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shendallandkelly
Joined: 04 Sep 2003
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 Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:21 pm Post subject: Teach Privates Legally? |
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I'm looking for a way to teach privates legally and have had two ideas.
1. Start my own English teaching business and teach private instead of classroom. I have checked out EFL-Law and they said something about needing to put up about 50,000,000 Won as a sign of foreign investment. What kind of a visa would you need for that? I also heard a rumor that there are legitimate businesses in Seoul that teach privates. Don't got any idea how this works but it sounds great.
2. Get a visa that ties me to an academy for a minimal amount of hours (maybe 5 a week or something) and allows me to teach privately outside of that.
So, does anyone know if either of those ideas could actually fly legally? |
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J.B. Clamence
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: Teach Privates Legally? |
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| shendallandkelly wrote: |
| 1. Start my own English teaching business and teach private instead of classroom. I have checked out EFL-Law and they said something about needing to put up about 50,000,000 Won as a sign of foreign investment. What kind of a visa would you need for that? I also heard a rumor that there are legitimate businesses in Seoul that teach privates. Don't got any idea how this works but it sounds great. |
What kind of visa would you get to do this legally is a very good question. I'm not absolutely certain, but I don't think you can do this as a foreigner.
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| 2. Get a visa that ties me to an academy for a minimal amount of hours (maybe 5 a week or something) and allows me to teach privately outside of that. |
Even if your academy is willing to look the other way, it's still illegal. Do-able, yes. Legal, no. But again, what kind of visa could you get if you were only teaching 5 hours a week? Who's going to get you a visa for that? |
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rok_the-boat
Joined: 24 Jan 2004
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| You can have your own business - no problemo. Just a lot of paperwork to sort out first, and a lot of ignorant bureaucrats who give you contrary advice - I know 'cause I tried - but have yet to start anything - just got so annoyed with the lack of clear information. I like to know exactly where I am so I can know where I am going but such is not easy. The way I was informed, I could invest a lot of money and then end up not being allowed to get the business licence I want for some reason - like maybe - gimme a bribe or something - it is just not clear, or, it is but they purposefully add shades of grey for 'some' reason. |
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Homer
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In this case you re better off owning your own business.
However teaching to groups is still better then to single students (in my opinion).
As for an academy sponsoring your for a visa for a 5 hour work week, that is just not possible.
Like R the Boat said, it might be possible but not legal to do so.
Good luck with that. |
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Juggertha
Joined: 27 May 2003
Location: Anyang, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 4:02 am Post subject: Re: Teach Privates Legally? |
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| J.B. Clamence wrote: |
| shendallandkelly wrote: |
| 1. Start my own English teaching business and teach private instead of classroom. I have checked out EFL-Law and they said something about needing to put up about 50,000,000 Won as a sign of foreign investment. What kind of a visa would you need for that? I also heard a rumor that there are legitimate businesses in Seoul that teach privates. Don't got any idea how this works but it sounds great. |
What kind of visa would you get to do this legally is a very good question. I'm not absolutely certain, but I don't think you can do this as a foreigner.
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| 2. Get a visa that ties me to an academy for a minimal amount of hours (maybe 5 a week or something) and allows me to teach privately outside of that. |
Even if your academy is willing to look the other way, it's still illegal. Do-able, yes. Legal, no. But again, what kind of visa could you get if you were only teaching 5 hours a week? Who's going to get you a visa for that? |
#1-YOU CAN OWN YOUR OWN CORPORATION HERE. All you need is 50 million. That is a for sure thing (been there, done that). You could try to opperate/own a "normal" business (not inc) but good luck with visa status on that one.
#2-the others are right.. whether your accademy likes it or not.. its illegal. they could "lease" you out and you might be able to benifit from that.. but good luck. |
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shendallandkelly
Joined: 04 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 5:03 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the advice. I now understand that I can't teach on the side while working at an academy, so next is looking at starting a business. Anybody else got more info on where you look into starting this process and what the deal with visas is?
I am not married to a Korean, so no F-2s or F-1s(sorry I forget which one you can get for being married).
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prairieboy
Joined: 14 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 5:14 am Post subject: |
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Check out the D-8 Visa. That may be the one you are looking for that will allow you to do this.
Cheers |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Check out the Job Information Journal. There's a new entry this month that talks about this very subject. 
I have never tried this, so how would I know, but the post is interesting anyway.
Cheers |
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phaedrus
Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: I'm comin' to get ya.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Is this the one some waygug-in?
| Alan Ruals from Korea Job Information Journal wrote: |
... speak up!
By the law, You are entitled to work outside the school you work for, UNLESS YOU SIGN a contract that takes that right away from you!
Recently there has been a lot of arrests of teachers, by the Immigration Korea. These arrests are due to the recent anti-west feelings (amongst radical groups) that took the form of a few journalists' complaints, and their saying that teachers send too much money out of Korea.
So, before you sign a new contract, tell the school or recruiter that you Want this sentence in your contract: 'The teacher is allowed to teach private students or to work elsewhere, in his off school time.'
Just that easy. And most schools will agree to let you use your legal rights. And think why should a teacher work for a school that doesn't want him to spend his free time the way he wants to!
GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL TEACHERS |
Do you guys think it is this easy? I don't. But who knows? |
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The Lemon
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| I don't either. And I don't believe it's our job to prove him wrong. He tells a nice little story about "anti-Western journalism" and "Immigration Korea" (who?), but thre's nothing to back it up. It'd be much better for the author of that post to provide some sort of support (links? quotes of the law?) for his claims, and he hasn't. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:56 am Post subject: |
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That's it. I can't say I would know the legalities of this, but I have read numerous times on this forum that if your boss gives you permission, it's OK. But you have to get it approved by immigration as well. So I don't know exactly how that works. If anyone out there knows, could you shed some light on this subject.
Thanks |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:07 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
| I can't say I would know the legalities of this, but I have read numerous times on this forum that if your boss gives you permission, it's OK. |
This forum says a lot of things that aren't true. |
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Homer
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Gord was right the eye,
Its immigration that can do something not the labour board.
Same deal applies however: the letter of release is due you by law. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
| I can't say I would know the legalities of this, but I have read numerous times on this forum that if your boss gives you permission, it's OK. |
This forum says a lot of things that aren't true. |
True enough. But then, so do most contracts.  |
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phaedrus
Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: I'm comin' to get ya.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
| I can't say I would know the legalities of this, but I have read numerous times on this forum that if your boss gives you permission, it's OK. |
This forum says a lot of things that aren't true. |
And not enough people post something useful instead of witty replies......
When I had a discussion with my old boss about if I could work a second job she said it is forbidden in my contract. I said how about when I renew?
Then she said that she spends a lot of money sponsoring me and paying for an apartment. I said I have an F2 and my wife sponsors me, and that as long as I am fulfilling my original contract it is not an issue about the housing. That is a contract perk for completing contract work.
Then she said that the she considers that she owns my English rights in Korea. Needless to say this was one of the few remaining conversations we ever had again.
I think that immigration doesn't really know what they allow. Some people got a tutoring licence from the Ministry of Education, but when I phoned they said you can't do this.
If your employer allows you then you can work at two separate locations with immigration permission, but they need two contracts I imagine. Privates don't offer contracts usually.
The longer I'm in Korea the more I hate Korean government offices. |
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