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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:30 am Post subject: |
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recessiontime

Joined: 21 Jun 2010 Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| its pointless to go after him in Korea, whether it is civil or criminal court. He can just leave and nothing will stick. Thats why you have to contact the Greek embassy. |
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Panda

Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:05 am Post subject: |
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I contacted the Chinese embassy the day before yesterday and they called the police officers yesterday and told the police they were concerned about the case and wanted to get updated. (I got a call from the police right after that and was asked if I was a communist party member, to which my answer is "yes", although I didn't see any connection with this case)
I went to the police station this morning and got lots of questions asked. After that they let me go home and said all I had to do is just to wait.
I then visited a Korean lawyer, he suggested me not to press a civil charge against him because the compensation I possibly get would be less than twice of my hospital bill. He asked me to get another settlement once the prosecutor asked me if I wanted to continue or withdraw the case, in that case I might get more money. but if I said yes, that also means he would be free from getting punished.
I think I might call the Greek embassy tomorrow, but I wonder how much they are gonna care or believe someone from another country. I assume they will speak for their own citizen. |
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Panda

Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:10 am Post subject: |
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I got some private messages, and I really appreciate people who don't even know me are willing to help. So far I haven't told my family anything about this because it definitely will shock them. But I know I am not fighting alone.
The police officer called me last night, telling me they did investigation into this Greek guy. However just as I expected, they told me what he said was very different from my complaint, thus they needed to put us together and do more investigation.
In Korea, the police assume everyone is innocent until proved to be guilty. As a result, they didn't arrest him ( they asked me a strange question "do you want me to arrest him?" ) , just visited him and asked questions. They even let him to put off the next investigation to Sunday ( originally it was today), because he told the police "he is so busy" ( WT*??? )...
When I showed the police I was not happy about the fact they let him manipulate us (again) and I wanted to meet at the original time, the police asked: what is the reason you prefer to meet earlier than later? ...........I was then speechless.
I hope the prosecuter later appointed to me will be a little bit tougher...  |
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Panda

Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 3:51 am Post subject: |
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I went to the police station again today, and sat with the Greek guy and his lawyer, getting questioned.
It turned out the Greek guy hired Kevin Kim whom I originally wanted to ask to help me ( I even wrote him an email to tell the whole story), Kevin Kim used to write articles on Busan Haps offerring legal service for expats in Korea, I guess many of you have heard of him.
I was a little bit pissed when I saw Kevin Kim this morning, because he once told my lawyer friend he would not take care of this case because he also realized the Greek guy was an asshole, but I really couldn't blame him since this is his job.
Anyway, this morning, the Greek guy started to lie blatantly in front of us, stating he never stopped me from leaving his home and he never beat me, and he said my hospitalization was caused by a ski accident and a scooter accident that happened 4 months and 1 month ago, seperately.
His lies just helped me so much (I should thank him for being so stupid).
In the end, the police asked me if I wanted this guy to get punished or not, I said yes, and he asked why (to some extent he couldn't understand my intention, and he said he never in his life saw a woman pushed an ex-bf so much and so badly wanted him to get punished).
I told him: I saw what this guy did to me (he almost killed me), and to other women, and I know he is going to do it to others again and again ( that's what a women abuser does), if the Korean police is not gonna protect their own women from being abused by such an asshole, who else should? I won't care either in the end if no action is taken. Then all people there went quiet.
The police asked him what he thought he did wrong that day and what results he would expect in future, he said:
I regretted I didn't call the security guard to get her out of my apartment that day, I expect this case end soon so that I can go back to my normal life and Panda get punished for telling lies.
I thought: wow, that's very unsympathetic to a woman you just almost beat to death...police won't like you.
Kevin Kim sat still throughout the whole interrogation, I guessed he wanted to knock his head against a wall as well.
Koreans are still taking it a big deal of what Japanese did to the Korean comfort women 60 years ago. I will find it unacceptable and ridiculous if none Korean gives a dime that many of their women are actually being abused today by the foreigners like this Greek guy. (edit. sorry if you find the last statement offensive, but you should not if you are not a woman abuser.)
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ZIFA
Joined: 23 Feb 2011 Location: Dici che il fiume..Trova la via al mare
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| Panda wrote: |
| I will find it unacceptable and ridiculous if none Korean gives a dime that many of their women are actually being abused today by the foreigners like this Greek guy. |
Oh the problem is quite the opposite. Korean men care far too much about what foreign men are doing to "their" women.
Its a foreign guy, you're a korean female, and this is korea... so it would not surprise me if they give him a life sentence and put the story on national news. Accompanied by warnings not to date foreign men.
Conversely, Korean men can beat up Korean women however they please and nothing is ever said or done about it. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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Panda's ethnically Chinese if I'm not mistaken....
Anyways, keep on grinding and holding their feet to the fire...And a hopeful recovery.... |
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Panda

Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:13 am Post subject: |
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Wow, I can't believe, now I am a suspect.
This afternoon, I got a call from the police station, in the first place, I thought it was a notification or extra investigation or something like that from the police. However I was told the Greek guy filed a complaint of physically assualt. Immediately I became a suspect.
My Korean reporter friend told me the Greek was obviously adviced by his Korean friend or lawyer to do so, and he told me in Korea this trick works~!
I am going to the prosecutor office tomorrow, the prosecutor is a woman, two of my friends who have been helping me have already visited her and told me she is a nice lady but like everybody else, she didn't think what the Greek guy did was bad enough to end in prison.
Basically, not many people understand the nature of a spleen rupture, which is an emergency condition with a mortality of 10-20% even after hospitalization, higher if one gets no treatment or delayed treatment, however it is a condition with good prognosis once treated properly.
Both the police and the prosecutor judge the severity by the time spent in hospital and my current situation, that's why they told me my case (10 days hospitalization and I am now fine) was not serious enough, which I think it is totally wrong, my Korean friend had a hand surgery and he stayed in hospital for 2 months.
I want to play the nice weak vulnerable victim to get more sympathy, but I can't in front of a trash like him. |
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recessiontime

Joined: 21 Jun 2010 Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:12 am Post subject: |
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Have you contacted the Greek embassy yet?
Keep us posted. |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe you could get some sort of report from the doctor detailing the serious nature of your injury?
It's absolutely disgusting what this guy is trying to do to weasel out of this somehow. He should be ashamed of himself, though apparently he has no shame with which to do that. |
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Panda

Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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@Zyzyfer: yes, I will go to the doctor and ask again for a paper.
@recessiontime: I have not called yet, I don't know what to say to the embassy, what help/reaction should I expect from them? (Your suggestion?)
Yesterday I went to see the prosecutor, she is very young and nice, but she repeated to me this case was not serious enough and this guy would possibly only get some monetary penalty, which means this case will end before it goes to the trial. (something made me mad is that she was assuming he was not that bad partly based on his job, position and social status, what if he was a foreign labor rather than a manager?)
During the conversation I noticed she had a big bandaid on her arm, my lawyer friend told me it was a bruise last time which she had covered, he said: if the prosecutor herself is a victim of domestic violence, she might not take your case seriously.
Well, that was mere our assumption.
I met my Korean lawyer yesterday as well, he thought my case was serious enough and the prosecutor was not doing her job , and adviced me to write a letter to the head prosecutor.
Currently, my friends are writing a petition letter to the head prosecutor, we will get as many signitures as possible from foreigners. Bad guys like the Greek guy was damaging the reputation of all foreigners in Korea. We want him to get out of this country. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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I told him: I saw what this guy did to me (he almost killed me), and to other women, and I know he is going to do it to others again and again ( that's what a women abuser does), if the Korean police is not gonna protect their own women from being abused by such an asshole, who else should? |
at the risk of sounding very insensitive which i'm not trying to be, i'm going to play bad cop here.
let me preface by saying i do not condone any physical or mental violence on females, let alone any person at all.
but the thing that makes me wonder is why people in your situation tend to feel 100% like a victim when you could have prevented this from ever happening yourself. you had previously said that he abused you and yet you chose not to leave him. okay, so he was persistent but so are mormons and other crazy people, and that doesn't mean you have to say yes to them.
maybe it's me who's crazy, but if my partner ever started to act irrationally, even mentally just once, i would take a good hard look at the relationship and if it happened a second time they would be out the door.
yes, i get some people like "bad boys and bad girls" but there are tons of nice people out there with enough edge who won't punch your internal organs, and it just annoys the hell out of me when people stay with abusive people, drunks, etc. and try to play it off like they are totally without blame.
get a nice boyfriend. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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I told him: I saw what this guy did to me (he almost killed me), and to other women, and I know he is going to do it to others again and again ( that's what a women abuser does), if the Korean police is not gonna protect their own women from being abused by such an asshole, who else should? |
at the risk of sounding very insensitive which i'm not trying to be, i'm going to play bad cop here.
let me preface by saying i do not condone any physical or mental violence on females, let alone any person at all.
but the thing that makes me wonder is why people in your situation tend to feel 100% like a victim when you could have prevented this from ever happening yourself. you had previously said that he abused you and yet you chose not to leave him. okay, so he was persistent but so are mormons and other crazy people, and that doesn't mean you have to say yes to them.
maybe it's me who's crazy, but if my partner ever started to act irrationally, even mentally just once, i would take a good hard look at the relationship and if it happened a second time they would be out the door.
yes, i get some people like "bad boys and bad girls" but there are tons of nice people out there with enough edge who won't punch your internal organs, and it just annoys the hell out of me when people stay with abusive people, drunks, etc. and try to play it off like they are totally without blame.
get a nice boyfriend. |
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Obnoxious. But I suppose such a post was bound to occur here on Dave's eventually.
Please avoid blaming the victim of serious physical domestic abuse. It makes you come off as a total d-bag. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Obnoxious. But I suppose such a post was bound to occur here on Dave's eventually.
Please avoid blaming the victim of serious physical domestic abuse. It makes you come off as a total d-bag. |
i'm sorry but nowhere did i blame the victim. the world isn't black and white friend, and most of the time it's not all one persons fault in a situation like this, especially considering the back story.
even if you were correct in your assumption that i was directly blaming anyone, who the hell am i to blame her or anyone else? i don't know her and if i did i'm not about to blame her for it. what happened was a travesty.
all i was saying is that it's obnoxious (what a fun word eh?) when bad things happen to people when it could have been avoided in the first place and they take no responsibility for it and that people should be cognizant of their actions and the repercussions of them instead of charging through life like a rhinoceros in a china shop.
i could honestly care less about whether your mind perceives what i typed as being a d-bag because you obviously didn't get the point of my post.
ignorance is not bliss. |
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Panda

Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
but the thing that makes me wonder is why people in your situation tend to feel 100% like a victim when you could have prevented this from ever happening yourself. you had previously said that he abused you and yet you chose not to leave him. okay, so he was persistent but so are mormons and other crazy people, and that doesn't mean you have to say yes to them.
maybe it's me who's crazy, but if my partner ever started to act irrationally, even mentally just once, i would take a good hard look at the relationship and if it happened a second time they would be out the door.
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First of all, thanks for being such a bad cop because you said something many others might want to but haven't yet. I used to look down upon women who get abused, I thought they were stupid and I was conficent I was smart enough to be immune from things like this.
Just a few years ago, I bashed very hard on Dave's of those Korean women who reported being sexually harrassed after going drinking with their male colleagues. I believed it must have been their own fault to dress too sexy and not being cautious enough. ( I was a jerk by saying something like that )
My friend Mark used to be a US prosecutor, he told me it took him quite some time after witnessing many cases to sympathize with the victims and realize it was not women's fault getting abused, or not trying to escape being abused either.
Most women abusers are controlling freak, my ex also is. The way they control women is not simply physically abusing, but also mind controlling.
Unfortunately, in Korea and many other countries as well, the psychology of women abusers is not well understood. |
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