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Old fat expat
Joined: 19 Sep 2005
Location: a caravan of dust, making for a windy prairie
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Actually I was more interested in why South Korea might choose to take the option to change the name.
I understand why Russia might choose to do so.
I doubt few people would argue that Americans can be grotesquely proud of their own narrative. There is certainly some jingoism in the title "Captain America" (a man who represents everything that is good, right, true, and wholesome).
But why has South Korea taken the option? Is it about money as one poster suggests? Is it about pride? Hatred? Is it a screw-up?
Honestly, I am not sure I understand. I am sure it has nothing to do with The Last Samurai. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| A little event called the Korean War may be playing a role here. Not all Koreans view the US as their savior, 'tho they do their damn best to emulate and suck up when some money is on the table. |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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Koreans also have pretty crappy English. Half my students get confused when I answer "USA" after they ask me where I'm from. They enjoy shortening titles whenever possible.
Still, First Avenger is a pretty dumb name for a movie since most of these international audiences won't know who The Avengers are. and if they did, they'd know Captain America is a member. Should've just called it "Syoopa Solja" in Korea.
Or maybe I am just sensitive about Avengers titles. When I was in junior high school, I was sorely disappointed when a movie called "The Avengers" came out and it was some spy action flick. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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At least its getting released here. Somehow I doubt it's being released in say, Pakistan.
That being said, Hollywood is as guilty as anyone for these kind of antics.
The Mexican, starring Brad Pitt.
The Last Samurai, starring Tom Cruise.
Amistad, starring Matthew McCounaghy
Glory, starring Matthew Broderick
Notice anything about those? |
Further, I don't consider Matthew McCounaghy the star of Amistad. Clearly, Djimon Hounsou is the primary star of that movie. |
Surely you must be joking. How many lines did he have? How much of the screen time did he have? Who was advertised as starring?
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| Same with Glory. First, they're being historically consistent since the officer of that regiment was almost assuredly white. Second, you can argue that Denzel is just as much the main hero/protagonist in that movie as Broderick if not more so. |
You can argue, but you'd be incorrect. Clearly the movie focuses on Shaw. Anyone suggesting otherwise is really reaching. That's like saying Chewbacca is as much a main character as Han Solo. They both get about the same amount of screen time, but we all know how ridiculous such an assertion is.
Right because the main story is about the white colonel. Not the black soldiers under his command.
If the story was truly balanced, Shaw would have been a periphery character like Andre Braugher's character in that movie.
This is fine and good, it helps the audience identify and all.
Just don't blast the Korean filmgoers for jingoism without first looking at the American audiences that Hollywood markets to. [/quote] |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| rainism wrote: |
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| Do I really have to connect the dots between the Captain America name-change thing and what's going on with those movies? |
having whitey American as the protagonist/hero?
I'd actually take issue with some of your examples.
in Last Samurai.. it's simply a story told from Western eyes.. I believed Cruise's character is based on a real life person during those times. You could also argue that the Japanese samurai leader is just as much the protagonist/hero as Cruise, if not more so.
Same with Glory. First, they're being historically consistent since the officer of that regiment was almost assuredly white. Second, you can argue that Denzel is just as much the main hero/protagonist in that movie as Broderick if not more so. |
Busted! |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Konglishman wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
At least its getting released here. Somehow I doubt it's being released in say, Pakistan.
That being said, Hollywood is as guilty as anyone for these kind of antics.
The Mexican, starring Brad Pitt.
The Last Samurai, starring Tom Cruise.
Amistad, starring Matthew McCounaghy
Glory, starring Matthew Broderick
Notice anything about those? |
Further, I don't consider Matthew McCounaghy the star of Amistad. Clearly, Djimon Hounsou is the primary star of that movie. |
Surely you must be joking. How many lines did he have? How much of the screen time did he have? Who was advertised as starring?
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| Same with Glory. First, they're being historically consistent since the officer of that regiment was almost assuredly white. Second, you can argue that Denzel is just as much the main hero/protagonist in that movie as Broderick if not more so. |
You can argue, but you'd be incorrect. Clearly the movie focuses on Shaw. Anyone suggesting otherwise is really reaching. That's like saying Chewbacca is as much a main character as Han Solo. They both get about the same amount of screen time, but we all know how ridiculous such an assertion is.
