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Is it good to be the only foreign teacher at your school?
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maladict23



Joined: 17 May 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:16 am    Post subject: Is it good to be the only foreign teacher at your school? Reply with quote

Does anyone have any experience of this?

Thanks in advance.
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koreatimes



Joined: 07 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are new and not sure about working/living in Asia, it might be better to work at a school with other foreign teachers or in the same area with other foreigners.

However, if you aren't worried about it, then being the only teacher is usually better in my opinion. The school can't pit one teacher against another.

My last school did this, and the owner is American. A new teacher came and she was not used to the hourly expectations. To her, 40 hours teaching was just fine since 40 hours back home was expected. Well, other teachers left or got fired, and it left us. The owner said he would look for a third teacher to replace but he never did. Finally I asked for overtime or less hours. He declined knowing the new teacher still had no problems with 40 hours. I quit, and this put pressure on her to teach more as she was the only teacher left. The owner also taught more since he was American. Finally, her husband got her thinking about the workload and she asked for more pay. Same thing, and she left.

The point is, if she didn't look at it the way she did in the beginning we would both still be working there. The owner lost good teachers for the sake of milking us. If you are the only teacher, then this never happens. You have to make sure that if you do work with other foreigners you see eye to eye on issues. It's not just your co-teacher relationships that are important.

I am the only foreign teacher at my current school, and one bad thing can come up, but it is reality and not something you can avoid. Your schedule might be very light some months, but since you are the only teacher when the school gets business you'll be booked. You need to make sure your schedule is not full with other stuff in these cases. Plan summer stuff well in advance with the schools. Today I found out I have to 3 class periods for one class (2 classes total). They want me to finish 1 textbook for each group. The hours still don't amount to much, but I didn't really like knowing I would have to teach a whole book during the hottest month of the year to two classes.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, It can be OK or it can be a nightmare.

I ended up not getting paid and losing about 5 mil won.

If the school has had previous foreign teachers, be sure to talk to them and ask very specific questions.

Did you always get paid on time?

Was there any trouble getting paid?

Were promises made and then not kept?

Did the school have resources?

What were the hours like?

Was the boss decent or a nazi wannabee?
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Vix



Joined: 18 Jun 2010
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found it pretty isolating to be honest. The right coteachers can make your day all the more bearable. There's nothing like talking to someone who you know will get what you mean first time Wink Also if you are the only foreigner it can feel like it all falls on you at times.
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marsavalanche



Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love it.

My previous job on a DAILY basis I dealt with sexual harassment, racism, and other douchebaggery from all but one of my co-workers (they were ALL gyopos I'd like to add) and couldn't be happier at my new job. Hell it was so bad I felt compelled to ask how many gyopos were at the schools I was interviewing for. NEVER again.

New job = just one Korean teacher and myself. She's professional, easy-going, and we're a great team. I have my life outside of my job, so at the workplace it's a perfect set up for me.

I think if it's your first year, try to go to a big school. If not, go it alone, take care of business, and you'll be fine.
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You



Joined: 31 May 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was at a GEPIK Public School where I was the only foreign teacher and the hardship of it was they didn't seem to know what they were doing. So they tried to make up their own rules as they went along, I always made them call the GEPIK person for our area who would set them straight but it's just a hassle you have to deal with if they aren't experienced.
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alistaircandlin



Joined: 24 Sep 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends, partly, on the individual. what do you think you'd prefer?

Also, of course, it depends on the relationship you had with the other foreign teachers - could be good, could be bad.

I've only spent one year, out of three in Korea, working with foreign colleagues - this was my first year, when I taught in a Hagwon. Most of my colleagues were very helpful and welcoming. One guy could be a bit difficult at times. Another guy was a bit odd. to say the least, but on a personal basis he was interesting, in small doses.

So - I'd say it's an unanswerable question, actually. There's too many variables. It's like picking a bunch of random strangers, locking them in a house together for a month, and wondering whether they'll get on: some will, some won't - it just depends.

Not very helpful, sorry. Sad
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kingssurfer



Joined: 14 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My previous job on a DAILY basis I dealt with sexual harassment, racism, and other douchebaggery from all but one of my co-workers (they were ALL gyopos I'd like to add) and couldn't be happier at my new job. Hell it was so bad I felt compelled to ask how many gyopos were at the schools I was interviewing for. NEVER again.

New job = just one Korean teacher and myself. She's professional, easy-going, and we're a great team. I have my life outside of my job, so at the workplace it's a perfect set up for me.


It seems that you, and I have had a similar experience in this country, but my co workers weren't gyopos.

I do have something to say about this. IMO it is a great, especially if you�re foreign co-workers are complete douche bags. Let me tell you a little story about my two previous sh*thole hagwons and the foreign douche bags that worked there.


Case 1

In my first month there, the person that I replaced quit, and a month later another one of my foreign co teachers was fired. I would like to mention that neither one of them were d bags. The foreign teacher that was fired claimed it was because the Korean teachers, and especially the head Korean female teacher were constantly manipulating him for the hell of it. The co claimed, it was because he lost his temper.
On to the foreign douche bags that I worked with.

Foreigner 1

This douche bag went wondering off into the mountains late at night the day before his first day of work. He then proceeded to get lost, and was lucky enough to run into a Korean English speaker that guided him down the mountain. He then got sick, and did not show up for his entire first day of work. I won�t go into other things and his behavior throughout the time I was there.

