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Leon
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| I can not think of any conceivable way that this wasn't by force, or for money. |
Sometimes people simply have sex with one another. One night stands happen all the time, with both sides knowing it will never go any further.
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| Either he says he's the type of man who propose the help for causual sex, or he thinks it is normal for the help to propose to him, and then has hard core intercourse with them, so hard that it bruises them. |
Given his cultural and economic background, I don't find this to be especially unbelievable. |
You're stretching here. Your second point, as disgusting as it might be, might have some validity, but your first point is absurd. In fact this is part of the prosecutions case, she was not in the hotel room for a long time. Yes causaul sex happens all the time, but this is another thing. How often does causual sex happen without any time for flirting, between an old and unnattractive man, while one is working? It is possible of course, but is it likely, not in the least. It is highly improbable that this was just your standard one night stand scenario. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| ... but your first point is absurd. In fact this is part of the prosecutions case, she was not in the hotel room for a long time. Yes causaul sex happens all the time, but this is another thing. |
How do you know? This is two people you've never met, both of whom have a substantially different life background than you, and both of whom obviously have a very different attitude regarding sex than you, one being a known prostitute, the other being a womanizer.
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| How often does causual sex happen without any time for flirting, between an old and unnattractive man, while one is working? |
I don't know. Neither do you. Neither of us should be willing to send a man to jail based on such totally dataless suppositions. Completely plausible scenarios in which he is innocent of any wrongdoing come to mind. Scenarios in which he is guilty also come to mind, but we needn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he's innocent, we need prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he's guilty.
Oh, and by the way, if he is guilty of soliciting prostitution, his penalty in New York would be, "A $45 fine, a day of community service and a three-hour class on the dangers of soliciting prostitutes." So let's not talk about this secondary possibility as if it's anywhere near as damning as the first (or anywhere near as damning as what the woman herself is indisputably guilty of). Either he forcibly raped her, or he's guilty of at most an absolutely trivial victimless crime.
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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| ... but your first point is absurd. In fact this is part of the prosecutions case, she was not in the hotel room for a long time. Yes causaul sex happens all the time, but this is another thing. |
How do you know? This is two people you've never met, both of whom have a substantially different life background than you, and both of whom obviously have a very different attitude regarding sex than you, one being a known prostitute, the other being a womanizer.
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| How often does causual sex happen without any time for flirting, between an old and unnattractive man, while one is working? |
I don't know. Neither do you. Neither of us should be willing to send a man to jail based on such totally dataless suppositions. Completely plausible scenarios in which he is innocent of any wrongdoing come to mind. Scenarios in which he is guilty also come to mind, but we needn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he's innocent, we need prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he's guilty. |
Well, if she is a known prostitute like you said then wouldn't that make him guilty of solicitation. The most recent thing I saw was that she gave him oral sex and he refused to pay her, and then he was rough with her, giving her the bruise. In this scenario the assualt would be the crime. This account comes from the NY Post, which I'm not sure if it is a legitimate source or not. I learned something else interesting reading another article about this, if the sex is at first consensual it can be a crime if one person performs a deviant act, such as violent sex, with out express permision from the other, at least in New York. The case is not destroyed yet. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, if she is a known prostitute like you said then wouldn't that make him guilty of solicitation. |
Not if he neither offered to pay her nor actually did pay her.
In case you missed it though, I also edited the above post to include the penalty for soliciting prostitutes in New York. I don't think whether or not he solicited prostitution is a worthwhile topic to pursue; even if he did, the penalty is so trivial that arguing over it is essentially comparable to arguing over whether or not the guy deserved a speeding ticket. What matters is whether or not he raped her, and I don't see enough evidence to convict him of that beyond a reasonable doubt.
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| The most recent thing I saw was that she gave him oral sex and he refused to pay her, and then he was rough with her, giving her the bruise. In this scenario the assualt would be the crime. |
Certainly another hypothetical possibility, but this is not what he's been charged with, and in order for it to become the charge the maid would have to admit she lied about the rape, which would destroy her credibility in court even further.
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| I learned something else interesting reading another article about this, if the sex is at first consensual it can be a crime if one person performs a deviant act, such as violent sex, with out express permision from the other, at least in New York. |
Interesting, but again, another thing that he's both not being charged with, and would require the maid to admit she lied regarding her original story in order for it to become the charge.
