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thomas pars



Joined: 29 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:06 am    Post subject: Is kindie really that bad? Reply with quote

So I got a job offer to teach a 9-6 kindie job. Pays 2.4.

I've taught kindie classes twice a week for 40 minutes at my previous elementary job. It was tough work. But they were pretty darn cute.

It is either this or a high school job in Bucheon.

Thanks.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:24 am    Post subject: Re: Is kindie really that bad? Reply with quote

thomas pars wrote:
So I got a job offer to teach a 9-6 kindie job. Pays 2.4.

I've taught kindie classes twice a week for 40 minutes at my previous elementary job. It was tough work. But they were pretty darn cute.

It is either this or a high school job in Bucheon.

Thanks.


It is NOT that bad BUT it is also NOT for everyone.
It takes a special kind of person to deal with very young learners and their needs coupled with their development. They are NOT small versions of big kids.

If you are willing to take the time to get yourself actually up to speed on the foundation stages of early childhood development (what they learn, when they learn it and how they acquire knowledge and skills) then you will do fine.

If not, then head for the high school job.

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jlemky



Joined: 23 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My husband and I love teaching kindergarten, but I agree with the above poster - you have to like little kids and appreciate that they are, well, little kids. I teach 3 and half year olds to six year olds, and it is a huge difference from year to year. Kindergarten takes a lot of energy and interaction - the kids don't have the skills (in any language!) to sit and do a project for 20 minutes. They are learning discipline, playing nicely, boundaries, friendship, all for the first time! This means you get a bigger challenge, for the kids haven't been "trained" yet - BUT you don't have any "broken" kids who have been wrecked by bad schooling either.

So - it takes a lot of energy, the kids are full of it, but if you like that kind of an interactive job versus a more academic job, then go for kindie!
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furtakk



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the hardest part about kindie for me is the long day. if kindie jobs had similar hours to afternoon jobs (6-7 hour shifts with prep) they would be great. the problem with kindie in korea is that nearly every hagwon that has a kindergarten program tries to maximize on their workers by having them teach from morning to 6 or 7PM. it's just too exhausting.
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

furtakk wrote:
the hardest part about kindie for me is the long day. if kindie jobs had similar hours to afternoon jobs (6-7 hour shifts with prep) they would be great. the problem with kindie in korea is that nearly every hagwon that has a kindergarten program tries to maximize on their workers by having them teach from morning to 6 or 7PM. it's just too exhausting.


+1 on this.

As above - it has to be who you are. Me I can teach elementary and middle school and even older no problem. The few times I taught kindy I almost went over the edge. Some people can cut it others can not.

Consider more then just liking cute kids you will develop a tolerance to cute after a while. You have to have a tolerance for chaos and understand you will have more responsibility. The young ones take a whole lot more energy.

Also consider checking if you will be teamed up with a Korean coteacher. Having one who can help wrangle and translate with the kids is a blessing. Also see what responsibilities you will have. Some people are surprised when they are told that lunch is to be with the kids and you have to help cook and feed them.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skippy wrote:
Some people are surprised when they are told that lunch is to be with the kids and you have to help cook and feed them.
Personally, I'd have trouble cooking them.
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marsavalanche



Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

did it for a month. i can barely do 1st grade. if you have to think about it dont do it. if you are that desperate for the extra cash you could make it work
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dumpring



Joined: 06 Apr 2010
Location: Auckland, NZ

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doing a 9:30-6:30 at the moment. It's mostly just supervising games and activities with the younger kids rather than teaching.
You're with them for a long time though,
10:00-12:00 (2x10minute break)
1:00-2:30(1x10minute break)
3:20-4:50(1x10minute break)
5:10-6:30(1x10minute break)

See the same kids every day too so it's more like being a homeroom teacher. We aren't required to help with lunch etc but the days are rather long. If you don't have a good Korean staff to help manage kids and prep it could be hellish.
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Modernist



Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Location: The 90s

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've taught kindie classes twice a week for 40 minutes at my previous elementary job. It was tough work. But they were pretty darn cute.


All I can say is the cute wears off quick when they won't listen to ANYTHING you are saying or decide that standing on their seats all class is a good idea and there is no way to communicate to them even for the purpose of punishment [which is hard enough at that age even if they DO understand your language].

