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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Any update on Win education/ Ed Up? I have got an interview with them today, anything I should mention or specify? |
Ask them if what do they love the most about foreigners.
or maybe "why aren't you married?".
Then you can decide wether or not you want tow rok for them based on their initial responses. |
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Bruce W Sims
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Illinois; USA
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:15 am Post subject: |
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OK.... I really need to step in and say something because I think this touches on a point a lot of job-seekers are running into; that is, contradictions in information.
In the earlier post a person warned that there might be problems with severance pay. Another person came on and said that the person before them had no problem and they themselves had no problem. This seemed followed-up with a dire warning about something that might happen in some other aspect of the teacher-institution relationship.
Excuse me for saying so, but when do these situations ever get viewed in something other than a negative light? All I am hearing is a lot of free-floating anxiety and suggestions of impending doom. Its one thing to discuss a current situation that needs to be resolved; well and good. But this constant seeking to wrap a grey cloud around every silver lining gets a bit old after a while.
Question: Is there any possibility, any possibility at all that some small part of many of these problems have as much to do with the communications skills of the teacher as well as the school. Any at all?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
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frankhenry
Joined: 13 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
OK.... I really need to step in and say something because I think this touches on a point a lot of job-seekers are running into; that is, contradictions in information.
In the earlier post a person warned that there might be problems with severance pay. Another person came on and said that the person before them had no problem and they themselves had no problem. This seemed followed-up with a dire warning about something that might happen in some other aspect of the teacher-institution relationship.
Excuse me for saying so, but when do these situations ever get viewed in something other than a negative light? All I am hearing is a lot of free-floating anxiety and suggestions of impending doom. Its one thing to discuss a current situation that needs to be resolved; well and good. But this constant seeking to wrap a grey cloud around every silver lining gets a bit old after a while.
Question: Is there any possibility, any possibility at all that some small part of many of these problems have as much to do with the communications skills of the teacher as well as the school. Any at all?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
Have you ever worked in Korea? |
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Bruce W Sims
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Illinois; USA
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
OK.... I really need to step in and say something because I think this touches on a point a lot of job-seekers are running into; that is, contradictions in information.
In the earlier post a person warned that there might be problems with severance pay. Another person came on and said that the person before them had no problem and they themselves had no problem. This seemed followed-up with a dire warning about something that might happen in some other aspect of the teacher-institution relationship.
Excuse me for saying so, but when do these situations ever get viewed in something other than a negative light? All I am hearing is a lot of free-floating anxiety and suggestions of impending doom. Its one thing to discuss a current situation that needs to be resolved; well and good. But this constant seeking to wrap a grey cloud around every silver lining gets a bit old after a while.
Question: Is there any possibility, any possibility at all that some small part of many of these problems have as much to do with the communications skills of the teacher as well as the school. Any at all?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
Have you ever worked in Korea? |
No. Does that make a difference?
And if I HAD worked in Korea, would your next question be, "for how long".
And if I stated that it had been a goodly number of years, wouldn't your next question be, "but have you worked in this precise location?"
IOW, aren't you just looking to justify your antagonism?
Well, let me ask YOU a question. What is the deal with the on-going amount of antagonism I hear in one post after another?
Is Korea really that bad a place to work?
Are the Koreans really such bad employers?
If its really as bad as people are suggesting, what may I ask are you doing there?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
OK.... I really need to step in and say something because I think this touches on a point a lot of job-seekers are running into; that is, contradictions in information.
In the earlier post a person warned that there might be problems with severance pay. Another person came on and said that the person before them had no problem and they themselves had no problem. This seemed followed-up with a dire warning about something that might happen in some other aspect of the teacher-institution relationship.
Excuse me for saying so, but when do these situations ever get viewed in something other than a negative light? All I am hearing is a lot of free-floating anxiety and suggestions of impending doom. Its one thing to discuss a current situation that needs to be resolved; well and good. But this constant seeking to wrap a grey cloud around every silver lining gets a bit old after a while.
Question: Is there any possibility, any possibility at all that some small part of many of these problems have as much to do with the communications skills of the teacher as well as the school. Any at all?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
No. They cheat people. Some people take it up the you know what or they have better situation/schools than others or whatever. The most important thing to note, which it seems you can't grasp, is that they'll screw you if they can.
Why take the chance? |
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
| frankhenry wrote: |
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
OK.... I really need to step in and say something because I think this touches on a point a lot of job-seekers are running into; that is, contradictions in information.
In the earlier post a person warned that there might be problems with severance pay. Another person came on and said that the person before them had no problem and they themselves had no problem. This seemed followed-up with a dire warning about something that might happen in some other aspect of the teacher-institution relationship.
Excuse me for saying so, but when do these situations ever get viewed in something other than a negative light? All I am hearing is a lot of free-floating anxiety and suggestions of impending doom. Its one thing to discuss a current situation that needs to be resolved; well and good. But this constant seeking to wrap a grey cloud around every silver lining gets a bit old after a while.
Question: Is there any possibility, any possibility at all that some small part of many of these problems have as much to do with the communications skills of the teacher as well as the school. Any at all?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
Have you ever worked in Korea? |
No. Does that make a difference?