The original accusation being unprovable beyond a reasonable doubt, you seem to essentially want our justice system to actively search for something -- anything -- for him to be guilty of. This implies to me the very feminist ethic that the original poster was decrying. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, if she is a known prostitute like you said then wouldn't that make him guilty of solicitation. |
Not if he neither offered to pay her nor actually did pay her.
In case you missed it though, I also edited the above post to include the penalty for soliciting prostitutes in New York. I don't think whether or not he solicited prostitution is a worthwhile topic to pursue; even if he did, the penalty is so trivial that arguing over it is essentially comparable to arguing over whether or not the guy deserved a speeding ticket. What matters is whether or not he raped her, and I don't see enough evidence to convict him of that beyond a reasonable doubt.
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| The most recent thing I saw was that she gave him oral sex and he refused to pay her, and then he was rough with her, giving her the bruise. In this scenario the assualt would be the crime. |
Certainly another hypothetical possibility, but this is not what he's been charged with, and in order for it to become the charge the maid would have to admit she lied about the rape, which would destroy her credibility in court even further.
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| I learned something else interesting reading another article about this, if the sex is at first consensual it can be a crime if one person performs a deviant act, such as violent sex, with out express permision from the other, at least in New York. |
Interesting, but again, another thing that he's both not being charged with, and would require the maid to admit she lied regarding her original story in order for it to become the charge.
The original accusation being unprovable beyond a reasonable doubt, you seem to essentially want our justice system to actively search for something -- anything -- for him to be guilty of. This implies to me the very feminist ethic that the original poster was decrying. |
Obviously you don't have enough to be sure beyond a reasonable doubt, you aren't one of the lawyers, and haven't seen everything, of course neither am I. The matter of the soliciatation is an issue, and if convicted than it would be a big deal because of who he is. To see one of the most powerful men in the world do a day of community service and attend a class about how not to be sleazy would be great, it would show that justice applies to all. As to whether or not the woman is a prostitute, where is the evidence for that. That seems far from settled. Again I can not conceive of a scenario where he is completely innocent, it doesn't add up. What is most alarming to me is that, at least according to the poll I saw, 49% of French people want him back in politics. Legality aside he is clearly an immoral individual. |
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Juregen
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| Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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Most damning to the case is that she flat-out lied on her asylum application
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Shameful. This woman should have taken her moral guidance from the Korean ESL community, none of whom would ever give anything but a truthful answer to the question "Have you ever taken illegal drugs?" on the immigration form. |
I understand the point you're trying to make, but surely a history of lying under oath both in general and in specific about being raped is relevant when considering whether we should send a man to jail based purely on her accusation of rape? How can anyone seriously be certain beyond a reasonable doubt here? |
The bruising of the vagina, the semen, etc. There was sexual contact, so that goes a long way. At the very least he is guilty of solicitation with a prostitute. It is very clear that he commited some kind of crime, now I suppose all that's left to do is determine to what degree he did wrong. At least this whole incident stopped this clearly depraved and sleazy man from being the president of France. His record is equally questionable as the womans, so it's anyones guess about what actually happened. |
There is a great Moral gap between prostitution (consenting adults ...) and rape (Non-consenting adults)
Why is everyone out to kill this guy, the woman tried to strong arm a settlement, got found out, and there go the initial charges.
Prostitution is not enough to keep the man in the country, he will be able to freely leave the country and get on with his life. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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Most damning to the case is that she flat-out lied on her asylum application
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Shameful. This woman should have taken her moral guidance from the Korean ESL community, none of whom would ever give anything but a truthful answer to the question "Have you ever taken illegal drugs?" on the immigration form. |
I understand the point you're trying to make, but surely a history of lying under oath both in general and in specific about being raped is relevant when considering whether we should send a man to jail based purely on her accusation of rape? How can anyone seriously be certain beyond a reasonable doubt here? |
The bruising of the vagina, the semen, etc. There was sexual contact, so that goes a long way. At the very least he is guilty of solicitation with a prostitute. It is very clear that he commited some kind of crime, now I suppose all that's left to do is determine to what degree he did wrong. At least this whole incident stopped this clearly depraved and sleazy man from being the president of France. His record is equally questionable as the womans, so it's anyones guess about what actually happened. |
There is a great Moral gap between prostitution (consenting adults ...) and rape (Non-consenting adults)
Why is everyone out to kill this guy, the woman tried to strong arm a settlement, got found out, and there go the initial charges.
