes for looooong days. Help?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
nice brucy. so you had a job taking care of our veterans and you come on here to discredit and disrespect them. good job. |
Not sure where you drew that from. The Department of Veterans Affairs has a checkered reputation, but thats nothing new. Nobody has said anything about the veterans themselves, except identifying my own status.
I think I was mentioning "antagonism" and "anger" being normative. Perhaps, if this applies to you, we can also add "impaired sight and judgement". Just a thought. |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
Ok....but give me some perspective here...... does that list reflect "here" ----as in this Forum---- or "here"--- as in South Korea? I really don't want to think about getting a position where I will need to listen to someone belly-ache 24/7. Had that with the Dept. of Veterans Affairs and it really makes for looooong days. Help?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
nice brucy. so you had a job taking care of our veterans and you come on here to discredit and disrespect them. good job. |
Not sure where you drew that from. The Department of Veterans Affairs has a checkered reputation, but thats nothing new. Nobody has said anything about the veterans themselves, except identifying my own status.
I think I was mentioning "antagonism" and "anger" being normative. Perhaps, if this applies to you, we can also add "impaired sight and judgement". Just a thought. |
checkered reputation according to who? why do you insult our noble institution which takes care of the veterans? who gave you the right to make that judgement. your tone appears to be sour. perhaps you were washed out as you neglected to do your job of taking care of our heroes. congrats i guess you don't have to listened to their belly aches any more. i'm greatful. |
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