And if I HAD worked in Korea, would your next question be, "for how long".
And if I stated that it had been a goodly number of years, wouldn't your next question be, "but have you worked in this precise location?"
IOW, aren't you just looking to justify your antagonism?
Well, let me ask YOU a question. What is the deal with the on-going amount of antagonism I hear in one post after another?
Is Korea really that bad a place to work?
Are the Koreans really such bad employers?
If its really as bad as people are suggesting, what may I ask are you doing there?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
Why don't you find out for yourself? Give Win Education a call. |
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Bruce W Sims
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Illinois; USA
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| WadRUG'naDoo wrote: |
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
OK.... I really need to step in and say something because I think this touches on a point a lot of job-seekers are running into; that is, contradictions in information.
In the earlier post a person warned that there might be problems with severance pay. Another person came on and said that the person before them had no problem and they themselves had no problem. This seemed followed-up with a dire warning about something that might happen in some other aspect of the teacher-institution relationship.
Excuse me for saying so, but when do these situations ever get viewed in something other than a negative light? All I am hearing is a lot of free-floating anxiety and suggestions of impending doom. Its one thing to discuss a current situation that needs to be resolved; well and good. But this constant seeking to wrap a grey cloud around every silver lining gets a bit old after a while.
Question: Is there any possibility, any possibility at all that some small part of many of these problems have as much to do with the communications skills of the teacher as well as the school. Any at all?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
No. They cheat people. Some people take it up the you know what or they have better situation/schools than others or whatever. The most important thing to note, which it seems you can't grasp, is that they'll screw you if they can.
Why take the chance? |
But thats not what I'm hearing. I'm hearing that SOME people "screw people"---some times. What I am noticing is that people jump on the "screw jobs" and discount the fact that this is not happening to everybody all of the time. Hence the question: Why all of the antagonism?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
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frankhenry
Joined: 13 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
| frankhenry wrote: |
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
OK.... I really need to step in and say something because I think this touches on a point a lot of job-seekers are running into; that is, contradictions in information.
In the earlier post a person warned that there might be problems with severance pay. Another person came on and said that the person before them had no problem and they themselves had no problem. This seemed followed-up with a dire warning about something that might happen in some other aspect of the teacher-institution relationship.
Excuse me for saying so, but when do these situations ever get viewed in something other than a negative light? All I am hearing is a lot of free-floating anxiety and suggestions of impending doom. Its one thing to discuss a current situation that needs to be resolved; well and good. But this constant seeking to wrap a grey cloud around every silver lining gets a bit old after a while.
Question: Is there any possibility, any possibility at all that some small part of many of these problems have as much to do with the communications skills of the teacher as well as the school. Any at all?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
Have you ever worked in Korea? |
No. Does that make a difference?
And if I HAD worked in Korea, would your next question be, "for how long".
And if I stated that it had been a goodly number of years, wouldn't your next question be, "but have you worked in this precise location?"
IOW, aren't you just looking to justify your antagonism?
Well, let me ask YOU a question. What is the deal with the on-going amount of antagonism I hear in one post after another?
Is Korea really that bad a place to work?
Are the Koreans really such bad employers?
If its really as bad as people are suggesting, what may I ask are you doing there?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
Yes, it does make a difference. It's clear that you don't have a clue.
I'm not trying to justify my antagonism. I'm perfectly content.
What am I doing here? This is where I live and work, and most likely where my wife and I will retire and live the rest of our lives due to the fact she would like to stay near her family.
Korea can be that bad of a place to work. On the other hand, it can be a great place to work. |
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frankhenry
Joined: 13 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| WadRUG'naDoo wrote: |
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
| frankhenry wrote: |
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
OK.... I really need to step in and say something because I think this touches on a point a lot of job-seekers are running into; that is, contradictions in information.
In the earlier post a person warned that there might be problems with severance pay. Another person came on and said that the person before them had no problem and they themselves had no problem. This seemed followed-up with a dire warning about something that might happen in some other aspect of the teacher-institution relationship.
Excuse me for saying so, but when do these situations ever get viewed in something other than a negative light? All I am hearing is a lot of free-floating anxiety and suggestions of impending doom. Its one thing to discuss a current situation that needs to be resolved; well and good. But this constant seeking to wrap a grey cloud around every silver lining gets a bit old after a while.
Question: Is there any possibility, any possibility at all that some small part of many of these problems have as much to do with the communications skills of the teacher as well as the school. Any at all?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
Have you ever worked in Korea? |
No. Does that make a difference?
And if I HAD worked in Korea, would your next question be, "for how long".
And if I stated that it had been a goodly number of years, wouldn't your next question be, "but have you worked in this precise location?"
IOW, aren't you just looking to justify your antagonism?
Well, let me ask YOU a question. What is the deal with the on-going amount of antagonism I hear in one post after another?
Is Korea really that bad a place to work?
Are the Koreans really such bad employers?
If its really as bad as people are suggesting, what may I ask are you doing there?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
Why don't you find out for yourself? Give Win Education a call. |
Yeeaaa, Bruce...
give Win Education a shoot...