Prostitution is not enough to keep the man in the country, he will be able to freely leave the country and get on with his life. |
The case is still open. There is still cause for investigation, and the charges could still be brought. The woman has not changed what she said about the actual incident so a guilty verdict is still possible, just unlikely. As for the guy he's disgusting, with a history of sexual misconduct and assualt, so yeah regardless of what happens I do hope that this derails his life as much as possible, at least politically. |
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Friend Lee Ghost
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
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Most damning to the case is that she flat-out lied on her asylum application
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Shameful. This woman should have taken her moral guidance from the Korean ESL community, none of whom would ever give anything but a truthful answer to the question "Have you ever taken illegal drugs?" on the immigration form. |
I understand the point you're trying to make, but surely a history of lying under oath both in general and in specific about being raped is relevant when considering whether we should send a man to jail based purely on her accusation of rape? How can anyone seriously be certain beyond a reasonable doubt here? |
The bruising of the vagina, the semen, etc. There was sexual contact, so that goes a long way. At the very least he is guilty of solicitation with a prostitute. It is very clear that he commited some kind of crime, now I suppose all that's left to do is determine to what degree he did wrong. At least this whole incident stopped this clearly depraved and sleazy man from being the president of France. His record is equally questionable as the womans, so it's anyones guess about what actually happened. |
There is a great Moral gap between prostitution (consenting adults ...) and rape (Non-consenting adults)
Why is everyone out to kill this guy, the woman tried to strong arm a settlement, got found out, and there go the initial charges.
Prostitution is not enough to keep the man in the country, he will be able to freely leave the country and get on with his life. |
The case is still open. There is still cause for investigation, and the charges could still be brought. The woman has not changed what she said about the actual incident so a guilty verdict is still possible, just unlikely. As for the guy he's disgusting, with a history of sexual misconduct and assualt, so yeah regardless of what happens I do hope that this derails his life as much as possible, at least politically. |
Why should his sex life have anything to do with his political life? The French are right on that score.
Anyway, the real reason he was set up is that he had just discovered that US gold supposedly at Fort Knox is all gone! This dovetails nicely with Ron Paul has suspected for a long time and is the reason he has been pushing for an audit of Fort Knox for quite some time now.
Russia Says IMF Chief Jailed For Discovering All US Gold Is Gone
Posted by EU Times on May 31st, 2011
A new report prepared for Prime Minister Putin by the Federal Security Service (FSB) says that former International Monetary Fund (IMF) Chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn was charged and jailed in the US for sex crimes on May 14th after his discovery that all of the gold held in the United States Bullion Depository located at Fort Knox was �missing and/or unaccounted� for.
According to this FSB secret report, Strauss-Kahn had become �increasingly concerned� earlier this month after the United States began �stalling� its pledged delivery to the IMF of 191.3 tons of gold agreed to under the Second Amendment of the Articles of Agreement signed by the Executive Board in April 1978 that were to be sold to fund what are called Special Drawing Rights (SDRs) as an alternative to what are called reserve currencies.
This FSB report further states that upon Strauss-Kahn raising his concerns with American government officials close to President Obama he was �contacted� by �rogue elements� within the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) who provided him �firm evidence� that all of the gold reported to be held by the US �was gone�.
Upon Strauss-Kahn receiving the CIA evidence, this report continues, he made immediate arrangements to leave the US for Paris, but when contacted by agents working for France�s General Directorate for External Security (DGSE) that American authorities were seeking his capture he fled to New York City�s JFK airport following these agents directive not to take his cell-phone because US police could track his exact location... |
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Leon
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Friend Lee Ghost wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Juregen wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
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Most damning to the case is that she flat-out lied on her asylum application
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Shameful. This woman should have taken her moral guidance from the Korean ESL community, none of whom would ever give anything but a truthful answer to the question "Have you ever taken illegal drugs?" on the immigration form. |
I understand the point you're trying to make, but surely a history of lying under oath both in general and in specific about being raped is relevant when considering whether we should send a man to jail based purely on her accusation of rape? How can anyone seriously be certain beyond a reasonable doubt here? |
The bruising of the vagina, the semen, etc. There was sexual contact, so that goes a long way. At the very least he is guilty of solicitation with a prostitute. It is very clear that he commited some kind of crime, now I suppose all that's left to do is determine to what degree he did wrong. At least this whole incident stopped this clearly depraved and sleazy man from being the president of France. His record is equally questionable as the womans, so it's anyones guess about what actually happened. |
There is a great Moral gap between prostitution (consenting adults ...) and rape (Non-consenting adults)
Why is everyone out to kill this guy, the woman tried to strong arm a settlement, got found out, and there go the initial charges.
