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spanky1off
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My main problem with this is that it gives the appearance of redemption to Lee Kun Hee, who was pardoned for his criminal activities on the grounds that his talents were needed to secure the 2018 bid.
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In an attempt to bolster the country�s 2018 Winter Olympic bid, South Korea�s president, Lee Myung-bak, pardoned Lee Kun-hee, former chairman of Samsung, who had been convicted of tax evasion and breach of trust. The move allows Lee to try to regain membership in the International Olympic Committee, and take the lead in Pyeongchang County�s bid. Critics say the pardon confirmed the common view that corporate heavyweights are above the law in Korea. �A criminal convict travelling around the world campaigning for South Korea�s Olympic bid,� says Kim Sang-jo, an economist at Hansung University, �will only hurt our national interest and image.�
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Now, any future white-collar slimeballs in Korea can point to LGH as an example of why it's of paramount importance for the national interest that they be exempt from criminal sanction.
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i think this qualifies him as the perfect contender for dealing with the corrupt IOC. now if only england had the same calibre of ex criminals working for our world cup bid we might have had more success. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| Geun hee greasing palms? Heaven forbid! Shut your trap or Madoka will come here and brand you a racist! |
For the record, I'm not alleging that Lee Gun-hee bribed anyone at the IOC. And even if he did, the officials who took the bribes would be just as guilty as him, in fact moreso. Because they have more of a duty to be impartial than he does.
It just ticked me off that he was pardoned in the first place, on the excuse that he was indispensable to the Olympic bid. Had the bid failed, there might have been more of a public backlash against the original pardon(not that there shouldn`t have been one at the time the pardon was made). But a successful bid can be more easily crafted into a tacky redemption parable.
But hey. If there WAS corruption, and it comes out somehow, I guess that`ll be enough egg on LRB`s face to possibly discredit future absolutions for convicted felons. Or maybe not. |
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Ave, L�cifer
Joined: 22 Feb 2010
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| How was this guy vital to the bid? |
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david218533
Joined: 02 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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Yet another Free Ecom Zone for Korea: The Olympic ZONE
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2938641
Now Gangwon has been given rights for the FEZ... To try to attract private investors to the olympic site..
Right now there are 6 FEZ: Daegu, Busan, Gwangyang, Gunsan, Incheon and the Yellow Sea.. All trying to compete with one another to get foreign investment into Korea...
I live in Incheon in the New Songdo, and the local papers and online reports have said that Songdo is struggling to find private and foreign investors, as they have to compete with the other FEZs.
http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20100806000521
The new zone will just take away the already small amount of future investors from the 6 sites to the Olympic Zone, as they see better growth in the near future.
What is President LMB thinking???? |
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Gorf
Joined: 25 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:52 am Post subject: |
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Too bad almost no one likes the winter Olympics anyways, and no one likes figure skating or speed skating besides Korea, who is so darn proud of their little nobodies. It'll still be fun to see how the judges skew towards Korea in those events...  |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| the local papers and online reports have said that Songdo is struggling to find private and foreign investors, as they have to compete with the other FEZs. |
The real reason is that Korea is not foreigner-friendly in terms of business and investment practises.
All of those new appartments and properties at songdo were bought by koreans under the table. They were supposed to be auctioned to foreign investors. Instead they just kept it in the family.
Many of these grandiose construction projects may simply turn out to be white elephants. They were not only environmentally harmful in many cases, but they nearly bankrupted the country. A last-ditch attempt just as China overtakes.
Korea should have turned the focus away from infrastructure about 10 years ago and started putting the money into social development.
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| It'll still be fun to see how the judges skew towards Korea in those events... |
I'm hoping that pyongchang will be different somehow. This is the 3rd major global competition they've hosted in a relatively short space of time. They must have fatigue by now. Surely the fascination with the whole daehan minguk thing is wearing thin? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| Too bad almost no one likes the winter Olympics anyways, and no one likes figure skating or speed skating besides Korea, who is so darn proud of their little nobodies. It'll still be fun to see how the judges skew towards Korea in those events... |
You do realize that trolling the internet is one of the saddest things someone can do in their life right? |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| This is kind of off-topic but it is highly unlikely that the NHL will be sending its players in 2018. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| This is kind of off-topic but it is highly unlikely that the NHL will be sending its players in 2018. |
Why do you say this? I've heard this said by several people due to Korea's time difference to the North American market. If that's the basis of your comment, then let's remember that the first Olympics the NHL participated in was in Japan. The NHL will have little choice but to go to Sochi because the Russian players will go regardless. If that's the case, 2018 will likely be bundled in that agreement.