Let us know how things are in 6-7 months. |
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
| WadRUG'naDoo wrote: |
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
OK.... I really need to step in and say something because I think this touches on a point a lot of job-seekers are running into; that is, contradictions in information.
In the earlier post a person warned that there might be problems with severance pay. Another person came on and said that the person before them had no problem and they themselves had no problem. This seemed followed-up with a dire warning about something that might happen in some other aspect of the teacher-institution relationship.
Excuse me for saying so, but when do these situations ever get viewed in something other than a negative light? All I am hearing is a lot of free-floating anxiety and suggestions of impending doom. Its one thing to discuss a current situation that needs to be resolved; well and good. But this constant seeking to wrap a grey cloud around every silver lining gets a bit old after a while.
Question: Is there any possibility, any possibility at all that some small part of many of these problems have as much to do with the communications skills of the teacher as well as the school. Any at all?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
No. They cheat people. Some people take it up the you know what or they have better situation/schools than others or whatever. The most important thing to note, which it seems you can't grasp, is that they'll screw you if they can.
Why take the chance? |
But thats not what I'm hearing. I'm hearing that SOME people "screw people"---some times. What I am noticing is that people jump on the "screw jobs" and discount the fact that this is not happening to everybody all of the time. Hence the question: Why all of the antagonism?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
I don't know, man. It's a big mystery that keeps me up at nights. |
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Bruce W Sims
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Illinois; USA
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:31 am Post subject: |
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Yes, it does make a difference. It's clear that you don't have a clue.
I'm not trying to justify my antagonism. I'm perfectly content.
What am I doing here? This is where I live and work, and most likely where my wife and I will retire and live the rest of our lives due to the fact she would like to stay near her family.
Korea can be that bad of a place to work. On the other hand, it can be a great place to work. |
I keep hearing that "don't have a clue....don't have a clue.." as though there is some great secret to be had that once identified justifies all of the bad behavior and crappy attitudes.
Excuse me, but what do you think; that there is something particular about Korea that makes it the "black hole" of Human Reasoning and Civility? Are you of a mind that there are no bad schools, bad teachers, bad programs, overwork, under-appreciations anywhere else in the World? Am I to understand I can teach for over 20 years, but there is some special nature in Korean schools that negates all of that?
Want to talk about not having a "clue"? I wonder if you folks "have a clue" as to just how negative and antagonistic you sound in thread after thread after thread?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
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frankhenry
Joined: 13 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
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Yes, it does make a difference. It's clear that you don't have a clue.
I'm not trying to justify my antagonism. I'm perfectly content.
What am I doing here? This is where I live and work, and most likely where my wife and I will retire and live the rest of our lives due to the fact she would like to stay near her family.
Korea can be that bad of a place to work. On the other hand, it can be a great place to work. |
I keep hearing that "don't have a clue....don't have a clue.." as though there is some great secret to be had that once identified justifies all of the bad behavior and crappy attitudes.
Excuse me, but what do you think; that there is something particular about Korea that makes it the "black hole" of Human Reasoning and Civility? Are you of a mind that there are no bad schools, bad teachers, bad programs, overwork, under-appreciations anywhere else in the World? Am I to understand I can teach for over 20 years, but there is some special nature in Korean schools that negates all of that?
Want to talk about not having a "clue"? I wonder if you folks "have a clue" as to just how negative and antagonistic you sound in thread after thread after thread?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
Your over 20 years of teaching doesn't impress me. I've been teaching almost 20 years, myself. 6 in USA. 3 in Europe. 10 in Korea.
Come on over, Bub  |
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Nester Noodlemon
Joined: 16 Jan 2009
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| Bruce sounds like some 19 year old, university student who just finished a freshman psychology course and now wants to intrigue everyone with his new-found knowledge. However, everyone realizes he blowing smoke out of his fuuuurt |
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Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida
Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Location: Not Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
I'm a bit too old to spend time working to impress people. What I would like to do is point out that you folks may not have an appreciation of how you are coming across on an international stage. I have only been communicating here for about 90 days and its pretty apparent to me that there are contributors here who have soured on what they are doing.
I would tell you the same thing I would tell any other teacher I've counseled. If you are this angry and suspicious of the environment you are working in, its probably time to cash-in your chips.
Regards. |
That's some prime trolling |
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Bruce W Sims
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Illinois; USA
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Because the economy is sooooooooooooo good that we can just up and leave. Good one.
Pfft. We know your agenda. Your'e just hypocritically stiring up an Internet forum.
Carry on or whatever... |
Okey-dokey, then. People feel trapped and powerless. Not the first time I've heard someone share that. Its just life. Its still no reason to bang on the culture because you happen to be in a bad place. Maybe it would help a bit to work towards connecting with that culture a bit more deeply. Ok....so you happen to be trapped and don't have an out. How about working to turn things around? Instead of resisting working more, maybe some volunteering for something might make points. In my own case I've been known to repaint a classroom and mop my own floors.
I guess what I'm saying is that you can either sit and damn the darkness.... or you can go out and buy a candle and a pack of matches. FWIW.
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
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