Prostitution is not enough to keep the man in the country, he will be able to freely leave the country and get on with his life. |
The case is still open. There is still cause for investigation, and the charges could still be brought. The woman has not changed what she said about the actual incident so a guilty verdict is still possible, just unlikely. As for the guy he's disgusting, with a history of sexual misconduct and assualt, so yeah regardless of what happens I do hope that this derails his life as much as possible, at least politically. |
Why should his sex life have anything to do with his political life? The French are right on that score.
Anyway, the real reason he was set up is that he had just discovered that US gold supposedly at Fort Knox is all gone! This dovetails nicely with Ron Paul has suspected for a long time and is the reason he has been pushing for an audit of Fort Knox for quite some time now.
Russia Says IMF Chief Jailed For Discovering All US Gold Is Gone
Posted by EU Times on May 31st, 2011
A new report prepared for Prime Minister Putin by the Federal Security Service (FSB) says that former International Monetary Fund (IMF) Chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn was charged and jailed in the US for sex crimes on May 14th after his discovery that all of the gold held in the United States Bullion Depository located at Fort Knox was �missing and/or unaccounted� for.
According to this FSB secret report, Strauss-Kahn had become �increasingly concerned� earlier this month after the United States began �stalling� its pledged delivery to the IMF of 191.3 tons of gold agreed to under the Second Amendment of the Articles of Agreement signed by the Executive Board in April 1978 that were to be sold to fund what are called Special Drawing Rights (SDRs) as an alternative to what are called reserve currencies.
This FSB report further states that upon Strauss-Kahn raising his concerns with American government officials close to President Obama he was �contacted� by �rogue elements� within the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) who provided him �firm evidence� that all of the gold reported to be held by the US �was gone�.
Upon Strauss-Kahn receiving the CIA evidence, this report continues, he made immediate arrangements to leave the US for Paris, but when contacted by agents working for France�s General Directorate for External Security (DGSE) that American authorities were seeking his capture he fled to New York City�s JFK airport following these agents directive not to take his cell-phone because US police could track his exact location... |
Well, that is also in regard to his politics. As in his policies are bad, so I'm glad he's out of the game. When your sexual life is rife with irresponsibilty, including more than one accusation of assult, then yeah it becomes an issue. It's an embarrasment to the state. Also loyalty is important to the presidency, if a guy can't be loyal to any of his three wifes, then how can he be loyal to anything. Also his behaviour demonstrates a low regard for woman, so how can he be trusted to look out for their best interest. Lastly it's a matter of class and dignity, as in if you are a world leader you have to be a diplomat and reach out to various interests effectively, which is a lot harder to do if lots of people find you to be offensive. Your second part of the post is just dumb. Not everything is about libertarian fantasy. |
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Juregen
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Well, that is also in regard to his politics. As in his policies are bad, so I'm glad he's out of the game. When your sexual life is rife with irresponsibilty, including more than one accusation of assult, then yeah it becomes an issue. It's an embarrasment to the state. Also loyalty is important to the presidency, if a guy can't be loyal to any of his three wifes, then how can he be loyal to anything. Also his behaviour demonstrates a low regard for woman, so how can he be trusted to look out for their best interest. Lastly it's a matter of class and dignity, as in if you are a world leader you have to be a diplomat and reach out to various interests effectively, which is a lot harder to do if lots of people find you to be offensive. Your second part of the post is just dumb. Not everything is about libertarian fantasy. |
We all have our own pursuit, it seems that yours is a feeling of righteousness on how one person should behave in the bedroom.....
His bedroom manners have NOTHING to do with your life, and therefore private information. We know that prostitution is illegal, but it seems that the woman herself tried to convince Khan to give him some stress relief, and only asked money after the fact. To which she then tried to strong arm him into a settlement ..... which is nothing more then legally pursued blackmail.
