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Friend Lee Ghost
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| ^ I really could care less about DSK and some hooker. But if all or most of the gold at Fort Knox is missing, as Ron Paul has been hinting at for decades, that is a pretty serious charge that needs to be looked into. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Friend Lee Ghost wrote: |
| ^ I really could care less about DSK and some hooker. But if all or most of the gold at Fort Knox is missing, as Ron Paul has been hinting at for decades, that is a pretty serious charge that needs to be looked into. |
Then why not post your libertarian fantasy in one of the libertarian threads? |
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wintermute
Joined: 01 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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So what are you saying? That because something is impossible for you to imagine, it is impossible?
It's true you shouldn't believe everything you hear. But not for stupid reasons like that! |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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So what are you saying? |
I think it's pretty clear what I'm saying: that this constant barrage of conspiracy theories predicated on a paradoxical scenario of ultra-competent masterminds capable of smuggling huge amounts of gold out of Fort Knox and regularly arranging for fraudulent audits every year while simultaneously being incompetents so inept that they not only get found out by chumps on the internet but can't even successfully frame a man who they evidently fear could reveal their secret is stupid, and that people who believe it are being irrational.
Clear enough, Scooby Doo? |
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wintermute
Joined: 01 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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So what are you saying? That because something is impossible for you to imagine, it is impossible? (unsnipped by author for continuity)
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I think it's pretty clear what I'm saying: that this constant barrage of conspiracy theories predicated on a paradoxical scenario of ultra-competent masterminds capable of smuggling huge amounts of gold out of Fort Knox and regularly arranging for fraudulent audits every year while simultaneously being incompetents so inept that they not only get found out by chumps on the internet but can't even successfully frame a man who they evidently fear could reveal their secret is stupid, and that people who believe it are being irrational.
Clear enough, Scooby Doo? |
Thank you for taking pains to expound on what was already quite clear - that you are actually saying nothing, but rather conducting an imaginative exercise where, in response to an article making specific allegations, you imagine
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| a paradoxical scenario of ultra-competent masterminds capable of smuggling huge amounts of gold out of Fort Knox and regularly arranging for fraudulent audits every year while simultaneously being incompetents so inept that they not only get found out by chumps on the internet but can't even successfully frame a man who they evidently fear could reveal their secret |
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Where did that come from, and what does it have to do with the article? "Your head" and "nothing" spring to my mind.
If you were trying to actually make some kind of logical point, then it was more of a failure-of-imagination exercise. If you were merely indulging in a pointless flight of fancy then don't let me stop you. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Where did that come from, and what does it have to do with the article? |
I suggest you read the article again, then read what bacasper wrote again, then read what I wrote again. If you still can't see the connection, nothing further which I can say can help. So long as you choose to use mental deficiency (feigned or otherwise) as your armor, no weapon of mine has even the slightest chance of finding purchase. |
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wintermute
Joined: 01 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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| Where did that come from, and what does it have to do with the article? |
I suggest you read the article again, then read what bacasper wrote again, then read what I wrote again. If you still can't see the connection, nothing further which I can say can help. So long as you choose to use mental deficiency (feigned or otherwise) as your armor, no weapon of mine has even the slightest chance of finding purchase. |
If this gem of an argument:
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So you're seriously suggesting that a mysterious cabal of bankocrats competent and capable enough to arrange for the removal of all gold from Fort Knox and its replacement with fraudulent tungsten is also so completely inept and incompetent that after they were found out by this Strauss-Kahn fellow, their response was to frame him so incompetently that "Prosecutors are poised to drop all sex assault charges against former IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn in the coming weeks due to doubts about his accuser's credibility?" |
is your "weapon", then don't blame me if it is too impotent to find purchase. It's a weak argument, which I see quite often, usually accompanied with an air of smugness. I'm not surpised you made it, since you apparently allow emotion to rule over logic when discussing certain topics. I am surprised you dug in to defend it, though.
EDIT - add: If I put you on the defensive but using the word stupid, I apologize, but obviously, that refers to the argument itself, which is a stupid argument.
I can detail why later, if you like, but I have to run for now. Just to be clear, are what you said, and what you meant to say still pretty much the same, because if not... enlighten me, or we are both wasting time. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I can detail why later, if you like, but I have to run for now. Just to be clear, are what you said, and what you meant to say still pretty much the same, because if not... enlighten me, or we are both wasting time. |
*Yawn* to the righteous indignation. Do you have a scintilla of evidence in support of this theory? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I can detail why later, if you like ... |
I emphatically would not like it. How clear do I have to be? If you believe the ridiculous accusations in the article, I've all ready said exactly what I think about your position. And if you don't believe them, and are just quarreling with my dismissal of them on principle, I'm if anything even less interested. I'm not offended or upset, I'm just not in the mood to pretend to take this crap seriously today. |
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wintermute
Joined: 01 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
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| I can detail why later, if you like, but I have to run for now. Just to be clear, are what you said, and what you meant to say still pretty much the same, because if not... enlighten me, or we are both wasting time. |
*Yawn* to the righteous indignation. Do you have a scintilla of evidence in support of this theory? |
No. So? |
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wintermute
Joined: 01 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:52 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| wintermute wrote: |
| I can detail why later, if you like ... |
I emphatically would not like it. How clear do I have to be? If you believe the ridiculous accusations in the article, I've all ready said exactly what I think about your position. And if you don't believe them, and are just quarreling with my dismissal of them on principle, I'm if anything even less interested. I'm not offended or upset, I'm just not in the mood to pretend to take this crap seriously today. |
Sorry, I should have said "need" instead of "like", as, obviously, the former you do, the latter you don't.
