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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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same allegation can be made about the movie and book Shogun.
yet, once again Blackthorne is based on an actual whitey character who lived in Japan during those times and stayed there for the duration of his life.
and Toranaga is just as much the hero of the story as Blackthorne is, as the master manipulator of all pieces on the chessboard. Blackthorne, valuable as he was, was merely a chess piece. |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| rainism wrote: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| You don't need to be Korean or anti-American to realise what a cheesy, cringeworthy concept Captain America really is. The comic was created a long time ago, and world has changed. |
The character was created in world war 2 and the movie is largely set there. It works. PC jerks can ruin anything anymore. |
I'm as ANTI politically correct as one can get but to portray Capt America as standing up for all that's "good" is America's propaganda counterpart to the Nazi office of Joseph Goebbels. Thing is, the Nazis were destroyed yet the spirit of Goebbels lives in today's Amerikka, as evidenced by names such as "the Patriot act" , " Homeland Security". etc.
I'd be far more interested in a movie about this Capt America comic book story:
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| In the 2006-2007 "Civil War" crossover, Captain America opposes mandatory federal registration of all super-powered beings, which he sees as an erosion of civil liberties for the superhero community, and leads the Anti-Registration faction and resistance movement. |
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Yeah, but the current captain america is all about being a man out of time. The great warrior of the greatest generation lost in a world were there are so many shades of grey. Captain America represents American ideals which are awesome, its our fall through that sucks so bad. |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Triban wrote: |
As for The Last Samurai:
HE WAS ALREADY A SOLDIER TRAINED IN THE ART OF WARFARE.
HE USED BRUTAL TACTICS.
HE FOUGHT IN GENERAL CUSTER'S ARMY.
HE WAS A MILITARY OFFICER, WHICH BACK THEN, MEANT YOU HAD BALLS OF CAST IRON AND WIN.
He also practices every day. EVERY DAY.
I think I have made my point.
P.S. HE IS THE WHITE TIGER FFS
Frankly, I'd be more concerned with how he mastered the Japanese language so quickly |
There is a difference between trained as a US Calvary soldier and a f'n Samurai. Knowledge of how to use a Calvary sabre just isn't going to be the same as a Katana. Yeah he practices every day for six months against guys who practiced everyday FOR THE ENTIRE LIVES! Tom Cruise would never get REAL ultimate power in 6 months. Takes at least seven. |
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djloekee27
Joined: 08 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| rainism wrote: |
| shifter2009 wrote: |
| cj1976 wrote: |
| You don't need to be Korean or anti-American to realise what a cheesy, cringeworthy concept Captain America really is. The comic was created a long time ago, and world has changed. |
The character was created in world war 2 and the movie is largely set there. It works. PC jerks can ruin anything anymore. |
I'm as ANTI politically correct as one can get but to portray Capt America as standing up for all that's "good" is America's propaganda counterpart to the Nazi office of Joseph Goebbels. Thing is, the Nazis were destroyed yet the spirit of Goebbels lives in today's Amerikka, as evidenced by names such as "the Patriot act" , " Homeland Security". etc.
I'd be far more interested in a movie about this Capt America comic book story:
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| In the 2006-2007 "Civil War" crossover, Captain America opposes mandatory federal registration of all super-powered beings, which he sees as an erosion of civil liberties for the superhero community, and leads the Anti-Registration faction and resistance movement. |
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Captain America 2 will be based in the present time, Marvel said that the first Cap will be the only period piece that they want to make (excluding any changes of mind that they might make in the future). |
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Triban
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon Station
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| shifter2009 wrote: |
| Triban wrote: |
As for The Last Samurai:
HE WAS ALREADY A SOLDIER TRAINED IN THE ART OF WARFARE.
HE USED BRUTAL TACTICS.
HE FOUGHT IN GENERAL CUSTER'S ARMY.
HE WAS A MILITARY OFFICER, WHICH BACK THEN, MEANT YOU HAD BALLS OF CAST IRON AND WIN.
He also practices every day. EVERY DAY.
I think I have made my point.
P.S. HE IS THE WHITE TIGER FFS
Frankly, I'd be more concerned with how he mastered the Japanese language so quickly |
There is a difference between trained as a US Calvary soldier and a f'n Samurai. Knowledge of how to use a Calvary sabre just isn't going to be the same as a Katana. Yeah he practices every day for six months against guys who practiced everyday FOR THE ENTIRE LIVES! Tom Cruise would never get REAL ultimate power in 6 months. Takes at least seven. |
You a basing this off of a normal human. Tom Cruise is white tiger incarnate.
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| rainism wrote: |
| Furthermore, I don't have a problem with Hollywood telling stories from a whitey American point of view because I think it's driven by pure economics rather than any racist tendencies. They make their biggest bank in America and America remain overwhelmingly white. |
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At least Americans don't VOICE their white pride over those movies.
"OMG, older sister! I'm totally going to watch Glory because it's starring a white guy like me, Matthew Broderick!"
Unlike how Koreans feel about, say, "Ninja Assassin" and to a lesser extent, "GI Joe." I probably would've never heard of "Ninja Assassin" if I didn't live in Korea. |
Well, one of you is right, but not both.
I'll agree with rainism on this way. Nothing wrong in appealing to your audience.
I mean, I think the American audience is one of the more jingoistic out there.
If 'Glory' or 'The Last Samurai' or had all ethnic casts they'd be relegated to at best 'Waiting to Exhale'/'Friday'/'Crouching Tiger' territory where they get moderate interest from non-ethnic viewers.
