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How do you know you are getting a "good" ps school
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mararowan



Joined: 29 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:21 pm    Post subject: How do you know you are getting a "good" ps school Reply with quote

Everyone says wait until you get a "good" job but how do you know what you are getting until you are there. Is talking to the previous teacher the only way? Thanks
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Gorf



Joined: 25 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's only for hagwons. All PS is a gamble, plain and simple.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Public School jobs change yearly as co-teachers and principals get moved around.

There's no way to tell for sure.

Good Luck.
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only guarantee you have at a public school is that you are more likely to be paid than in a hogwan. Other than that, just about anything goes. Public schools can screw around with your: move-in money, overtime, flight tickets, re-signing bonus, apartment, and you never know with the actual workplace situation. This goes for GEPIK, EPIK, SMOE, and all public school programs. Sorry.
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brento1138



Joined: 17 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojusucks wrote:
The only guarantee you have at a public school is that you are more likely to be paid than in a hogwan. Other than that, just about anything goes. Public schools can screw around with your: move-in money, overtime, flight tickets, re-signing bonus, apartment, and you never know with the actual workplace situation. This goes for GEPIK, EPIK, SMOE, and all public school programs. Sorry.


Really? From what I heard, if a public school maliciously screwed around with you for no reason, there's lots that can be done about it. The only reason I think a teacher would get screwed is because they've done something wrong and got fired.
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rainism



Joined: 13 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

too many variables, as others have mentioned.

if the p, vp and your coteachers stay the same and the previous NET was happy with them and if the Koreans like you in the same vein they liked the previous NET, then your odds are good the school will also be "good" for you.

the longer you stay, the more things may change, as Korean people around you rotate to and from different schools. However, the longer you stay, the more cachet you may carry with the holdovers so you're less likely to be negatively affected.
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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brento1138 wrote:
sojusucks wrote:
The only guarantee you have at a public school is that you are more likely to be paid than in a hogwan. Other than that, just about anything goes. Public schools can screw around with your: move-in money, overtime, flight tickets, re-signing bonus, apartment, and you never know with the actual workplace situation. This goes for GEPIK, EPIK, SMOE, and all public school programs. Sorry.


Really? From what I heard, if a public school maliciously screwed around with you for no reason, there's lots that can be done about it. The only reason I think a teacher would get screwed is because they've done something wrong and got fired.


It depends on your POE and how sympathetic they are. You have no fear of being fired unless you did something really wrong. But they can pressure you to quit on your own, if they make things bad enough.
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd go a step further than other posters, and ask the OP- what is your definition of 'good'?

Super smart students i.e. lived in other countries for a yr +?
A principal that wants to give unlimited resources to the English program?
Lots of opportunity for overtime?
Lots of time off?

I have a friend in an affluent neighborhood but she works her butt off. What's more, she is pretty much doing everything alone because her co-T refuses to help. On the surface though, her job is 'good'.

Contrast that with a guy I know in a poor neighborhood. He gets random days off and gets to go home early, contributes little but the staff like him because he knows how to 'play the game'.

Every job has its ups and downs. In public school, just like in hagwons- things change at the drop of a hat.
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tophatcat



Joined: 09 Aug 2006
Location: under the hat

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brento1138 wrote:
sojusucks wrote:
The only guarantee you have at a public school is that you are more likely to be paid than in a hogwan. Other than that, just about anything goes. Public schools can screw around with your: move-in money, overtime, flight tickets, re-signing bonus, apartment, and you never know with the actual workplace situation. This goes for GEPIK, EPIK, SMOE, and all public school programs. Sorry.


Really? From what I heard, if a public school maliciously screwed around with you for no reason, there's lots that can be done about it. The only reason I think a teacher would get screwed is because they've done something wrong and got fired.


Wrong! I worked at a public school and had problems getting move-in money, overtime, regular pay, and the 2 sick days that I took. I once worked for a shady hogwon and even it was better than the public school.
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just roll the dice.

if you crap out, roll again. Razz
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rainism



Joined: 13 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThingsComeAround wrote:
I'd go a step further than other posters, and ask the OP- what is your definition of 'good'?

Super smart students i.e. lived in other countries for a yr +?
A principal that wants to give unlimited resources to the English program?
Lots of opportunity for overtime?
Lots of time off?

I have a friend in an affluent neighborhood but she works her butt off. What's more, she is pretty much doing everything alone because her co-T refuses to help. On the surface though, her job is 'good'.

Contrast that with a guy I know in a poor neighborhood. He gets random days off and gets to go home early, contributes little but the staff like him because he knows how to 'play the game'.

Every job has its ups and downs. In public school, just like in hagwons- things change at the drop of a hat.


votes for above as best answer
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cincynate



Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: Jeju-do, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I first worked for a public school. My co-teacher hated me because we taught along side each other for every class (we had the exact same schedule), and the principal wanted me to run the class, because I was the native speaker. Your co-teacher is the person who handles everything for you. She really made my life miserable. On top of that, I had problems with Pay.
I have worked for two hakwons now, and couldn't have had better experiences. I never have to desk warm, am in charge of my classes, and if there is ever a problem, I can go directly to the director. No 500 layers of bullshit korean bureaucracy to go through.
I think ps are worse than hakwons. There have just been some real horror stories of some really shady hakwons (but in my experience, they are far and few between). But those few experiences scare people into thinking that PS is better, because I agree some of these things would never happen at a ps
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rainism



Joined: 13 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cincynate wrote:
I first worked for a public school. My co-teacher hated me because we taught along side each other for every class (we had the exact same schedule), and the principal wanted me to run the class, because I was the native speaker. Your co-teacher is the person who handles everything for you. She really made my life miserable. On top of that, I had problems with Pay.
I have worked for two hakwons now, and couldn't have had better experiences. I never have to desk warm, am in charge of my classes, and if there is ever a problem, I can go directly to the director. No 500 layers of bullshit korean bureaucracy to go through.
I think ps are worse than hakwons. There have just been some real horror stories of some really shady hakwons (but in my experience, they are far and few between). But those few experiences scare people into thinking that PS is better, because I agree some of these things would never happen at a ps


your ps experience... be that as it may
would still be the exception, rather than the rule. It's fairly rare to have payment problems at a PS for e.g.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to mention a "good" school can turn sour rather quickly if their NET doesnt appear to be making a reasonable effort.
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mararowan



Joined: 29 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it possible to talk to previous net or is that only in a hagwon?
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