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Ajarn Miguk
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johnnyenglishteacher2
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And 4 of the top 20 are British, even though we've got a population of 60 million!
Get in there UK! 
(Pity that these university rankings are acknowledged as being massively biased towards anglophone countries due to citations per paper)  |
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sirius black
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| The big shock for me is Yale being 10th. Its reputation in America is no worse than 2nd best university and in the publc mind not much difference between it and Harvard. |
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northway
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| I was happy to see that my uni was holding it down in the top 30, then I saw UMass ranked 19th and all credibility was lost. |
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Hugo85
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madoka
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My school is in the top five.
Surprised to see that University of Arizona beat out Seoul National, GEORGETOWN, and DARTMOUTH!?!?!!?
They just lost all credibility.
U.S World News 2011 ranks
- Dartmouth as #9
- Georgetown as #21
- University of Arizona as #120 |
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Highwayman
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| People randomly choose which university ranking to cite, saying "My university is in the top 20 in the world." Of course, in other rankings, it's only top 200. The rankings are so wildly inconsistent (with the exception of the top 5) that you can't put that much trust in them. |
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johnnyenglishteacher2
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| Highwayman wrote: |
| People randomly choose which university ranking to cite, saying "My university is in the top 20 in the world." Of course, in other rankings, it's only top 200. The rankings are so wildly inconsistent (with the exception of the top 5) that you can't put that much trust in them. |
The two most widely respected ones are QS and Times Higher Ed, which are fairly consistent. Of course there can never be any definitive answer because even though you can come up with ways of objectively measuring performance, you then have to choose how much weight to give all of these factors, which is subjective.
So I wouldn't put too much stock in these - you know whether your university's any good or not and besides, it's more about going somewhere which teaches YOUR subject well - if I wanted to study Computing, for example, Cambridge and Oxford might not be the best places to go. |
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northway
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Ah, not the reputation list. Got it. The list still makes no sense though. |
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RangerMcGreggor
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| UW is 23rd mofos |
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No_hite_pls
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| My University is rated higher than any in South Korea including Seoul National University yet I am still labeled an assistant teacher. Yeah! |
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visitorq
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Why would anyone believe a word of any of this crap? As if universities can be tidily ranked in a vertical hierarchical order based on some peoples' worthless subjective opinions. These rankings are laughably biased (that Canada supposedly ranks higher overall than Japan pretty much says it all  )...
I'd like to see a list based on objective facts - such as which graduates from which universities (or from which individual faculties, more realistically) have the highest employment rate and go on to make the most money. |
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northway
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| visitorq wrote: |
Why would anyone believe a word of any of this crap? As if universities can be tidily ranked in a vertical hierarchical order based on some peoples' worthless subjective opinions. These rankings are laughably biased (that Canada supposedly ranks higher overall than Japan pretty much says it all )...
I'd like to see a list based on objective facts - such as which graduates from which universities (or from which individual faculties, more realistically) have the highest employment rate and go on to make the most money. |
This is not the only goal of education, nor should it be. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:04 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
Why would anyone believe a word of any of this crap? As if universities can be tidily ranked in a vertical hierarchical order based on some peoples' worthless subjective opinions. These rankings are laughably biased (that Canada supposedly ranks higher overall than Japan pretty much says it all )...
I'd like to see a list based on objective facts - such as which graduates from which universities (or from which individual faculties, more realistically) have the highest employment rate and go on to make the most money. |
This is not the only goal of education, nor should it be. |
Whether it "should" be or not, it most certainly is the goal (for most people). You're not paying $50k a year to Harvard so you get a part-time job flipping burgers...
Anyway, my only point was that making a list of the best universities based on subjective criteria is beyond pointless. Rankings should only be based on objective facts. |
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Hugo85
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| visitorq wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
Why would anyone believe a word of any of this crap? As if universities can be tidily ranked in a vertical hierarchical order based on some peoples' worthless subjective opinions. These rankings are laughably biased (that Canada supposedly ranks higher overall than Japan pretty much says it all )...
I'd like to see a list based on objective facts - such as which graduates from which universities (or from which individual faculties, more realistically) have the highest employment rate and go on to make the most money. |
This is not the only goal of education, nor should it be. |
Whether it "should" be or not, it most certainly is the goal (for most people). You're not paying $50k a year to Harvard so you get a part-time job flipping burgers...
Anyway, my only point was that making a list of the best universities based on subjective criteria is beyond pointless. Rankings should only be based on objective facts. |
The times ranking is 34.5% subjective, the rest is objective. |
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