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Chokse
Joined: 22 May 2009
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 Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, I had always thought internships seemed like some kind of grand scam. It really did seem fairly pointless. Working for free at a company or working for pay at a local business. Both count as work experience on a resume.
I like the story about the parent giving 100 won for doing small tasks around the house. It's a good idea and I might just do the same with my kid.
When I was a kid, my parents never gave me an allowance. They always said the food I ate and the clothes I wore were my allowance. Granted, they did give me some money when my friends and I would go to a movie, or something like that, but I didn't get money to spend on whatever I wanted. For that, I had to get a part-time job and earn the money. I had a paper route when I was in elementary school and started cutting grass in the summers when I was 10 or 11.
My wife and I know a Korean couple whose elementary school daughter has both an iPhone and an iPad (she calls the iPad her "big iPhone"!!!). This little girl gets everything she wants and doesn't have to lift a finger to get it. She is spoiled rotten and I do not EVER want that to happen to my kid. I cringe every time I see this girl with one of her new, expensive toys. |
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Lazio
Joined: 15 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Gladly. 243,000 students in 2009 (according to Chosun Ilbo, YTN, and Yonhap News). Very few families can afford to send more than one kid overseas to study. It is often the first son, or, if they have no sons, the oldest daughter.
If we are talking only families, it is still well over 100,000 and in all likelihood very close to 200,000. Not the 30,000 you claim.
http://www.nuffic.nl/home/news-events/newsletters/neso-e-newsletter/2010/march/market-information/korea/korean-students-spent-20ac-3-billion-on-study-abroad
I've given you a legitimate link to Korean news sources. Now it's your turn. Show me a legitimate link (from major Korean news sources) that shows only 30,000 families sent kids overseas in 2009 or 2010. |
Not to mention the always increasing number of those families who immigrate to Canada or the U.S. and never look back. They give up their good carrier with fat paychecks here to run some small business in a city out in the country. The reason for this is their children, nothing else. They make huge sacrifices in order to provide a nicer childhood for their kids.
Chokse wrote some very nice summary about the differences here and there. Great posts!
Even if you have a million dollars here, you are still living in an apartment. Is a million dollar apartment 2.5 times better than a 400,000 one? NO
In the area where I live the houses (단독주택 /single detached houses) are going for a million or 2 depending on the size of the property. These are owned by a family. But even though they sit on a huge amount of money, it really doesn't make their life any better. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Lazio wrote: |
| Not to mention the always increasing number of those families who immigrate to Canada or the U.S. and never look back. |
To be accurate, Korean emigration numbers are falling
| T-J wrote: |
Besides Ed the biggest problem with this thread is that the OP's question is much too general. There are a lot of factors that influence decisions such as this. All I can do is answer in terms of my particular situation. Which includes netting over 5x the average teacher's salary in Korea and being able to spend more time everyday with my wife and son each day than I would in the west.
So, yea the way the question was worded it's a no brainer for me. The haters and you know who you are should simply leave as soon as you can for your sake, not mine or anyone else's.
To the OP, you need to give more information if you want this thread to be anything but a typical Dave's mudfest.
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So you come on here and make a sweeping generalization about a subject you know nothing about (raising kids in Canada), and I'm the biggest problem in this thread?? Seriously??
Face it, TJ, my posts have been civil and level headed here. You've called me names and had to have your posts deleted.
You came in here and, as usual, made an flippant comment about something you know little about. And when people object to it, you cast aspersions on the whole forum community. I am not the only one that has that has taken issue with your comment, and I'm not the only one to see the flaw in your logic.
The problem, as usual, is that you don't. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Chokse wrote: |
Gladly. 243,000 students in 2009 (according to Chosun Ilbo, YTN, and Yonhap News). Very few families can afford to send more than one kid overseas to study. It is often the first son, or, if they have no sons, the oldest daughter.
If we are talking only families, it is still well over 100,000 and in all likelihood very close to 200,000. Not the 30,000 you claim.
http://www.nuffic.nl/home/news-events/newsletters/neso-e-newsletter/2010/march/market-information/korea/korean-students-spent-20ac-3-billion-on-study-abroad
I've given you a legitimate link to Korean news sources. Now it's your turn. Show me a legitimate link (from major Korean news sources) that shows only 30,000 families sent kids overseas in 2009 or 2010. |
First of all I did not say 30,000 I said "in the neighborhood of 30,000" which is a bit different. And the info in your link is for 2009.