Right because the main story is about the white colonel. Not the black soldiers under his command.
If the story was truly balanced, Shaw would have been a periphery character like Andre Braugher's character in that movie.
This is fine and good, it helps the audience identify and all.
Just don't blast the Korean filmgoers for jingoism without first looking at the American audiences that Hollywood markets to. |
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It's about the black soldiers from the white commanders point of view because he is the one who wrote all the letters they reference. The black characters get just as much screen time and Denzel got the Oscar. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:10 am Post subject: |
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We should be clear on something... South Korea didn't choose this option, a marketer/importer chose this option. And so far, I've yet to read a statement from them saying why.
One of my neighbors does that for a living, so if I can catch him outside this weekend, I'll be sure to ask him. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:08 am Post subject: |
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surely you jest.
Broderick/Shaw was a dweeb and a dork in that movie who found enough courage at the end to die like a man. Denzel and his character was clearly the star of the movie.
Furthermore, I don't have a problem with Hollywood telling stories from a whitey American point of view because I think it's driven by pure economics rather than any racist tendencies. They make their biggest bank in America and America remain overwhelmingly white.
the moment those aspects start to shift, the sooner you will see these stories/movies shift as well. |
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nukeday
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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At least Americans don't VOICE their white pride over those movies.
"OMG, older sister! I'm totally going to watch Glory because it's starring a white guy like me, Matthew Broderick!"
Unlike how Koreans feel about, say, "Ninja Assassin" and to a lesser extent, "GI Joe." I probably would've never heard of "Ninja Assassin" if I didn't live in Korea.
Also, I bet few or none of the Korean critics lamented the fact that in both of those movies, Korean actors portrayed Japanese characters.
Plenty of critics voiced your concerns about "The Last Samurai," though. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| We should be clear on something... South Korea didn't choose this option, a marketer/importer chose this option.. |
Now now. You are making too much sense and you know it's not allowed on here. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| You don't need to be Korean or anti-American to realise what a cheesy, cringeworthy concept Captain America really is. The comic was created a long time ago, and world has changed. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| You don't need to be Korean or anti-American to realise what a cheesy, cringeworthy concept Captain America really is. The comic was created a long time ago, and world has changed. |
100% agree.
nukeday, you're being a bit harsh on the K's. They have a right to get excited or exhibit some pride if one of their own stars in a major (or semi major) Hollywood/international film. How often has that happened? The first few times it does, it's going to be a big deal, and I don't begrudge them at all for it. |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| You don't need to be Korean or anti-American to realise what a cheesy, cringeworthy concept Captain America really is. The comic was created a long time ago, and world has changed. |
The character was created in world war 2 and the movie is largely set there. It works. PC jerks can ruin anything anymore. |
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Triban
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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As for The Last Samurai:
HE WAS ALREADY A SOLDIER TRAINED IN THE ART OF WARFARE.
HE USED BRUTAL TACTICS.
HE FOUGHT IN GENERAL CUSTER'S ARMY.
HE WAS A MILITARY OFFICER, WHICH BACK THEN, MEANT YOU HAD BALLS OF CAST IRON AND WIN.
He also practices every day. EVERY DAY.
I think I have made my point.
P.S. HE IS THE WHITE TIGER FFS
Frankly, I'd be more concerned with how he mastered the Japanese language so quickly |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| shifter2009 wrote: |
| cj1976 wrote: |
| You don't need to be Korean or anti-American to realise what a cheesy, cringeworthy concept Captain America really is. The comic was created a long time ago, and world has changed. |
The character was created in world war 2 and the movie is largely set there. It works. PC jerks can ruin anything anymore. |
I'm as ANTI politically correct as one can get but to portray Capt America as standing up for all that's "good" is America's propaganda counterpart to the Nazi office of Joseph Goebbels. Thing is, the Nazis were destroyed yet the spirit of Goebbels lives in today's Amerikka, as evidenced by names such as "the Patriot act" , " Homeland Security". etc.
I'd be far more interested in a movie about this Capt America comic book story:
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| In the 2006-2007 "Civil War" crossover, Captain America opposes mandatory federal registration of all super-powered beings, which he sees as an erosion of civil liberties for the superhero community, and leads the Anti-Registration faction and resistance movement. |
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