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marsavalanche
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Location: where pretty lies perish
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| Julius wrote: |
After several visits, my impression of Busan is pretty consistent.
The people are even more brash and rude.
The stares are worse.
The level of previous exposure to foreigners is real low.
The giggling middle-school mentality to foreigners is on steroids.
..imagine Seoul 15 years ago... and you have Busan. |
My girlfriend (Korean) is from Busan and has mentioned these exact same things. To sum things up, she thinks Busan is good for KOREANS.
But according to the posters on Dave's, my girlfriend who knows more about Busan than these dudes combined, a Korean citizen, has no idea what she's talking about  |
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definitely maybe
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:45 am Post subject: |
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some waygug-in
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It's actually not just Busan, but the whole South-East province is noted for the rudeness, pushyness, and what have you.
I can't really compare it to anywhere else because I only lived in the Busan
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| marsavalanche wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
After several visits, my impression of Busan is pretty consistent.
The people are even more brash and rude.
The stares are worse.
The level of previous exposure to foreigners is real low.
The giggling middle-school mentality to foreigners is on steroids.
..imagine Seoul 15 years ago... and you have Busan. |
My girlfriend (Korean) is from Busan and has mentioned these exact same things. To sum things up, she thinks Busan is good for KOREANS.
But according to the posters on Dave's, my girlfriend who knows more about Busan than these dudes combined, a Korean citizen, has no idea what she's talking about |
I lived in Busan 11 years with my Korean wife who is from Seoul but who grew up in Busan from middle school on.
It was a great place to live and it has its own vibe that differs from Seoul. It is its own little place with its own style.
Some like it, some do not.
No said your gf did not know what she is talking about...in fact who said anything of the sort in here?
I also know a ton of westerners who swear by life in Busan who also lived in Seoul...it simply boils down to different people with different outlooks and perspectives.
This is why over generalisations (like Cohiba's rule) are doomed to epic failure.
Some of the rude factor or the perception of it is due to the ole Busan Dialect. That dialect is pretty different and tends to give a very definite impression. Busan is indeed behind Seoul in certain areas but it offers its own advantages.
My take: give the place a try and if you do not like it, move on. All that will mean is that YOU do not like it there and feel more confortable living somewhere else. No big deal. |
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robinsoncrusoe
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Thanks to FDNY for not allowing such a stupid rule like Cohiba's to die off like it should.
Everytime Cohiba's rule appears to be on the verge of extinction, some idiot has to copy-paste it from some 2003 thread. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Some of the rude factor or the perception of it is due to the ole Busan Dialect. That dialect is pretty different and tends to give a very definite impression. Busan is indeed behind Seoul in certain areas but it offers its own advantages.
My take: give the place a try and if you do not like it, move on. All that will mean is that YOU do not like it there and feel more confortable living somewhere else. No big deal. |
My guess is that you managed to successfully coccoon yourself within your own inner circle while in Korea. I have done the same- it is the secret to enjoying your time here.
However, i am under no illusions about the bald-faced rudeness that can often be thrown in my face the instant I venture out of my comfort zone.
Simply going to work can prove to be a flashpoint. Some days it only takes 2 minutes from leaving my front door to be plunged into anger by selfish behaviour. Someone pushes in front for the bus. Someone leaps into the taxi I have just flagged down. Someone has anti-foreigner issues at the service counter. etc. And so it goes. |
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definitely maybe
Joined: 16 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| robinsoncrusoe wrote: |
Thanks to FDNY for not allowing such a stupid rule like Cohiba's to die off like it should.
Everytime Cohiba's rule appears to be on the verge of extinction, some idiot has to copy-paste it from some 2003 thread. |
Come on! FDNY is Cohiba! The rule plus his strong involvement in the Deokjeok-do weekends are a dead giveaway. |
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yellowdove
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| I said that I wasn't going to post on this thread again, but I thought I would chime in on the rudeness issue. I find that people in this country are rude no matter where you are. My husband and I have experienced total rudeness in every single city we've visited and lived in - Daejeon, Busan, Gwangju, Seoul, Masan - and the small country places too, like Muju and Damyang. I think the only place we didn't encounter rudeness was in Inje when we went rafting. It doesn't matter WHERE you are, this country is full of selfish people. You will also find the opposite, complete unselfish people who will go out of their way to help you and/or make you feel welcome. You just have to take this country's attitude with a grain of salt. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Some of the rude factor or the perception of it is due to the ole Busan Dialect. That dialect is pretty different and tends to give a very definite impression. Busan is indeed behind Seoul in certain areas but it offers its own advantages.
My take: give the place a try and if you do not like it, move on. All that will mean is that YOU do not like it there and feel more confortable living somewhere else. No big deal. |
My guess is that you managed to successfully coccoon yourself within your own inner circle while in Korea. I have done the same- it is the secret to enjoying your time here.
However, i am under no illusions about the bald-faced rudeness that can often be thrown in my face the instant I venture out of my comfort zone.