To say nothing of the fact that I'm guessing a good 60% of Americans will not watch subtitled movies and can count the number of foreign films they've seen on one hand. Roger Ebert mentions this
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100324/REVIEWS/100329996/0/reviews04
Now consider the fact that the movie theaters are packed here with people watching subtitled Hollywood films starring people who don't look like them, and you really have to wonder about which audience is more jingoistic.
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| You a basing this off of a normal human. Tom Cruise is white tiger incarnate. |
True, plus if Morgan Freeman was alive in the Civil War he could just speak and people would follow because he has 'the Voice'. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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At least its getting released here. Somehow I doubt it's being released in say, Pakistan.
That being said, Hollywood is as guilty as anyone for these kind of antics.
The Mexican, starring Brad Pitt.
The Last Samurai, starring Tom Cruise.
Amistad, starring Matthew McCounaghy
Glory, starring Matthew Broderick
Notice anything about those? |
Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves, starring Kevin Costner.
He didn't even try to sound British.  |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Now consider the fact that the movie theaters are packed here with people watching subtitled Hollywood films starring people who don't look like them, and you really have to wonder about which audience is more jingoistic.
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C'mon, man. So basically, every single country on Earth is less jingoistic than America because they watch Hollywood films but not many Americans watch foreign films. And, actually, in my opinion people who do watch American films tend to over-praise them, seemingly for the mere fact that they are foreign. For example, I fell asleep during "Chaser," but it got pretty good reviews. "Easily the best cop thriller since The Departed." Yikes!
If Korea had a movie industry that could pump out mindless CGI-driven action movies like Transformers with an all-Korean cast and soundtrack, they would never look back. Unfortunately, the best they could do in that genre was D-war and Goemul...and those big releases are often years apart. Other than that, what other American movies do they watch?
A better question is, how many non-Korean OR American movies do Koreans watch? Find me a Korean who knows who Werner Herzog is. Hopefully he'll use a Korean actor soon.
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
At least its getting released here. Somehow I doubt it's being released in say, Pakistan.
That being said, Hollywood is as guilty as anyone for these kind of antics.
The Mexican, starring Brad Pitt.
The Last Samurai, starring Tom Cruise.
Amistad, starring Matthew McCounaghy
Glory, starring Matthew Broderick
Notice anything about those? |
Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves, starring Kevin Costner.
He didn't even try to sound British. |
Unlike some other Robin Hoods . . . |
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Old fat expat
Joined: 19 Sep 2005
Location: a caravan of dust, making for a windy prairie
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:46 am Post subject: |
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The question was not about movies though.
The question was about marketing of a particular brand.
Why did (I'm guessing) a high profile marketing company make that decision as it directly relates to the USA brand?--South Korea's most important defense partner.
Really, I genuinely wanted to understand the reasoning. I still don't really know how to think about this.
But straight away the defensive stance. Americans do the same thing blah blah. I'm not interested in the States at this point. I have a fairly good take on what goes on there and why the movie was made.
What I don't know is the thinking that went on here-in Korea. I was hoping Capt. Korea would have talked to his friend.
Apology for grumpyness, can't get the Super 15 to stream. Oh! the humanity. think I'll open another Monthieths. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:52 am Post subject: |
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I didn't see him or his kid at the apt playground of late. I've talked to him about his biz before, but never about the specifics in choosing titles and such.
Now that the rain has let up, maybe I'll run into him. |
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Old fat expat
Joined: 19 Sep 2005
Location: a caravan of dust, making for a windy prairie
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:49 am Post subject: |
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| apologies for the mis-spell Captain Corea |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:03 am Post subject: |
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| Old fat expat wrote: |
| apologies for the mis-spell Captain Corea |
Hell, most people spell it Captain Apologist. So I'm just happy that in your grumpy state, you even tried to get the name right. lol |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| nukeday wrote: |
Now consider the fact that the movie theaters are packed here with people watching subtitled Hollywood films starring people who don't look like them, and you really have to wonder about which audience is more jingoistic.
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C'mon, man. So basically, every single country on Earth is less jingoistic than America because they watch Hollywood films but not many Americans watch foreign films. And, actually, in my opinion people who do watch American films tend to over-praise them, seemingly for the mere fact that they are foreign. For example, I fell asleep during "Chaser," but it got pretty good reviews. "Easily the best cop thriller since The Departed." Yikes!
If Korea had a movie industry that could pump out mindless CGI-driven action movies like Transformers with an all-Korean cast and soundtrack, they would never look back. Unfortunately, the best they could do in that genre was D-war and Goemul...and those big releases are often years apart. Other than that, what other American movies do they watch?
A better question is, how many non-Korean OR American movies do Koreans watch? Find me a Korean who knows who Werner Herzog is. Hopefully he'll use a Korean actor soon.[/quote]
I have seen plenty of French and Italian films here while channel surfing. Classics too.
And a lot of people here are really into classic film stars as well. Audrey Hepburn has a huge following. Gene Kelly does pretty well as well.
But yes, they will generally watch CGI stuff from American films. I mean we are talking about masses of people for that.
Heck Americans break down their movies along racial lines even when the same language is being spoken. |
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Joe Boxer
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Location: Bundang, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Old fat expat wrote: |
| apologies for the mis-spell Captain Corea |
Hell, most people spell it Captain Apologist. So I'm just happy that in your grumpy state, you even tried to get the name right. lol |
Well, I think you should change your handle to "The First Ajossi".
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