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Malislamusrex
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I've been on this board for 1.5 years and see this kind of thread almost every week.
must be some truth to it...
If I was in charge, I would stop hiring for a year.. so only those who want to stay do, then make the jobs more competitive for employer and employee. |
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Bruce W Sims
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Illinois; USA
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Malislamusrex wrote: |
I've been on this board for 1.5 years and see this kind of thread almost every week.
must be some truth to it...
If I was in charge, I would stop hiring for a year.. so only those who want to stay do, then make the jobs more competitive for employer and employee. |
Personally, I would love to see this approach across the range of teaching positions around the World. Maybe it about time we got back to having people who WANT to teach in the classrooms and then hire administrative people as needs require. FWIW.
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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essentially what happened at GEPIK was a succesful conspiracy at the hands of korean english teachers.
For 5 years they have done everything in their power to get rid of NET's. They effectively sabotaged the program in order to try and make themselves look better. There is no other country where this has happened. Taiwan still wants FT's, Japan still wants FT's.
But the Korean nationalist teachers union drank too much of their own koolaid. |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
essentially what happened at GEPIK was a succesful conspiracy at the hands of korean english teachers.
For 5 years they have done everything in their power to get rid of NET's. They effectively sabotaged the program in order to try and make themselves look better. There is no other country where this has happened. Taiwan still wants FT's, Japan still wants FT's.
But the Korean nationalist teachers union drank too much of their own koolaid. |
I agree, overall when it comes to policy, and I would agree that Korean teachers have decided to drive out foreign teachers. It's happening at schools where that "crazy co-teacher" is just never satisfied and it's happening when the foreign teacher makes a genuine connection with students but the Korean teachers claim that "None of the students undertand you" or that "Your English confuses everyone." That means your Korean co-teachers don't know proper English and they want to drive you out of the Korean program. |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Where's that GEPIK apologist Burndog? He's seen this thread. It's been up for days. Doesn't Burndog usually post by now? Of course he does. What does he have to say? He shoots his mouth off on waygook.org about how he knows everything about GEPIK. Well, BURNDOG, IS THE RUMOR ABOUT THE HIRING FREEZE TRUE OR NOT? GEPIK TEACHERS DESERVE TO KNOW THE TRUTH.
Do you think he knows? He's part of that GEPIK inner circle that ignores the rest of the GEPIK teachers. It's a shame because GEPIK TEACHERS DESERVE TO KNOW THE TRUTH. |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| I don't care if you agree or disagree with me. But the if the GEPIK policy is that all teachers hired in March are OUT OF HERE because of "whatever" then that's just plain wrong. Teachers should be dismissed or retained based on their merits and work record. But if GEPIK already knows that there will be a hiring freeze then GEPIK should tell everyone, not just the few who have access to the "inner circle." |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| I don't care if you agree or disagree with me. But the if the GEPIK policy is that all teachers hired in March are OUT OF HERE because of "whatever" then that's just plain wrong. Teachers should be dismissed or retained based on their merits and work record. But if GEPIK already knows that there will be a hiring freeze then GEPIK should tell everyone, not just the few who have access to the "inner circle." |
who cares about other ft,s. the inner circle can get a head start before the big last minute annoucement.  |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| There is a new plan to phase out native English teachers in EPIK and GEPIK. The MOE is paying to send younger public school English teachers abroad to the United States for one year to study in community colleges to improve their English in an immersion environment. After that they will have a competent English teacher for life instead of having to pay for plane tickets to and from the U.S. (or other Western country) year after year to fly in NETs. This will save money. I confirmed this is happening from Korean professionals I met studying in the United States. |
I don't know how this government will straighten out all of the issues in the public schools and schools affiliated with private foundations. I mean, a part/full-time public schoolteacher in Korea is now regarded as the utmost 3D job. 3D as in dirty (dealing with corrupted officials), dangerous (a simple mistake would cost a career), and difficult (demanding more meaningless seminar-attending roles).
It doesn't matter if this miserable country has better native-raised English teachers someday. The whole system is imploding like the USSR. |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| There is a new plan to phase out native English teachers in EPIK and GEPIK. The MOE is paying to send younger public school English teachers abroad to the United States for one year to study in community colleges to improve their English in an immersion environment. After that they will have a competent English teacher for life instead of having to pay for plane tickets to and from the U.S. (or other Western country) year after year to fly in NETs. This will save money. I confirmed this is happening from Korean professionals I met studying in the United States. |
I don't know how this government will straighten out all of the issues in the public schools and schools affiliated with private foundations. I mean, a part/full-time public schoolteacher in Korea is now regarded as the utmost 3D job. 3D as in dirty (dealing with corrupted officials), dangerous (a simple mistake would cost a career), and difficult (demanding more meaningless seminar-attending roles).