His private life is not for you to discuss, discern or dismiss, that is why we call it private. It should also not be of a concern for his job. Or do you want your boss to question you about your sex life to see whether you are fit for the job?
It is obvious you are not fully aware of the consequences when we follow your line of thought. |
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Leon
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:03 am Post subject: |
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Well, that is also in regard to his politics. As in his policies are bad, so I'm glad he's out of the game. When your sexual life is rife with irresponsibilty, including more than one accusation of assult, then yeah it becomes an issue. It's an embarrasment to the state. Also loyalty is important to the presidency, if a guy can't be loyal to any of his three wifes, then how can he be loyal to anything. Also his behaviour demonstrates a low regard for woman, so how can he be trusted to look out for their best interest. Lastly it's a matter of class and dignity, as in if you are a world leader you have to be a diplomat and reach out to various interests effectively, which is a lot harder to do if lots of people find you to be offensive. Your second part of the post is just dumb. Not everything is about libertarian fantasy. |
We all have our own pursuit, it seems that yours is a feeling of righteousness on how one person should behave in the bedroom.....
His bedroom manners have NOTHING to do with your life, and therefore private information. We know that prostitution is illegal, but it seems that the woman herself tried to convince Khan to give him some stress relief, and only asked money after the fact. To which she then tried to strong arm him into a settlement ..... which is nothing more then legally pursued blackmail.
His private life is not for you to discuss, discern or dismiss, that is why we call it private. It should also not be of a concern for his job. Or do you want your boss to question you about your sex life to see whether you are fit for the job?
It is obvious you are not fully aware of the consequences when we follow your line of thought. |
Really? This is a guy with a long history of sexual misconduct, including more than one accusation of rape. That hooker account is his account which is not really any more trust worthy than the woman's, given his history. Your view is simple minded at best. My job and his job are very very different. This is the guy next in line to be President of one of the most important countries in the world, higher standards do apply. This is a man who has to take care of issues that face woman, and he is a known womanizer who has been accused of misconduct with woman several times. Again loyalty and trustworthiness is an important quality when you are running to be President of a country, or running a vastly important organization that affects the lives of millions. If your own wife can't trust you then why should anyone else. Your line of thought is naive and simple at best. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:16 am Post subject: |
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His private life is not for you to discuss, discern or dismiss, that is why we call it private. It should also not be of a concern for his job. Or do you want your boss to question you about your sex life to see whether you are fit for the job? |
There's nothing wrong with demanding national leaders who, in addition to whatever policy positions they might hold, also possess excellence of character. |
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Juregen
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Well, that is also in regard to his politics. As in his policies are bad, so I'm glad he's out of the game. When your sexual life is rife with irresponsibilty, including more than one accusation of assult, then yeah it becomes an issue. It's an embarrasment to the state. Also loyalty is important to the presidency, if a guy can't be loyal to any of his three wifes, then how can he be loyal to anything. Also his behaviour demonstrates a low regard for woman, so how can he be trusted to look out for their best interest. Lastly it's a matter of class and dignity, as in if you are a world leader you have to be a diplomat and reach out to various interests effectively, which is a lot harder to do if lots of people find you to be offensive. Your second part of the post is just dumb. Not everything is about libertarian fantasy. |
We all have our own pursuit, it seems that yours is a feeling of righteousness on how one person should behave in the bedroom.....
His bedroom manners have NOTHING to do with your life, and therefore private information. We know that prostitution is illegal, but it seems that the woman herself tried to convince Khan to give him some stress relief, and only asked money after the fact. To which she then tried to strong arm him into a settlement ..... which is nothing more then legally pursued blackmail.
His private life is not for you to discuss, discern or dismiss, that is why we call it private. It should also not be of a concern for his job. Or do you want your boss to question you about your sex life to see whether you are fit for the job?
It is obvious you are not fully aware of the consequences when we follow your line of thought. |
Really? This is a guy with a long history of sexual misconduct, including more than one accusation of rape. That hooker account is his account which is not really any more trust worthy than the woman's, given his history. Your view is simple minded at best. My job and his job are very very different. This is the guy next in line to be President of one of the most important countries in the world, higher standards do apply. This is a man who has to take care of issues that face woman, and he is a known womanizer who has been accused of misconduct with woman several times. Again loyalty and trustworthiness is an important quality when you are running to be President of a country, or running a vastly important organization that affects the lives of millions. If your own wife can't trust you then why should anyone else. Your line of thought is naive and simple at best. |
I am more curious about the sexual orientation of the teacher, than the politician running the country. What's got sex to do with running a country.... I guess you are not from Europe.