Simply going to work can prove to be a flashpoint. Some days it only takes 2 minutes from leaving my front door to be plunged into anger by selfish behaviour. Someone pushes in front for the bus. Someone leaps into the taxi I have just flagged down. Someone has anti-foreigner issues at the service counter. etc. And so it goes. |
The last paragraph of your response applies to where we live in Canada just as well 
Its called urban living and it does get to us at times. Heck what you just wrote also mirrors what my friend Jeff says about life in another Canadian city (selfish drivers who ignore the rules, line jumpers...)
The manifestations differ but the result remains the same: annoyance, irritation and sometimes anger....
I have never lived in any cocoon and do not require one to be happy where I live. I had bad days in Busan (especially this time of the year with the rain) and I have bad days here in Canada (usually in January-Feb in the dead of winter) where I get pissed off or irritated with things.
That to me is just part and parcel of normal everyday life.
I did enjoy my life in Korea, even with the bad days. I miss the place often. I also do enjoy my life here in Canada even if yesterday I could have hit the guy who cut me off on the highway while speaking on his cell. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| yellowdove wrote: |
| I said that I wasn't going to post on this thread again, but I thought I would chime in on the rudeness issue. I find that people in this country are rude no matter where you are. My husband and I have experienced total rudeness in every single city we've visited and lived in - Daejeon, Busan, Gwangju, Seoul, Masan - and the small country places too, like Muju and Damyang. I think the only place we didn't encounter rudeness was in Inje when we went rafting. It doesn't matter WHERE you are, this country is full of selfish people. You will also find the opposite, complete unselfish people who will go out of their way to help you and/or make you feel welcome. You just have to take this country's attitude with a grain of salt. |
Total rudeness?
Pray tell what is that?
Are there levels of rudeness like some alert meter?
25% rudeness, half power rudeness, total rudeness, over the limit rudeness, double rudeness....wow
As for the country being FULL of selfish people that is a pretty loud statement and dire judgement. But hey, this is Daves afterall, and it must be hard to live in a TOTAL rude country TOTALLY full of selfish people. |
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Weigookin74
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all the subways closed in busan. the last Subway in Daegu closed in April (in front of GyoDae). not enough business.
the local dont like to pay that much for food that they cant bond over and is unfamilairt to them.
and that Cohiba's rule is stupid as hell. maybe in 1995, but not in 2011. |
So, basically Busan is still very traditional. Seoul has people eating at places by themselves all the time and acting Western. Busan's main attraction seems to be the beach. I had heard Busan people (ie Women) are some of the friendliest in Korea. But is it all hearsay? From some the descriptions I hear, it seems like Busan is just a typical Korean town with the attitudes to boot but has a beach as an add on. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Not sure what you mean by, "people eating by themselves".
Do people generally need help to eat when they eat in other Korean cities?
But, yes Busan is not so different from a lot of other Korean cities. It's not as cosmopolitan as Seoul, but then again, it's not so crowed, large and polluted either.
I would choose Busan over Seoul any day, but I'm not into night life. |
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yellowdove
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Maybe not total rudeness. But I have experienced things from people shoving me to get past me to board the bus, to people purposely closing the door behind them at a store so that I would have to open it myself, except that they were literally 1 foot in front of me, and saw me coming. I've also experienced having someone call the cops on me and my husband for sitting outside a GS25, having a drink and watching the world go by, just because we were speaking English. (They also threw a water balloon at us as well.) But that's a whole different story.
Thanks for pointing out my overuse of the word 'total'.  |
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shostahoosier
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| yellowdove wrote: |
| I said that I wasn't going to post on this thread again, but I thought I would chime in on the rudeness issue. I find that people in this country are rude no matter where you are. My husband and I have experienced total rudeness in every single city we've visited and lived in - Daejeon, Busan, Gwangju, Seoul, Masan - and the small country places too, like Muju and Damyang. I think the only place we didn't encounter rudeness was in Inje when we went rafting. It doesn't matter WHERE you are, this country is full of selfish people. You will also find the opposite, complete unselfish people who will go out of their way to help you and/or make you feel welcome. You just have to take this country's attitude with a grain of salt. |
Total rudeness?
Pray tell what is that?
Are there levels of rudeness like some alert meter?
25% rudeness, half power rudeness, total rudeness, over the limit rudeness, double rudeness....wow
As for the country being FULL of selfish people that is a pretty loud statement and dire judgement. But hey, this is Daves afterall, and it must be hard to live in a TOTAL rude country TOTALLY full of selfish people. |
I see where you're going Patrick and understand why you're annoyed...but I think the point that yellowdove was trying to make is that there are rude people everywhere in Korea....as well as friendly people...and that living in a particular city doesnt shield you from that. |
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joelove
Joined: 12 May 2011
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Surely there are levels of rudeness, though maybe 'levels' sounds odd. Too formal a word? How about 'degrees of rudeness' ?
I can be rude. You may be ruder. But Patrick is certainly the rudest of all (hehe). There's 3 levels.
Don't we sometimes speak of levels of formality? Seems like it would apply strongly in Korea with the language endings.
'He was a bit rude" is something one might say. Would anyone say, 'he was a bit polite'? Sounds unusual. 'Very polite' is common enough. So I guess we have levels of politeness too.
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