In reference to all the other chicken littles: It's funny how soon we forget the success of the 88 Olympics, both financially and culturally. People were predicting doomsday leading up to those games, especially since they were the first after 2 majorly boycotted games in Moscow and LA. But don't let the facts stand in the way of your hysteria. Yes, yes, every country that has hosted the Olympics is now a 3rd world dystopia. Some apartment blocks in Vancouver that ran over budget is a clear sign that everyone and everything involved with the Olympics is corrupt and now penniless and destitute. It's just too bad that such perfect and uncorruptable governments are continuously thrown down by the evil empire that is known as the Olympics. If not for them, every child would go to bed with a full belly and every minority would live in peace. Darn those terrible Olympics! Especially the curlers! |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| This is kind of off-topic but it is highly unlikely that the NHL will be sending its players in 2018. |
Why do you say this? I've heard this said by several people due to Korea's time difference to the North American market. If that's the basis of your comment, then let's remember that the first Olympics the NHL participated in was in Japan. The NHL will have little choice but to go to Sochi because the Russian players will go regardless. If that's the case, 2018 will likely be bundled in that agreement.
In reference to all the other chicken littles: It's funny how soon we forget the success of the 88 Olympics, both financially and culturally. People were predicting doomsday leading up to those games, especially since they were the first after 2 majorly boycotted games in Moscow and LA. But don't let the facts stand in the way of your hysteria. Yes, yes, every country that has hosted the Olympics is now a 3rd world dystopia. Some apartment blocks in Vancouver that ran over budget is a clear sign that everyone and everything involved with the Olympics is corrupt and now penniless and destitute. It's just too bad that such perfect and uncorruptable governments are continuously thrown down by the evil empire that is known as the Olympics. If not for them, every child would go to bed with a full belly and every minority would live in peace. Darn those terrible Olympics! Especially the curlers! |
The 1988 Olympics is a COMPLETELY different circumstance and a comparison with the 2018 could be used as a thesis topic. I'm surprised that such an erudite writer would even suggest that the former be used as a means of assessing the latter.
That being said, the standard doomsday predictions shouldn't be taken lightly. As I wrote before, NK is going to be an issue and SK is currently proffering the North the carrot:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/07/116_90530.html
My biggest question is what happens when the South runs out of carrots. I don't foresee a war, but I do foresee an inability to tame the tiger with dinner scraps. All it takes is a minor threat to have many countries opt out. Besides, from what I've heard, many Westerners think that Pyeongchang is Pyeongyang in the North and have already dropped the Olympics as a must see/ must do activity.
In terms of preparation, the years are short, but as far as a$$kissing goes we'd better stock up on the lip balm--7 years is a long time. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Good chance you'll have a more more left-leaning, pro-NK government, at that time that will bend-over to every one of NK's demands. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| This is kind of off-topic but it is highly unlikely that the NHL will be sending its players in 2018. |
Why do you say this? I've heard this said by several people due to Korea's time difference to the North American market. If that's the basis of your comment, then let's remember that the first Olympics the NHL participated in was in Japan. |
Nagano was considered a dry run the NHL participation in the 2002 Olympics in Salt Lake City.
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The NHL will have little choice but to go to Sochi because the Russian players will go regardless. If that's the case, 2018 will likely be bundled in that agreement.
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No, 2018 does not have to be bundled in that agreement. If the NHL goes to Sochi (still undecided) the owners will go kicking and screaming. There will be no such pressure to go to Pyeongchang. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
| catman wrote: |
| This is kind of off-topic but it is highly unlikely that the NHL will be sending its players in 2018. |
Why do you say this? I've heard this said by several people due to Korea's time difference to the North American market. If that's the basis of your comment, then let's remember that the first Olympics the NHL participated in was in Japan. The NHL will have little choice but to go to Sochi because the Russian players will go regardless. If that's the case, 2018 will likely be bundled in that agreement.
In reference to all the other chicken littles: It's funny how soon we forget the success of the 88 Olympics, both financially and culturally. People were predicting doomsday leading up to those games, especially since they were the first after 2 majorly boycotted games in Moscow and LA. But don't let the facts stand in the way of your hysteria. Yes, yes, every country that has hosted the Olympics is now a 3rd world dystopia. Some apartment blocks in Vancouver that ran over budget is a clear sign that everyone and everything involved with the Olympics is corrupt and now penniless and destitute. It's just too bad that such perfect and uncorruptable governments are continuously thrown down by the evil empire that is known as the Olympics. If not for them, every child would go to bed with a full belly and every minority would live in peace. Darn those terrible Olympics! Especially the curlers! |
The 1988 Olympics is a COMPLETELY different circumstance and a comparison with the 2018 could be used as a thesis topic. I'm surprised that such an erudite writer would even suggest that the former be used as a means of assessing the latter.