You and Kuros are confused! You seem to think that there are only two positions to take - you either believe everything or nothing.
What about the rational position that we don't have enough evidence to decide one way or the other, but through rational argument and honest investigation we can make an assessment of what is and is not probable, and is or is not possible?
That is where I'm coming from, where the purpose of an argument is to move the discussion forward. Dismissing worthless arguments also moves the discussion forward. Your argument was worthless and you know it, or you wouldn't be moving away from it with each re-statement of your "clear" position.
So, to recap:
Ron Paul's position: It is possible some or all of the gold has been stolen from Fort Knox. An independent audit is a prudent action.
My position: Sounds fair. An audit can't hurt.
Fox's position: Well I can't imagine why anyone would even want to steal gold, let alone actually do it, therefore it is impossible, therefore anyone who even considers the possibility is irrational.
Kuros' position: Oh yeah? Where's the evidence? If you can't show me the evidence, noting happened!
So after all this run around, my rephrasing
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| That because something is impossible for you to imagine, it is impossible? |
of your argument
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So you're seriously suggesting that a mysterious cabal of bankocrats competent and capable enough to arrange for the removal of all gold from Fort Knox and its replacement with fraudulent tungsten is also so completely inept and incompetent that after they were found out by this Strauss-Kahn fellow, their response was to frame him so incompetently that "Prosecutors are poised to drop all sex assault charges against former IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn in the coming weeks due to doubts about his accuser's credibility?" |
was accurate and still stands.
Thanks gents! |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:13 am Post subject: |
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You and Kuros are confused! You seem to think that there are only two positions to take - you either believe everything or nothing.
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Nothing either of us has said even remotely implies that.
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| Fox's position: Well I can't imagine why anyone would even want to steal gold, let alone actually do it, therefore it is impossible, therefore anyone who even considers the possibility is irrational. |
If you really believe this is identical -- or even remotely similar -- to what I said, your reading comprehension is so beyond pathetic that I really don't know what to say. The only thing I can do is once again suggest you reread both the article and my original post, because you still very obviously aren't getting it, and I don't have the patience to spoon feed you this time. Skin or swim, Scooby. |
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Friend Lee Ghost
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| I think it's pretty clear what I'm saying: that this constant barrage of conspiracy theories predicated on a paradoxical scenario of ultra-competent masterminds capable of smuggling huge amounts of gold out of Fort Knox and regularly arranging for fraudulent audits every year |
Fort Knox hasn't been audited since 1954. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Why she lied-
http://powerwall.msnbc.msn.com/business/why-the-dsk-maid-lied-1694220.story
Those who, like Diallo and the woman at the center of the case against Strauss-Kahn, apply for asylum after entering the United States represent just one-tenth of 1 percent of the world's refugees, and for them, according to Arnold-Fernandez, it's been, on average, 17 years since they left their home countries. Legal representation is scant, and language is often an issue. But most notably: judges are given tremendous leeway. Approval rates swing wildly from courtroom to courtroom. One court officer can approve 90 percent of the cases that come before the bench, and just down the hall another might decline nine of the 10 that come before him. It's a discretionary system�a �refugee roulette��that has contributed to myth-making within immigrant communities, where the stories that �worked,� are passed around like lucky charms.
�When you're going into a legal proceeding that hasn't been explained to you and you don't have adequate or ethical legal counsel and you know that your life or death may hinge on what you say, the temptation to use a story that worked for someone else is incredibly high,� Arnold-Fernandez says. �We have had clients whose real circumstances are more compelling than the stories they have been advised by others to use. But there's such a lack of adequate legal advice�. And in the absence of accurate information and legal assistance, refugee communities may end up filling in the gaps with inaccurate information.� The temptation is so great, she says, that some asylum seekers have been exploited by people charging $100 a pop for stories that �work.� |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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So, to recap:
Ron Paul's position: It is possible some or all of the gold has been stolen from Fort Knox. An independent audit is a prudent action.
My position: Sounds fair. An audit can't hurt.
Fox's position: Well I can't imagine why anyone would even want to steal gold, let alone actually do it, therefore it is impossible, therefore anyone who even considers the possibility is irrational.
Kuros' position: Oh yeah? Where's the evidence? If you can't show me the evidence, noting happened!
So after all this run around, my rephrasing
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| That because something is impossible for you to imagine, it is impossible? |
of your argument
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So you're seriously suggesting that a mysterious cabal of bankocrats competent and capable enough to arrange for the removal of all gold from Fort Knox and its replacement with fraudulent tungsten is also so completely inept and incompetent that after they were found out by this Strauss-Kahn fellow, their response was to frame him so incompetently that "Prosecutors are poised to drop all sex assault charges against former IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn in the coming weeks due to doubts about his accuser's credibility?" |
was accurate and still stands.
Thanks gents! |
Good God. The debate wasn't about whether or not Fort Knox should be audited. The debate was whether removal of gold at Fort Knox was actually directly associated with Dominique Strauss-Khan's accusal.
No such extended chain of tenuous assumptions is justified without some evidence. Fox was justifed to mock bacasper's ridiculous Russian-inspired assertion. |
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