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Bruce W Sims
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Illinois; USA
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| Ramen wrote: |
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Ok....but give me some perspective here...... does that list reflect "here" ----as in this Forum---- or "here"--- as in South Korea? I really don't want to think about getting a position where I will need to listen to someone belly-ache 24/7. Had that with the Dept. of Veterans Affairs and it really makes for looooong days. Help?
Best Wishes,
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nice brucy. so you had a job taking care of our veterans and you come on here to discredit and disrespect them. good job.  |
Not sure where you drew that from. The Department of Veterans Affairs has a checkered reputation, but thats nothing new. Nobody has said anything about the veterans themselves, except identifying my own status.
I think I was mentioning "antagonism" and "anger" being normative. Perhaps, if this applies to you, we can also add "impaired sight and judgement". Just a thought. |
checkered reputation according to who? why do you insult our noble institution which takes care of the veterans? who gave you the right to make that judgement. your tone appears to be sour. perhaps you were washed out as you neglected to do your job of taking care of our heroes. congrats i guess you don't have to listened to their belly aches any more. i'm greatful. |
You know....I'm actually kind of glad you are being immature about this as it interfaces rather neatly with the subject of this thread.
There are things that nurses, doctors, counselors and administrators do in the Department of Veterans Affairs that would leave a reasonable person scratching their head. In many ways this is much like the behaviors and attitudes I have seen reflected here. Allow me to give a couple of examples.
A.) I have read some interesting posts about whether ESL teachers in Korea ought sleep with their students. Lets put to one side the Ethics of it. At the VA I worked at it was a well-known dynamic for nurses to develop relationships with patients, and, occassionally even marry them. As I say, put to one side the legality and, yes, even the Ethics. These relationships developed in spite of it being against the written policy --black and white---of the agency.
B.) I have read interesting posts here about teachers looking to duck-out on taxes, break contracts and teach students illegally in their apartments. At the VA I worked at, theft of government property, misuse of governemnt assets, theft from patient assets and misrepresentation of programing were all too common.
C.) I have fielded quite a few "shots" from people here about being "preachy" or "condescending". Labels don't hurt. At the VA, people like myself and a limited number of others actually had to work to get veterans' needs met IN SPITE of the system not because of it. We were identified as "not team players", "boy scouts", "mavericks" and "loners" by co-workers who felt-----you're gonna LOVE this--- felt they were not GETTTING PAID ENOUGH to do the job right.
I served the veterans for 15 years so the static I'm getting from burned-out ex-pat teacher-wannabees is almost nothing. Given a chance, and even on my worst day in the classroom, I teach rings around the likes of you. |
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ssuprnova
Joined: 17 Dec 2010
Location: Saigon
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| Don't you ever stop? I mean, I understand that being retired entails ample free time and a fair amount of sheer boredom, but aren't there any better things to do than to sign up for a random internet forum and argue on topics that you know nothing about? Come on, man, take up a light hobby, maybe join some senior classes... anything but barging into every topic and acting as the highest authority on all matters related to working in South Korea. |
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Bruce W Sims
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Illinois; USA
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| Don't you ever stop? I mean, I understand that being retired entails ample free time and a fair amount of sheer boredom, but aren't there any better things to do than to sign up for a random internet forum and argue on topics that you know nothing about? Come on, man, take up a light hobby, maybe join some senior classes... anything but barging into every topic and acting as the highest authority on all matters related to working in South Korea. |
Ya know, yer absolutely right. I DO have better things to do than spend anymore energy on a thread like this. |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
| Ramen wrote: |
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
| Ramen wrote: |
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
Ok....but give me some perspective here...... does that list reflect "here" ----as in this Forum---- or "here"--- as in South Korea? I really don't want to think about getting a position where I will need to listen to someone belly-ache 24/7. Had that with the Dept. of Veterans Affairs and it really makes for looooong days. Help?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
nice brucy. so you had a job taking care of our veterans and you come on here to discredit and disrespect them. good job. |
Not sure where you drew that from. The Department of Veterans Affairs has a checkered reputation, but thats nothing new. Nobody has said anything about the veterans themselves, except identifying my own status.
I think I was mentioning "antagonism" and "anger" being normative. Perhaps, if this applies to you, we can also add "impaired sight and judgement". Just a thought. |
checkered reputation according to who? why do you insult our noble institution which takes care of the veterans? who gave you the right to make that judgement. your tone appears to be sour. perhaps you were washed out as you neglected to do your job of taking care of our heroes. congrats i guess you don't have to listened to their belly aches any more. i'm greatful. |
You know....I'm actually kind of glad you are being immature about this as it interfaces rather neatly with the subject of this thread.
There are things that nurses, doctors, counselors and administrators do in the Department of Veterans Affairs that would leave a reasonable person scratching their head. In many ways this is much like the behaviors and attitudes I have seen reflected here. Allow me to give a couple of examples.