It doesn't matter if this miserable country has better native-raised English teachers someday. The whole system is imploding like the USSR. |
it's a sure thing now since korea won the winter olympic game bid. they need to cut the buget from somewhere to prepare for it in 2018. they will have to spend billions of won to build up the infrastructures like bullet trains, stadium,etc. the first thing they'll cut will be.......you can guess what. |
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Bruce W Sims
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Illinois; USA
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:42 am Post subject: |
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| sojusucks wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
essentially what happened at GEPIK was a succesful conspiracy at the hands of korean english teachers.
For 5 years they have done everything in their power to get rid of NET's. They effectively sabotaged the program in order to try and make themselves look better. There is no other country where this has happened. Taiwan still wants FT's, Japan still wants FT's.
But the Korean nationalist teachers union drank too much of their own koolaid. |
I agree, overall when it comes to policy, and I would agree that Korean teachers have decided to drive out foreign teachers. It's happening at schools where that "crazy co-teacher" is just never satisfied and it's happening when the foreign teacher makes a genuine connection with students but the Korean teachers claim that "None of the students undertand you" or that "Your English confuses everyone." That means your Korean co-teachers don't know proper English and they want to drive you out of the Korean program. |
Not to derail a good thread; can I ask about this?
Given the xenophobic tendencies of Korean culture over the years, how might one address this in an interview or in considering a position? I know people talk about contacting a current or recent teacher and that seems simple enough. OTOH it would be really nice to have a dialogue about exactly this sort of situation-- real or imagined. I think its these sorts of insights that would help first-timers (like myself). Thoughts? Comments?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
| sojusucks wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
essentially what happened at GEPIK was a succesful conspiracy at the hands of korean english teachers.
For 5 years they have done everything in their power to get rid of NET's. They effectively sabotaged the program in order to try and make themselves look better. There is no other country where this has happened. Taiwan still wants FT's, Japan still wants FT's.
But the Korean nationalist teachers union drank too much of their own koolaid. |
I agree, overall when it comes to policy, and I would agree that Korean teachers have decided to drive out foreign teachers. It's happening at schools where that "crazy co-teacher" is just never satisfied and it's happening when the foreign teacher makes a genuine connection with students but the Korean teachers claim that "None of the students undertand you" or that "Your English confuses everyone." That means your Korean co-teachers don't know proper English and they want to drive you out of the Korean program. |
Not to derail a good thread; can I ask about this?
Given the xenophobic tendencies of Korean culture over the years, how might one address this in an interview or in considering a position? I know people talk about contacting a current or recent teacher and that seems simple enough. OTOH it would be really nice to have a dialogue about exactly this sort of situation-- real or imagined. I think its these sorts of insights that would help first-timers (like myself). Thoughts? Comments?
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
start a new newbie thread. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| There is a new plan to phase out native English teachers in EPIK and GEPIK. The MOE is paying to send younger public school English teachers abroad to the United States for one year to study in community colleges to improve their English in an immersion environment. After that they will have a competent English teacher for life instead of having to pay for plane tickets to and from the U.S. (or other Western country) year after year to fly in NETs. This will save money. I confirmed this is happening from Korean professionals I met studying in the United States. |
That's not a new plan. That's been talked about for years...yes also on these very forums.
Problem is that it will take far more than one year to have a "competent English teacher for life".
Also if they really wanted to save money, they'd hire MORE NETs and less Korean teachers. Our salaries are capped at a much lower level plus we don't get the bonuses and perks.
Never fear there will be plenty of jobs for a while yet. |
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Beeyee
Joined: 29 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| What does this mean for EPIK? I'm planning to apply for the March 2012 session with EPIK and this worries me slightly. |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| What does this mean for EPIK? I'm planning to apply for the March 2012 session with EPIK and this worries me slightly. |
it means you need to have a back up plan. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Also if they really wanted to save money, they'd hire MORE NETs and less Korean teachers. Our salaries are capped at a much lower level plus we don't get the bonuses and perks.
Never fear there will be plenty of jobs for a while yet. |
I think the government does actually want more NET's.
Problem is that they were forced to cave in to the demands of the KTU.
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| It doesn't matter if this miserable country has better native-raised English teachers someday. The whole system is imploding like the USSR. |
The way I see it going is that Parents will simply send their kids back to the hogwons to get a fix of native.
Looking back I'm not sure I would want to work for GEPIK again anyway. |
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