Try insulting someone else, probably before you prove yourself to be what you claim others are.
You are sitting on a very high horse, with very little realism in your blood. |
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Juregen
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His private life is not for you to discuss, discern or dismiss, that is why we call it private. It should also not be of a concern for his job. Or do you want your boss to question you about your sex life to see whether you are fit for the job? |
There's nothing wrong with demanding national leaders who, in addition to whatever policy positions they might hold, also possess excellence of character. |
Hahahahahah. You are so funny.
Excellence of character means you can't have intercourse with other people? Is that what it means. Or does it mean that people should only have intercourse within a marriage? Who is to decide what "Excellence of Character" really means. What you are selling is nothing more than an empty Ethos. "Do as I say, but don't do what I do" and all that jazz...
I am really sorry, but political leaders are human beings with weaknesses and strengths like any other. Men in power attract more women, then men without power. Probably you are just showing jealousy over the fact he actually slept/sleeps with many woman, and that his wife doesn't mind ....
Accusations can fly left and right, but one is not guilty until proven beyond a doubt, and your little ideas about how a man should behave in a modern world we live in today, are far from reality. You have no say how a man (or woman for that fact) spends his time in the bedroom. Consenting adults and all that .....
Stop being such an righteous *beep* and start giving people the benefit of the doubt, or do you believe everything your mommy told you? |
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Leon
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Well, that is also in regard to his politics. As in his policies are bad, so I'm glad he's out of the game. When your sexual life is rife with irresponsibilty, including more than one accusation of assult, then yeah it becomes an issue. It's an embarrasment to the state. Also loyalty is important to the presidency, if a guy can't be loyal to any of his three wifes, then how can he be loyal to anything. Also his behaviour demonstrates a low regard for woman, so how can he be trusted to look out for their best interest. Lastly it's a matter of class and dignity, as in if you are a world leader you have to be a diplomat and reach out to various interests effectively, which is a lot harder to do if lots of people find you to be offensive. Your second part of the post is just dumb. Not everything is about libertarian fantasy. |
We all have our own pursuit, it seems that yours is a feeling of righteousness on how one person should behave in the bedroom.....
His bedroom manners have NOTHING to do with your life, and therefore private information. We know that prostitution is illegal, but it seems that the woman herself tried to convince Khan to give him some stress relief, and only asked money after the fact. To which she then tried to strong arm him into a settlement ..... which is nothing more then legally pursued blackmail.
His private life is not for you to discuss, discern or dismiss, that is why we call it private. It should also not be of a concern for his job. Or do you want your boss to question you about your sex life to see whether you are fit for the job?
It is obvious you are not fully aware of the consequences when we follow your line of thought. |
Really? This is a guy with a long history of sexual misconduct, including more than one accusation of rape. That hooker account is his account which is not really any more trust worthy than the woman's, given his history. Your view is simple minded at best. My job and his job are very very different. This is the guy next in line to be President of one of the most important countries in the world, higher standards do apply. This is a man who has to take care of issues that face woman, and he is a known womanizer who has been accused of misconduct with woman several times. Again loyalty and trustworthiness is an important quality when you are running to be President of a country, or running a vastly important organization that affects the lives of millions. If your own wife can't trust you then why should anyone else. Your line of thought is naive and simple at best. |
I am more curious about the sexual orientation of the teacher, than the politician running the country. What's got sex to do with running a country.... I guess you are not from Europe.
Try insulting someone else, probably before you prove yourself to be what you claim others are.
You are sitting on a very high horse, with very little realism in your blood. |
If I did what he did, as a teacher, I would be fired. If he did what he did years earlier as a member of the staff of the IMF instead of on the board, he would have been fired. BTW, if you aren't keeping up, he sent unwanted and harrasing emails to a married person under him. It's not the sex so much as the harrasment and lack of judgement. Does a national leader need good judgement and tact? Obviously. Does a man who keeps getting involved in scandals display these traits? He also had earlier corruption and financial scandals in 1999. If his wife can't trust him, then why should an entire nation? It's not like it's about the sex. Get your blood checked, I doubt you have much in the way of realism there. |
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