A.) I have read some interesting posts about whether ESL teachers in Korea ought sleep with their students. Lets put to one side the Ethics of it. At the VA I worked at it was a well-known dynamic for nurses to develop relationships with patients, and, occassionally even marry them. As I say, put to one side the legality and, yes, even the Ethics. These relationships developed in spite of it being against the written policy --black and white---of the agency.
B.) I have read interesting posts here about teachers looking to duck-out on taxes, break contracts and teach students illegally in their apartments. At the VA I worked at, theft of government property, misuse of governemnt assets, theft from patient assets and misrepresentation of programing were all too common.
C.) I have fielded quite a few "shots" from people here about being "preachy" or "condescending". Labels don't hurt. At the VA, people like myself and a limited number of others actually had to work to get veterans' needs met IN SPITE of the system not because of it. We were identified as "not team players", "boy scouts", "mavericks" and "loners" by co-workers who felt-----you're gonna LOVE this--- felt they were not GETTTING PAID ENOUGH to do the job right.
I served the veterans for 15 years so the static I'm getting from burned-out ex-pat teacher-wannabees is almost nothing. Given a chance, and even on my worst day in the classroom, I teach rings around the likes of you.
sorry sunshine, but i doubt you'll ever be given a chance in here. why don't you try wonderland?
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and yeah, isn't it about time for you to quit singing?
and to the op, sorry for the interruption that brucy has caused. i hope everything worked out for you. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Who cares who did what? Maybe it wasn't right to flip someone off, but it isn't right to be an idiot either. Do people call your employer in the west if you flip them off in traffic? Then the woman should shut up. But in the case here, deny, deny, deny. Go on the offensive and tell her to drive better and to keep children's safety in mind. If the meeting starts going badly, tell them you can make a call to Kim & Jeong's lawyer offices in Seoul. (Not an advertisement; just a name I hear Koreans throw around.) Anyways, threaten to sue for libel and slander as she's making you lose face. That's what the Libel law is based on, here. Doesn't matter if something is true, you can sue if it's hurting their image or causing a loss of face. |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| so... what happened OP? did you apologize or put a pie in the woman's face? |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| so... what happened OP? did you apologize or put a pie in the woman's face? |
...a pie in the sky hope for the pie in the face.  |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:53 am Post subject: |
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And someone was saying the school has no grounds to terminate you. Because there is nothing in the contract about this I think. Or there was not ethic/legal boundary about doing some kind of action.
Well there is this from the GEPIK contracts:
Article 17.4. The Employee shall make every reasonable effort to uphold the positive reputation of the Korean teaching profession by conforming to the code of conduct as expected of teachers by Korean society.
Giving someone the %@#& *&& motion right outside your school, in front of your students, to a potential parent of said students is not upholding the positive reputation (regardless of how low you think our Korean counterparts might have set the bar). It was a lapse of judgement. Lapses of judgement carry consequences. Fess up, apologize and move on.
What do you do in class when you catch a student flipping the bird? Ask him to apologize? Refer to your behavior management system? What about someone who acts out of line or insults another student? They face the consequences right? Why is this any different? In my classes just because someone makes a mistake or says a stupid answer it doesn't give the rest of the class free reign to give the kid the finger and call him an idiot. Those who do it are reprimanded and made to apologize. Take a lesson from you own teachings. |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| so... what happened OP? did you apologize or put a pie in the woman's face? |
Probably nothing at all. I can't be the only one thinking obvious troll is obvious? |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:10 am Post subject: |
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And someone was saying the school has no grounds to terminate you. Because there is nothing in the contract about this I think. Or there was not ethic/legal boundary about doing some kind of action.
Well there is this from the GEPIK contracts:
Article 17.4. The Employee shall make every reasonable effort to uphold the positive reputation of the Korean teaching profession by conforming to the code of conduct as expected of teachers by Korean society.
Giving someone the %@#& *&& motion right outside your school, in front of your students, to a potential parent of said students is not upholding the positive reputation (regardless of how low you think our Korean counterparts might have set the bar). It was a lapse of judgement. Lapses of judgement carry consequences. Fess up, apologize and move on.
What do you do in class when you catch a student flipping the bird? Ask him to apologize? Refer to your behavior management system? What about someone who acts out of line or insults another student? They face the consequences right? Why is this any different? In my classes just because someone makes a mistake or says a stupid answer it doesn't give the rest of the class free reign to give the kid the finger and call him an idiot. Those who do it are reprimanded and made to apologize. Take a lesson from you own teachings. |
what do you do when you catch a student running like an idiot down the hall or in the classroom? i hope you would let the student know that it's not proper to do so since it could cause harm to himself and others. usually, student would become shamed and apologize.
also, the op said he did NOT flipped the woman off and did NOT told her the F-word as she said he did. the woman is lying. despite her idiotcy, she is probably just angered that some ft showed her off. burden of proof is on her. they can't fire the op for that. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:42 am Post subject: |
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And someone was saying the school has no grounds to terminate you. Because there is nothing in the contract about this I think. Or there was not ethic/legal boundary about doing some kind of action.
