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Is kindie really that bad?
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ChopChaeJoe



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really have insurmountable problems getting them to sit still for 40 minutes, be quiet when others are talking, read, write, having standards of behavior and performance, etc. It's a long process, difficult at times, but it can definitely be done with a bit of empathy, creativity, and reenforcement. The biggest problems are howons changing rules all the time, messing up the curriculum, dropping new students into classes with (relativel) salty students, ... It's not for everyone.
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ssuprnova



Joined: 17 Dec 2010
Location: Saigon

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes.

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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Modernist wrote:
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I like how people who have never taught kindergarten are experts on it.


Me: Not even close to an expert, on teaching ANY grade. Didn't claim to be.

But I think it is entirely reasonable to extrapolate from 1st graders. Kinders are them minus a year. I DON'T think they change all that much in one year.

I'm happy you're happy doing it. Thank God at least someone is. But really, don't exaggerate the number of people who 'have it.' It's not very many, and you know it. Why do you think kinder hagwons have such high runner numbers? Why are there more kinder job listings than any other level? It's because a lot of people are like marsavalanche, think it isn't that bad before they start, then they get in a class and are like 'hell, no' and then suddenly there's one of the many ASAP postings on Dave's.


It's reasonable to extrapolate first grade to kindy if you're talking afternoon classes a couple times a week. It's completely different if you're talking about kids who spend five hours a day immersed in an English speaking environment. Moreover, if you haven't worked at a school with a kindergarten program, I'm assuming the first graders you're dealing with haven't been through an immersion program, and are thus really low level. That's not what you get with kindergartners. My current class started in March and is already stronger than the kids who have been doing those afternoon classes for years. I know what you're talking about in regards to the first graders, as I've taught kids like that as well, but it doesn't compare in the least. In any case, of the dozens of people I've known who taught kindy, the vast majority of them were quite happy with their jobs.
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happiness



Joined: 04 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive done it for 6+ years! Why? (I ask myself that too!)

I have a great boss who appreciates my chill attitude and my repore with the kids. I also speak Korean. Ive taught in a high school (which was great, but the funding ran out), business English in Gangnam for 2 years (didnt like it, the people were just too depressed), and I taught a hagwon in Haeundae (when there werent many hagwons in Haeundae). I liked that, but the difference is a good boss (who Im rather close with, known her for years) and a decent support system, not a GREAT support system, but at least something.) I start at 10 (i arrive 9:45-50 ish) and finish 4:40 but I usually hang around a bit helping the teachers look after the afterschool kids (basically starting the computer and firing up tom and jerry reruns). Ive gone and been asked back 3 times. Im not the only one, one of my married buddies is also like me (he just left his school again becuase he got a big corporation job he wanted it). They also pay me a rather decent wage (more than most in this position)

id say its the boss, your personality, your expectations, and your attitude.
but Ill say its your boss and your attitude the most.

i have bad moments (i yell at the kids alot, but I also pay alot of attention to them and i know all of their Korean names), but its strange, its a big part of me now. Maybe Ill quit again next year, but you never know.
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Gorf



Joined: 25 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would never take a job that's more than 8 hours of working time per day. Anything more is just selling yourself too cheap.
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marsavalanche



Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poly teachers have to wear a suit to work--teaching kindergarten.

I still crack up at that when I'm going to work at 1230, and leaving before their "FML" facebook status at 6.
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DorkothyParker



Joined: 11 Apr 2009
Location: Jeju

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love my kindy kids about a billion times more than my 1st, 2nd, and 3rd grade kids.
They are much sweeter. Generally when they misbehave it's because they are kids and not out of intentional disrespect.

It's frickin' exhausting though.
Protip: Never pick one up or you will find yourself picking up 20 more just to go to the bathroom. And then you will feel really sad about that one fat 7-year-old that you can't hang upside-down like the others. Sad
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ChopChaeJoe



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I yelled at students my first 3 years or so, but I don't any more. It doesn't really work, just leads to more yelling and more noise pollution. They can tell you mean it by your tone and body language. Besides that, I think it's unprofessional.
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I taught in a public school kindergarden for one semester in a small city a year ago. It was an experiement by the local education office. I taught at 5 kindys 5 days a week. I mostly enjoyed the experience. The Korean Co-teachers had terrible English, though. In the morning, I follwed the recommended curriculum with the Co-Teachers. I basically let them plan everything for the mornings. They had a national curriculum they had to follow anyways. They spoke poor and improper English to the kids and I simply stepped in to speak it correctly. In the afternoons, I taught my own material. I bought some funky picture cards, used a compter and big screen TV and played songs, cartoon, and sesame street videos from Youtube. I also spoke basic level Korean which helped. I showed up at 9:30 and left at 3:30.

Don't think I'd like the long hours of a private Kindy though. If it were a little shorter and they gave me a TV Screen and computer to use for teaching, then I wouldn't mind. I speak basic level Korean. I couldn't imagine doing it without some Korean ability. It would probably be hell to control the kids.
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