That being said, the standard doomsday predictions shouldn't be taken lightly. As I wrote before, NK is going to be an issue and SK is currently proffering the North the carrot:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/07/116_90530.html
My biggest question is what happens when the South runs out of carrots. I don't foresee a war, but I do foresee an inability to tame the tiger with dinner scraps. All it takes is a minor threat to have many countries opt out. Besides, from what I've heard, many Westerners think that Pyeongchang is Pyeongyang in the North and have already dropped the Olympics as a must see/ must do activity.
In terms of preparation, the years are short, but as far as a$$kissing goes we'd better stock up on the lip balm--7 years is a long time. |
Wait, so predicting the future based on the past is irresponsible, but cynically stating the future is doomed with no proof other than personal bias is intelligent? In any event, I wasn't saying Seoul 88 was a success and therefore Pyeongchang 2018 would be as well. I was saying in response to allegations that rampant corruption in Korea would result in a failed games, that it didn't happen in 88 when this country was even more closed so there's little basis for that claim now. I was also saying that the Olympics have proven to be profitable in recent decades INCLUDING SEOUL 88, so there's no reason to rush to judgement.
The world isn't black and white. The Olympics aren't good or evil. They're just a thing that can be whatever the humans responsible for it determine. And there are lots of humans with many different priorities involved. I personally believe the Olympics can be used for great good and I'm optimistic. You can be pessimistic. But neither of us can claim knowledge of the future. I'm basing my prediction on the past and present. Others can base it on whatever they like, but no one actually knows anything.
Or maybe it's just a chance to complain? Because at this very moment big business is hurting the little guy, people are being displaced all around you and public funds are being misused. Blaming an event 7 years away and only announced a week ago is sort of strange, don't you think? And this isn't only true in Korea. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
| This is kind of off-topic but it is highly unlikely that the NHL will be sending its players in 2018. |
Why do you say this? I've heard this said by several people due to Korea's time difference to the North American market. If that's the basis of your comment, then let's remember that the first Olympics the NHL participated in was in Japan. |
Nagano was considered a dry run the NHL participation in the 2002 Olympics in Salt Lake City.
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The NHL will have little choice but to go to Sochi because the Russian players will go regardless. If that's the case, 2018 will likely be bundled in that agreement.
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No, 2018 does not have to be bundled in that agreement. If the NHL goes to Sochi (still undecided) the owners will go kicking and screaming. There will be no such pressure to go to Pyeongchang. |
The current NHL bargaining agreement ends next year (2012) and participation in the 2014 Olympics is a huge issue for Russian and other European players. These agreements usually last 5-7 years so 2018 would likely be bundled in that agreement. Unlike the other top pro sports in North America, hockey players rise through the ranks by playing for their country. There is a proud tradition represented with Canada Cups, the WJHC, Summit Series, and WHC. Every major hockey nation has a strong national competitve tradition and very very few players turn down the opportunity to have their home flag on their chest. You can't say that about most other sports (soccer excluded of course). Players want it and in an age where they had to accept a salary cap and an all star game no one cares about, you better believe the NHL will be there in 2018.
And you know what? I don't even care all that much. As long as the rules for no 'pro' players is spelled out I'm fine with it. Heck, use the same Junior teams. But in that case you have to bring back the Canada Cup or something. As a hockey fan I demand to see the best players playing against each other in games that mean something. That's what sets hockey apart, we get to see it every now and again.
Nagano might have been a dry run, but look what it gave us: 2 US-Canada finals in North America. OK, the US lost both but the whole plan to export hockey to the sunbelt has lost steam and it's going back to it's roots anyway. You think Canadians and Northern Americans won't tune into another US-Canada final at 2am? Have you met a hockey fan? Afternoon games (like most, including the finals) is still prime time in Europe, which is 30% of the NHL and growing. Heck, the NHL is having real games over there now. The KHL is a real threat. |
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toadkillerdog
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:08 am Post subject: |
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| Most people are forgetting that Korea suffers from gross regional underdevelopment. Basicly, the Seoul-Busan belt has traditionally gotten all the development funds while the rest of the nation sucked hind t*t. At least hosting the Winter Olympics will bring some needed development to the local area. And, perhaps, a shot in the arm for the local economy. |
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