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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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I would say auto-racing is a sport though. The physical strain is pretty significant.
And those tires and stuff ain't light. The pit crew has to be in shape and in sync.
But as for golf...definitely at sport's precipice. |
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Triban
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Agreed, though as for sport concern, I would rank it golf being the least, then racing (driver) followed by the more traditional sports that require full body movement. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| isisaredead wrote: |
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| and golf isn't even a sport. It's a leisure activity. |
what did you just say? |
I said golf isn't a sport, it's a leisure activity
albeit a challenging leisure activity.
but not challenging from an athletic standpoint.
Colin Montgomery is old and fat and probably throws like a girl, but was a top ranked golfer for many many years. It's a "sport" for older/fatter people can't really play sports. So they play golf.
maybe I'll try golf when I'm 80 and I can't do anything else.
it's very telling that all the top notch real life athletes get hooked on golf (and suck at it). These are genetic freaks who were blessed with unreal athleticism which makes all real sports come easy to them, but they completely suck at golf.. and this fascinates them.
they suck at golf because their innate athleticism is useless. It's not a sport in my book unless it's athletic.
it's a stretch to call car racing a sport also. |
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isisaredead
Joined: 18 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:56 am Post subject: |
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right: so for something to be classified as a "sport", one must be running towards a bunch of other men, carrying an oddly shaped ball, ready to be gruffly fondled in a thinly-veiled homage to the homosexual orgies of ancient days.
gotcha.
"golf isn't a sport because it's not physically demanding." fantastic. for what it's worth, you guys have given me a much needed gut-laugh. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:24 am Post subject: |
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no, the original concept of "sport" centered around the concept of the ancient Greek Olympics. Those activities required varying degrees of athleticism.
today, as the world overflows with the unathletic and fat, everything is a "sport". Golf is barely more a sport than say.. chess. On par with say bacci ball or croquet.
you can call anything/everything "sport" these days. For e.g. how many hotdogs one can eat in one minute. That's a "sport" now.
but then you cannot call people who play sports, athletes. You'll have to start distinguishing the two.
or label real sports athletic sports.. and the others.. just "sports". |
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isisaredead
Joined: 18 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:05 am Post subject: |
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fair enough.
i feel that golf is as much a sport as any other in that it requires a certain level of skill, training (both PHYSICAL and mental), and competitive behaviour to make it such. golf IS physically demanding, and you only need to check out tiger's guns (for example). for that reason, golfers ARE athletes - just perhaps not in your strict hierarchy of requirements.
i'm willing to agree to disagree. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| isisaredead wrote: |
fair enough.
i feel that golf is as much a sport as any other in that it requires a certain level of skill, training (both PHYSICAL and mental), and competitive behaviour to make it such. golf IS physically demanding, and you only need to check out tiger's guns (for example). for that reason, golfers ARE athletes - just perhaps not in your strict hierarchy of requirements.
i'm willing to agree to disagree. |
Tiger's about the only golfer who has applied himself physically and has some innate athletic talents and I'm not sure how much it's really helped him. Perhaps a little.. when he was able to drive the ball much farther than his competition, but now you have dweebs half his size doing the same thing.
golf's physical demands are very small. A stronger than average back perhaps. The torque generated by the swing eventually takes its toll.
but the classic athletic attributes of strength, speed and endurance are of almost NO consequence in golf.
which is why you had 60 year old Tom Watson leading a major thru 2 rounds a couple of years, ago, which is why you had that fat Scottish guy, Colin Montgomery and which is why you have the decidedly unathletic Phil Mickelson.. Even the new 'star', whatshis name. Rory McIlroy is basically an unathletic dweeb.
because speed, power and endurance are inconsequential. It's mental toughness, concentration and muscle memory. Nothing more.
which is aqlso why you have decidedly unathletic Korean females who have probably never done anything athletic in their lives now dominating the women's game.
your definition of sport simply differs from mine. If it doesn't involve at least some measure of speed, power and or/endurance, I'm very leery of referring to it as a "sport".
other than the drinking/socializing aspect, the reason for golf's appeal, especially among the fat North Americans and the unathletic (Koreans, Japanese) is obvious. You take the 50 year old guy with the big old beer gut or just your average everyday guy who's never done anything athletic in his life and they can both be "sportsmen" or "athletes" by playing golf  |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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In golf's defense, and this is with a lot of the other fringe "sports", it requires a great deal coordination, which is a major part of sport.
Question: Is dance a sport? |
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teachyou1004
Joined: 29 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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On a more serious sportsminded note: What particularly the Korean women excel in is coachability. They are trained very well both technically and mentally. Their golf swings, short game, and especially their putting is what brought these girls onto the LPGA. Most have technically wonderful repetitive swings that hold up under pressure, and they learned this through hard work, dedication, and being coachable. Sponsors might doll them up or give them a look to stand out, but bottom line: you won't find a better swing than Choi Na-yeon's or a putting stroke as good as Shin Ji-yai. This group of girls from a very special generation in golf history decided to become golfers after seeing Pak Seri win the US Open as a 21 or 22 year old...inspired a complete generation of youngsters (just wait for all the figure skaters in 2020!).
Historically the biggest achievements for Korean women athletics have been field hockey, archery, badmitton, table tennis, and other things that nobody really watches. However, I believe their crowning achievement was in the 86 Los Angeles Olympics when they took a silver in basketball of all sports. It took a US team lead by arguably the best female basketball ever (Cheryl Miller) to stop them. I doubt they will ever get back to that level, but if you watch a few minutes of Korean women's hoops they don't make many mental mistakes. |
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Triban
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Korea: Brainwashing at it's finest! (Circa 1000 B.C.) |
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Sector7G
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| rainism is confusing 'sport" with "athletics". For example, billiards is a sport, but not an athletic sport. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Sector7G wrote: |
| rainism is confusing 'sport" with "athletics". For example, billiards is a sport, but not an athletic sport. |
the meaning of the word has been usurped and perverted from the original Greek Olympic ideal.
as I mentioned, "competitive eating" is a "sport" today.
it's a joke.
I can handle you calling these leisure activities sports.. but I get upset if the people that play them are then referred to as athletes.
p.s. I'll agree coordination is a part of the "athletic" definition, and golf does have that particular component. |
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isisaredead
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| it's all good, dude. i'm arguing that golfers ARE athletes, but i can completely understand how you wouldn't agree, given your criteria. |
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010
Location: On the mainland again
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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The current numbers one and two in amateur golf are also both Korean's who live in New Zealand. The number one is 14 yrs old the number two is 16yrs old.
I think if you've played any sort of golf, you'd agree its a sport, its a lot harder than it looks |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| That girl with the orange skirt is hot! |
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