Seriously, are you going to care about 'cuteness' 6 months in or are you going to be the guy from a few weeks ago who told us about how the 'little monsters' were making him go bald?

I'm with marsavalance on this. I can barely stand my 1st/2nd graders twice a week--all-day all-kinder would about kill me. And I also remember what all the Korean teachers in my ES say, which is that NONE of them would ever choose to teach kinder.

Take the high school and don't look back. A couple hundred thousand extra a month is NOT worth it.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Modernist wrote:
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I've taught kindie classes twice a week for 40 minutes at my previous elementary job. It was tough work. But they were pretty darn cute.


All I can say is the cute wears off quick when they won't listen to ANYTHING you are saying or decide that standing on their seats all class is a good idea and there is no way to communicate to them even for the purpose of punishment [which is hard enough at that age even if they DO understand your language].

Seriously, are you going to care about 'cuteness' 6 months in or are you going to be the guy from a few weeks ago who told us about how the 'little monsters' were making him go bald?

I'm with marsavalance on this. I can barely stand my 1st/2nd graders twice a week--all-day all-kinder would about kill me. And I also remember what all the Korean teachers in my ES say, which is that NONE of them would ever choose to teach kinder.

Take the high school and don't look back. A couple hundred thousand extra a month is NOT worth it.


Some people have it and some people don't, but I will say this: you are the adult. As such, getting them to sit down really isn't difficult. While getting a new kindergarten class can be a bit of a bear for a week or two, they adjust very, very quickly given their age.

Also bear in mind that young kids coming in the afternoon are completely different than young kids who spend their entire day at the school. My school has some afternoon kindergarten kids, and yeah, their behavior tends to be a bit more difficult than that of the kids I have my in my home room.

Teaching kinder you see serious results very quickly, as the kids pick up on everything you're saying. Moreover, you sometimes get some really, really high level kids at a young age. The strongest kindergarten class at my school writes paragraphs and reads Goosebumps, for context.

That said, I would never, ever sign up to teach a five year old class. The dividing line between five and six is massive. Six years are young, but they still act like people. Five years are off in their own respective little worlds and have no clue what you're talking about.

I like how people who have never taught kindergarten are experts on it.
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Kaypea



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teaching kindy was the single most horrifying experience of my life. I think if you suspect it could be difficult for you, don't do it. You have to be firm without ever really being angry. You have to actually like singing songs. You can't be too sensitive to strangely cruel little insults, like, "Teacher, I don't like you. I only like x teacher." You have to be one of those people little kids always like.
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Modernist



Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Location: The 90s

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I like how people who have never taught kindergarten are experts on it.


Me: Not even close to an expert, on teaching ANY grade. Didn't claim to be.

But I think it is entirely reasonable to extrapolate from 1st graders. Kinders are them minus a year. I DON'T think they change all that much in one year.

I'm happy you're happy doing it. Thank God at least someone is. But really, don't exaggerate the number of people who 'have it.' It's not very many, and you know it. Why do you think kinder hagwons have such high runner numbers? Why are there more kinder job listings than any other level? It's because a lot of people are like marsavalanche, think it isn't that bad before they start, then they get in a class and are like 'hell, no' and then suddenly there's one of the many ASAP postings on Dave's.
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SeoulNate



Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I loved teaching kindergarten here, but, and it is a BIG but, I only worked until 3:30 in the afternoon.

If I had worked the 9:30-6 or 7 pm shift I would have gone crazy. It is just too much teaching. You simply cannot be an effective teacher when you are in the classroom for more than 5-6 hours a day. Especially when 4 of those hours are going to be kindergarten which takes a lot more up front prep than the other grades.

My advice? Avoid any school that has you working from 9:30-6 or 7.
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Illysook



Joined: 30 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I loved singing songs with my kindies but I did not have them all day long. I had elementary aged students in the afternoon. That first year was tough.

Last year, I taught at a public high school. They don't cooperate any better than kindies, but due to exams and whatnot, you wll have more downtime. If those are your choices and if the money is similar, take the high school.

This year, I will work at a hagwon where I will teach adults. Motivated learners are a luxury that can be had with a year or two of experience...and my CELTA certificate didn't hurt either.
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NohopeSeriously



Joined: 17 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't mind teaching kindies. They were more motivated than 4th graders who loved celebrities, games, soccer and cellphone accessories.

Protip: kindies love Pororo.
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