Foreigner 2
This douche bags showed up 40 minutes late to work, and constantly complained in the teachers room about how he wasn't getting paid overtime, which while true, was not said by anyone else. In the teachers room he would openly talk about how he wanted to bang the disgusting head Korean female teacher, who was divorced with a 5 year old kid.

Foreigner 3
This girl somehow graduated from a college in the states, and I have no idea how. And no she did not immigrate to the U.S. When she spoke, she did not use articles in her sentences, nor did she know what an idiom was. I didn�t mind that so much, but she also showed up 30 minutes late to class hung over 3 different times.

The Hagwon�s response was to do nothing. I guess they saw these people as being stupid, which meant they could take advantage of them

Case 2

Foreigner 4
This guy gets the award for the biggest douche bag I have ever met. When I first met him, he claimed he was under the impression something was going to happen, but couldn�t say what. He also told me that he bought a house in the states, and then sold it to come to Korea. He did not have a degree, and claimed it was because he could not afford college.

So you bought a house, but you couldn�t afford uni? Wtf?
He must have been working on his wives E2 visa, because he clearly did not have a degree, and claimed he had an E2 junior visa. WTF? He was also totally *beep* whipped by his wife. I would later find out that he was making a million won a month, and he would work there 10 hours a day, which made him the favorite.

Now, what made him such a complete douche bag? The day he typed up a piece of paper stating that he was my boss, because he had been there for 4 month longer. A guy with no degree, probably working there illegally, actually did that. Unreal.

I really needed to get this off my chest. It is unreal that I had to meet these people.

I now have a great job, where I am the only foreigner there, and have an awesome Korean co teacher.
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mollayo



Joined: 11 Oct 2010
Location: At the my house

PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At my school, I'm the only foreigner. It's just me and my Korean co-teacher at a hogwan. It's nice, because I don't have to deal with anyone. When I'm not teaching I can just sit in the office and chill.
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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kingssurfer wrote:
This douche bag went wondering off into the mountains late at night the day before his first day of work. He then proceeded to get lost, and was lucky enough to run into a Korean English speaker that guided him down the mountain. He then got sick, and did not show up for his entire first day of work. I won�t go into other things and his behavior throughout the time I was there.


He thought he should check out his surroundings, got lost and as upshot got sick. Is that such a heinous sin?

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This douche bags showed up 40 minutes late to work.


What this just once, twice, how many times?

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he would openly talk about how he wanted to bang the disgusting head Korean female teacher, who was divorced with a 5 year old kid.


You thought her disgusting for getting divorced with a 5 year old kid?

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This guy gets the award for the biggest douche bag I have ever met. When I first met him, he claimed he was under the impression something was going to happen, but couldn�t say what.


Is this really even worth bringing up here?

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He also told me that he bought a house in the states, and then sold it to come to Korea. He did not have a degree, and claimed it was because he could not afford college. So you bought a house, but you couldn�t afford uni? Wtf?


Maybe he didn't want a degree when he bought the house and the house had negative equity when he sold it.

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It is unreal that I had to meet these people.


OP, you see what can happen if you join a hakwon with other foreign staff, you might bump into a poster kingssurfer nazi the very first day.
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kingssurfer



Joined: 14 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all

You don't go wondering into the mountains the night before your first day of work. It's not a very smart idea. Especially when you don't read, write, or speak the language of the country your in. Getting sick is not a heinous sin, but doing stupid things that make you sick, is not very smart.

Once, and he would continuously say ridiculous things in the teachers room.

No, she was disgusting for intentionally sabotaging people just because she could, and let's just say there were 5 different people that were severely pissed off at her.


Yea I am sure he sold the house because it had negative equity. Because that's what he said, right?, or maybe he was just full of it.

People call other people nazis when they have no argument.
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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kingssurfer wrote:
I now have a great job, where I am the only foreigner there, and have an awesome Korean co teacher.


You did the very best thing for yourself by going one-up....no other foreigners about pissing all over you..

Only a nice fat cultural barrier to insulate and square you off from your own inadequacies..

Shame for your poor Korean co-teacher who thinks you the standard much vaunted foreigner and trying to obey her instructions to get along at all costs!!

Enjoy while it lasts!!
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joelove



Joined: 12 May 2011

PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It can be good or bad. If the job is OK and you make friends, then good. If not both of those, then maybe not.
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koreatimes



Joined: 07 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess it could be bad at times when the school doesn't always communicate a regular schedule. Usually I teach younger students and then older students. Today, they decided to have older students come in the morning.

So, since I didn't show up this morning (I was sleeping), they kept calling and came to my apartment Laughing Laughing
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kingssurfer



Joined: 14 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Only a nice fat cultural barrier to insulate and square you off from your own inadequacies..

Shame for your poor Korean co-teacher who thinks you the standard much vaunted foreigner and trying to obey her instructions to get along at all costs!!

Enjoy while it lasts!!


Yea, I actually do my job, and have dealt with other people who clearly don't. I guess that makes me inadequate. It's a shame I have problems with foreigners who come to class late and hungover several times.

Maybe, I don't like being in places where people are clearly lying, and not doing there jobs. Yea it's a poor shame that my Korean co teacher doesn't have me show up 30 minutes hungover late to class on several occasions. And, you bet I will enjoy this while it lasts. I don't have time for people who act like morons.
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