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Hindsight
Joined: 02 Feb 2009
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 Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:19 am Post subject: RUPERT MURDOCH'S REAL CRIME |
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Everyone talks about the weather, but Rupert Murdoch lies about it.
Phone hacking? That's small potatoes compared to the damage Murdoch's media empire is wreaking.
His real crime is obstructing scientifically informed discussion and education of the public about the imminent dangers of global warming to the Planet Earth and its 7 billion inhabitants.
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It's Hot! But Fox Only Talks About Global Warming When It's Snowing
July 20, 2011 10:43 am ET by Shauna Theel
With an unusually intense heat wave sweeping the nation, Fox News has been silent on global warming, which scientists say makes heat waves like this one more likely. By contrast, Fox News repeatedly used winter storms to mock global warming -- one of several problems with Fox's coverage of climate change highlighted in a new mini-documentary by Media Matters Studios:
(view video from youtube)
Most flagrantly, Fox Nation and Fox News personalities Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Gretchen Carlson, Steve Doocy, Stuart Varney, and Eric Bolling all seized upon the February 2010 blizzard to mock Al Gore and suggest that the storm undermines the science supporting global warming. That same winter, Fox News Washington managing editor Bill Sammon ordered the network's journalists to cast doubt on climate change data.
In reality, that winter included "the eighth warmest December" since records began in 1880, the "fourth warmest" January, and the "six warmest" February according to global temperature data from NOAA. 2010 tied for the warmest year on record, and 2000-2009 was by far the warmest decade on record.
Over the past week, Fox News has not mentioned human-induced climate change or global warming while reporting on or discussing the current heat wave, according to a search of Snapstream video and Nexis transcripts.
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http://mediamatters.org/blog/201107200009
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Rolling Stone: At Fox News, "Manufacturing Doubt About Global Warming Remains Official Policy"
No one does more to spread dangerous disinformation about global warming than Murdoch. In a year of rec�ord heat waves in Africa, freak snowstorms in America and epic flooding in Pakistan, the Fox network continued to dismiss climate change as nothing but a conspiracy by liberal scientists and Big Government. Glenn Beck told viewers the Earth experienced no warming in the past decade -- the hottest on record. Sean Hannity declared that "global warming doesn't exist" and speculated about "the true agenda of global-warming hysterics." Even Brian Kilmeade, co-host of the chatty Fox & Friends, laughed off the threat of climate change, joking that the real problem was "too many polar bears." |
http://mediamatters.org/research/201102010025#4
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Fox News' Top 10 Climate Science Distortions And Fabrications
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1. Global warming "doesn't exist"
2. 2009 was "the coldest year on record"
3. "Nearly all of the [Arctic] ice has returned"
4. "How can there be global warming if it's snowing and it's bitterly cold?"
5. "The Earth is actually cooling now"
6. Hacked emails prove scientists are "doctoring" data to exaggerate global warming
7. El Nino is the cause of warming of the past 30 years
8. Climate science warned of global cooling in the 1970s
9. "NASA acknowledges solar cycle, not man, responsible for global warming"
10. Phil Jones told BBC that "the Middle Ages were warmer than the climate now" |
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http://mediamatters.org/research/201102010025#4
I am not going to debate the know-nothings on this, particularly since these links contain point by point rebuttals, which of course they will not read, and if they do, will simply deny.
But for those of you who do not know what snow looks like, which includes most Australians, who seem to have been especially brainwashed by Murdoch, warmer winters generally lead to increased snowfall, until it warms so much the precipitation turns to rain. |
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kimchijigijig
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:41 am Post subject: Re: RUPERT MURDOCH'S REAL CRIME |
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But for those of you who do not know what snow looks like, which includes most Australians, who seem to have been especially brainwashed by Murdoch, warmer winters generally lead to increased snowfall, until it warms so much the precipitation turns to rain. |
Hate burst your bubble but my experience is that most Australians know the Murdock (the Aussie pirate) is full of BS. It seems that the Americans are the easily gullible ones and that is clear evidence in the viewership of Fox News.
So your statement about Australians being brainwashed, sorry my friend they have been but not on the scale that the average Red White and Blue sucker has.
BTW Australia gets better downfall of snow (deeper snow) than Korea does, but it is very restricted in the area that it occurs. |
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Chokse
Joined: 22 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:01 am Post subject: |
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Here's the problem with trying to use the weather as a predictor of what is or is not happening as it relates to global warming. My home state had a record of 58 days in a row of temperatures over 100F in 1978. This is still a record.
Even in the current heat wave, the number has only reached 24 days in a row of temperatures over 100F. The current forecast for my home state calls for temperatures to drop into the 90s next week.
Now, does this mean that global warming was worse in the late 1970s and that things are now improving (haven't had over 58 days in a row of those temperatures since 1978)?
When you start using weather patterns as your only "evidence" of global warming, you can end up looking very foolish, very quickly. Just look at the mini ice ages of the 1400s and 1800s. Did that mean global cooling?
Look, I'm not saying I like the guy, but you can't use one summer's weather to make the case for or against global warming. |
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Hindsight
Joined: 02 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:51 am Post subject: Re: RUPERT MURDOCH'S REAL CRIME |
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| kimchijigijig wrote: |
| Hindsight wrote: |
But for those of you who do not know what snow looks like, which includes most Australians, who seem to have been especially brainwashed by Murdoch, warmer winters generally lead to increased snowfall, until it warms so much the precipitation turns to rain. |
Hate burst your bubble but my experience is that most Australians know the Murdock (the Aussie pirate) is full of BS. It seems that the Americans are the easily gullible ones and that is clear evidence in the viewership of Fox News.
So your statement about Australians being brainwashed, sorry my friend they have been but not on the scale that the average Red White and Blue sucker has.