Secondly here's the link
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2010/11/15/53/0302000000AEN20101115008100315F.HTML
Plus that says nothing about the number of families. You claimed that hundreds of thousands of families were doing this. Now you say that it only well over 100,000 or close to 200,000. Well in order for your original claim to be correct it would have to be at least 200,000. And it only took a couple of pages for you to agree with me that it is not hundreds of thousands of Korean families sending their kids overseas to study. |
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Chokse
Joined: 22 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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First, what is "the neighborhood of 30,000?" To me, that means 25,000 to 35,000, or at most 20,000 to 40,000. That's still way, way under the estimated 250,000 students who study overseas. So, I'll give you your 40,000, but you are still way off the mark.
Your source is also misleading because it is only for "pre-collegiate" students. As most people know, the majority of Koreans who study abroad do so for high school or university. There aren't very many who go overseas for elementary or middle school.
If you take away college students, sure, you'll see the number drop from hundreds of thousands to only 30,000 or 40,000.
But, and this is important, I NEVER said pre-collegiate students, did I? So your source and your number are both pointless to the argument. The fact remains that hundreds of thousands of Koreans leave this country each year to study in another country. This only happens when the education system fails, and is yet another reason not to raise kids in this country.
Also, how many Koreans have we seen over the years who leave decent jobs in Korea to work as grocers or dry cleaners in the US, all to improve the lives of their kids.
When was the last time you saw an American or Canadian leave a decent job in the US or Canada to bring their family to Korea and work as a grocer, dry cleaner, or some other menial job like that? |
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Mr. Peabody
Joined: 24 Sep 2010
Location: here
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| T-J wrote: |
I'm quite happy to be in the company of those that agree with me in this thread as opposed to those that do not.
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Me too.
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I'm sorry, but who would that be? Which posters have come in here and said "Korea...absolutely!"?
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Umm...that would be me!
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| You seem to be mostly alone in your ignorant assertion that it MUST be Korea. |
No, he's not.
No Drugs + No Guns + No Nonsense = Korea |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:05 am Post subject: |
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Let's see how this thread started again, a little recap if you will....
The OP asked for an opinion.
| chungbukdo wrote: |
Which do you think is better and why? Especially if you were going to home school them.
(Please debate on homeschooling in another thread). |
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Korea hands down. Any day of the week and twice on Sunday. No contest.
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| Koreadays wrote: |
Canada? you serious... come on man...
of course Korea.... why the hell would you want to torture your kids by letting them be bought up there among the thugs, drugs, gangs, crime, etc..
Korea is a power house, it's rich, safe and no drugs.,
come on man.. do you seriously need to guess yourself..
ohh and home school? seriously? come on man.. at least give your kids a memory of being in elementary school , making friends and all that... |
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Korea hands down. Any day of the week and twice on Sunday. No contest.
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Really, do you have a lot of experience raising kids in Canada?
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| Scott in Incheon wrote: |
| Canada...hands down...no contest...any day of the week and three times on Sunday... |
| ttompatz wrote: |
Having raised kids in both, I would opt for Asia for young learners and Canada for High School and University.
I would never raise another child in the states. Our time spent in Phoenix (Scottsdale) was bad enough that I would never send a child back to school there.
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Not to worry, I'll be there the next time your logic fails.... yet again.  |
I'm quite happy to be in the company of those that agree with me in this thread as opposed to those that do not.
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I'm sorry, but who would that be? Which posters have come in here and said "Korea...absolutely!"?
Most of the posters, it seems, have either said Canada, or that there are pros and cons to each option.
You seem to be mostly alone in your ignorant assertion that it MUST be Korea. |
Finally, I called you a name and had a post deleted. Again I find it next to impossible to carry on a conversation with someone that distorts and lies. I think it pretty obvious that you have a problem with me and not what I said. So really there is nothing I can say. Run along and fight your next internet battle.