Well there is this from the GEPIK contracts:
Article 17.4. The Employee shall make every reasonable effort to uphold the positive reputation of the Korean teaching profession by conforming to the code of conduct as expected of teachers by Korean society.
Giving someone the %@#& *&& motion right outside your school, in front of your students, to a potential parent of said students is not upholding the positive reputation (regardless of how low you think our Korean counterparts might have set the bar). It was a lapse of judgement. Lapses of judgement carry consequences. Fess up, apologize and move on.
What do you do in class when you catch a student flipping the bird? Ask him to apologize? Refer to your behavior management system? What about someone who acts out of line or insults another student? They face the consequences right? Why is this any different? In my classes just because someone makes a mistake or says a stupid answer it doesn't give the rest of the class free reign to give the kid the finger and call him an idiot. Those who do it are reprimanded and made to apologize. Take a lesson from you own teachings. |
what do you do when you catch a student running like an idiot down the hall or in the classroom? i hope you would let the student know that it's not proper to do so since it could cause harm to himself and others. usually, student would become shamed and apologize.
also, the op said he did NOT flipped the woman off and did NOT told her the F-word as she said he did. the woman is lying. despite her idiotcy, she is probably just angered that some ft showed her off. burden of proof is on her. they can't fire the op for that. |
Exactly, if someone catches you giving someone the $%^# &#$ gesture then they should be told not to by the powers that be. |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
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And someone was saying the school has no grounds to terminate you. Because there is nothing in the contract about this I think. Or there was not ethic/legal boundary about doing some kind of action.
Well there is this from the GEPIK contracts:
Article 17.4. The Employee shall make every reasonable effort to uphold the positive reputation of the Korean teaching profession by conforming to the code of conduct as expected of teachers by Korean society.
Giving someone the %@#& *&& motion right outside your school, in front of your students, to a potential parent of said students is not upholding the positive reputation (regardless of how low you think our Korean counterparts might have set the bar). It was a lapse of judgement. Lapses of judgement carry consequences. Fess up, apologize and move on.
What do you do in class when you catch a student flipping the bird? Ask him to apologize? Refer to your behavior management system? What about someone who acts out of line or insults another student? They face the consequences right? Why is this any different? In my classes just because someone makes a mistake or says a stupid answer it doesn't give the rest of the class free reign to give the kid the finger and call him an idiot. Those who do it are reprimanded and made to apologize. Take a lesson from you own teachings. |
what do you do when you catch a student running like an idiot down the hall or in the classroom? i hope you would let the student know that it's not proper to do so since it could cause harm to himself and others. usually, student would become shamed and apologize.
also, the op said he did NOT flipped the woman off and did NOT told her the F-word as she said he did. the woman is lying. despite her idiotcy, she is probably just angered that some ft showed her off. burden of proof is on her. they can't fire the op for that. |
Exactly, if someone catches you giving someone the $%^# &#$ gesture then they should be told not to by the powers that be. |
yes, the woman should apologize. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| Ramen wrote: |
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And someone was saying the school has no grounds to terminate you. Because there is nothing in the contract about this I think. Or there was not ethic/legal boundary about doing some kind of action.
Well there is this from the GEPIK contracts:
Article 17.4. The Employee shall make every reasonable effort to uphold the positive reputation of the Korean teaching profession by conforming to the code of conduct as expected of teachers by Korean society.
Giving someone the %@#& *&& motion right outside your school, in front of your students, to a potential parent of said students is not upholding the positive reputation (regardless of how low you think our Korean counterparts might have set the bar). It was a lapse of judgement. Lapses of judgement carry consequences. Fess up, apologize and move on.
What do you do in class when you catch a student flipping the bird? Ask him to apologize? Refer to your behavior management system? What about someone who acts out of line or insults another student? They face the consequences right? Why is this any different? In my classes just because someone makes a mistake or says a stupid answer it doesn't give the rest of the class free reign to give the kid the finger and call him an idiot. Those who do it are reprimanded and made to apologize. Take a lesson from you own teachings. |
what do you do when you catch a student running like an idiot down the hall or in the classroom? i hope you would let the student know that it's not proper to do so since it could cause harm to himself and others. usually, student would become shamed and apologize.
also, the op said he did NOT flipped the woman off and did NOT told her the F-word as she said he did. the woman is lying. despite her idiotcy, she is probably just angered that some ft showed her off. burden of proof is on her. they can't fire the op for that. |
If your student is running down the hall like an idiot do you call them a $#@& $%& verbally or just make the gesture with your hand? Not sure what you're claiming you do in that situation....
I never said he should be fired. But he should apologize for what he did. It was bad judgement. So is driving like an idiot. |
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:01 am Post subject: |
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This woman is damned evil and selfish. You should meet her with your principal and give her the same gesture and ask all of them to apologize to you for giving you a hard time for her reckless driving. If they don't like it, give them the same hand gesture again and walk away.
Some of you people on this thread are just whacked. |
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