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:35 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. Peabody wrote: |
No Drugs + No Guns + No Nonsense = Korea |
You must have missed the news a couple days ago, where it was reported there is a growing problem with methamphetamine dealing in Korean high-schools. One of the most harmful and addictive drugs available. Gangs are also a growing problem, causing most of the violence in schools. Guns are not an issue in Canada, and who needs guns when knives, metal bars and fists will do enough damage. |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:38 am Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
| Mr. Peabody wrote: |
No Drugs + No Guns + No Nonsense = Korea |
You must have missed the news a couple days ago, where it was reported there is a growing problem with amphetamine dealing in Korean high-schools. One of the most harmful and addictive drugs available. Gangs are also a growing problem, causing most of the violence in schools. Guns are not an issue in Canada, and who needs guns when knives, metal bars and fists will do enough damage. |
And yet one third of all murders in Canada are committed with guns.
I agree that they are not nearly the problem in Canada that they are in the States.
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:59 am Post subject: |
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| T-J wrote: |
| crescent wrote: |
| Mr. Peabody wrote: |
No Drugs + No Guns + No Nonsense = Korea |
You must have missed the news a couple days ago, where it was reported there is a growing problem with amphetamine dealing in Korean high-schools. One of the most harmful and addictive drugs available. Gangs are also a growing problem, causing most of the violence in schools. Guns are not an issue in Canada, and who needs guns when knives, metal bars and fists will do enough damage. |
And yet one third of all murders in Canada are committed with guns.
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More like 29%. Stabbing accounts for even more than a third, which means knives seem to be the issue.
99% of the murders in Korea are committed without guns, and Korea ranks higher in murders/capita than Canada.
http://todochido.com/news-politics/18741-murders-per-capita-most-recent-country.html |
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Mr. Peabody
Joined: 24 Sep 2010
Location: here
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
| Mr. Peabody wrote: |
No Drugs + No Guns + No Nonsense = Korea |
You must have missed the news a couple days ago, where it was reported there is a growing problem with methamphetamine dealing in Korean high-schools. One of the most harmful and addictive drugs available. Gangs are also a growing problem, causing most of the violence in schools. Guns are not an issue in Canada, and who needs guns when knives, metal bars and fists will do enough damage. |
Yea, sorry I missed that story. I was tuned to the channel that was reporting the huge problem of pedophlia and drug abuse among E-2 visa holders. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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Mr. Peabody
Joined: 24 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:19 am Post subject: |
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It doesn't.
The point is they are both fabrications. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| Chokse wrote: |
First, what is "the neighborhood of 30,000?" To me, that means 25,000 to 35,000, or at most 20,000 to 40,000. That's still way, way under the estimated 250,000 students who study overseas. So, I'll give you your 40,000, but you are still way off the mark.
Your source is also misleading because it is only for "pre-collegiate" students. As most people know, the majority of Koreans who study abroad do so for high school or university. There aren't very many who go overseas for elementary or middle school.
If you take away college students, sure, you'll see the number drop from hundreds of thousands to only 30,000 or 40,000.
(1) But, and this is important, I NEVER said pre-collegiate students, did I? So your source and your number are both pointless to the argument. The fact remains that hundreds of thousands of Koreans leave this country each year to study in another country. This only happens when the education system fails, and is yet another reason not to raise kids in this country.
(2)When was the last time you saw an American or Canadian leave a decent job in the US or Canada to bring their family to Korea and work as a grocer, dry cleaner, or some other menial job like that? |
(numbers are mine)
1. No you never said pre-collegiate students. In fact you never mentioned STUDENTS at all. Your original claim was that hundreds of thousands of FAMILIES were leaving Korea to study overseas. A claim which you have now retracted in your last post prior to this one above. So we are both agreed on this then.
Well if Internet stories are anything to go by there seem to be plenty of Americans/Canadians who leave six figure salaried jobs to go and slave in a hakwon for 2 thousand a month. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| Lazio wrote: |
| [In the area where I live the houses (단독주택 /single detached houses) are going for a million or 2 depending on the size of the property. These are owned by a family. But even though they sit on a huge amount of money, it really doesn't make their life any better. |
How do you know what their lives are like? For all you know they could be very happy or not so happy. Where one lives is only a part of the equation of happiness. It is not the be-all and end-all. Some people are perfectly happy living in apartments. Some are perfectly happy living in houses. It all comes down to personal preference. It may not be YOUR personal preference but it doesn't mean they are unhappy. |
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