BTW Australia gets better downfall of snow (deeper snow) than Korea does, but it is very restricted in the area that it occurs. |
How restricted? Do you charge admission?
Well, I'm certainly glad that the limited sampling of Australians I have spoken to recently are not representative of your entire fine country's views on global warming. I was getting worried. Especially considering that Rupert Murdoch owns 73 percent of the newspaper circulation in Australia.
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Australian mass media is concentrated into the hands of a very small number of proprietors. For example, 11 of the 12 major newspapers in Australia are owned by Rupert Murdoch�s News Corporation or John Fairfax Holdings. In fact, Murdoch bestrides the Australian media landscape like a colossus�NewsCorp owns 8 of that 12, and also dominate the regional and suburban newspaper publishing industry, as well as owning a major slice of Foxtel.
The Australian people have less different voices to use upon which to make their decisions than almost any other place in the free world. And Rupert Murdoch is happy to wield his overwhelming power. |
http://www.independentaustralia.net/2011/democracy/concentrated-media-ownership-a-crisis-for-democracy/
If most Australians know Murdoch is full of BS, how come they keep buying his papers?
As to the gullibility of the average American, I have to admit you have a point:
http://www.countryhumor.com/redneck/mightbe.htm
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As to Chokse, why do I get the feeling you didn't bother to read, or even open, any of the links?
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| When you start using weather patterns as your only "evidence" of global warming, you can end up looking very foolish, very quickly. |
"YOU"??? I never said any such thing.
I don't even think you read my post; all you did was see "global warming" and you felt compelled to deny, deny, deny.
Don't read this, Chokse:
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The Washington Post reported that this "long duration, widespread heat wave continues to bake virtually the entire central U.S" and "969 daily high temperature records were either tied or broken in the country" through July 16. The Post further reported:
Climate change research indicates that manmade emissions of greenhouse gases may already be increasing the likelihood of extreme heat events like this one, including the 2003 European heat wave that killed tens of thousands. Also, recent studies have projected much hotter summers beginning as soon as just a few decades from now as the climate continues to warm. However, it will take months if not years for scientists to determine whether climate change has played a role in turning up the heat so far this summer, and in this heat wave specifically....
NASA climatologist Gavin Schmidt told Media Matters it's "very probable that any particular heat wave happening now will be shown to have become more likely because of global warming," adding: "Of all the different extreme events that can happen, the partial attribution of heat waves to ongoing climate change is one of the easier connections."
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http://mediamatters.org/blog/201107200009
The point of my post and of the linked stories, and I don't see how I can make this any clearer, is that Fox News simply lied about the facts.
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lie, verb:
Main Entry:3lie
Pronunciation:*
Function:verb
Inflected Form:lied ; lied ; ly�ing \*l*i*\ ; lies
Etymology:Middle English ligen, leyen, lien, from Old English l*ogan; akin to Old High German liogan to lie, Old Norse ljTga, Gothic liugan, Old Slavic lVgati to lie, Lithuanian lTgoti to request
intransitive verb
1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive : tell a lie *man is the only animal T that habitually lies� Leo Stein*
2 : to create a false or misleading impression : convey an untruth *unless these figures lie* *that thermometer must be lying*
transitive verb : to bring about by lying : affect in a specified way by telling lies *men have been lied out of office* *managed to lie himself out of trouble*
synonyms LIE, PREVARICATE, EQUIVOCATE, PALTER, FIB can mean to tell an untruth directly or indirectly. LIE is direct and blunt, imputing dishonesty *children sometimes lie to avoid punishment* *the camera can cheat and lie with all the success and assurance of a confidence trickster� Richard Harrison* PREVARICATE is commonly used to evade the insulting bluntness of LIE, but also can imply evasion of truth as by quibbling or confusing the issue *he could prevaricate no longer, and, confessing to the gambling, told her the truth� Thomas Hardy* EQUIVOCATE implies evasion by the use of words or remarks with double meanings in the hope that an incorrect one will be understood *he was wholly in sympathy with Congregationalism, and had no mind to conceal or equivocate concerning its democratic tendencies� V.L.Parrington* or by the use of talk which avoids committing one to anything. PALTER implies a falseness or unreliability in statements or dealings *if insanity is not to be a defense, let us say so frankly and even brutally, but let us not mock ourselves with a definition that palters with reality� B.N.Cardozo* FIB is often used as an innocuous equivalent of LIE but more often implies telling a trivial, insignificant, or socially necessary untruth *the government admitted the laboratory, but T may be fibbing patriotically, of course� Time*
�lie in one's throat or lie in one's teeth : to lie flatly, maliciously, or outrageously
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Fox News lies.
A sentence of three words, words of one syllable.
Comprende'? |
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Chokse
Joined: 22 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:27 am Post subject: |
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First of all, "you" means "people" when used colloquially, so don't get your panties in a bunch. Roll with it dude.
Also, I never said global warming doesn't exist, but neither did I say it does. I did not take a stand one way or the other.
Finally, while I didn't click on the links I did read the quotes (Sorry, I don't click on links unless they are from trusted sources, and I don't know you from Adam).
In the first one it goes on and on about how Fox News used the winter storms to mock global warming. The quote then goes on to state that Fox News is now ignoring the current heat wave and in doing so, is also ignoring the effects of global warming. This was, to me, the gist of the article.
I was trying to point out that the article is extremely biased. It says that using the winter storms as evidence that global warming does not exist is wrong, but that the summer heat wave is proof of global warming.
The point I was trying to make, and a point that you obviously missed, is that both Fox News AND Shauna Theel are wrong. The past winter's weather and the current summer weather prove nothing about global warming and whether it exists or not. |
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Fat_Elvis
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 6:37 am Post subject: |
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First of all, "you" means "people" when used colloquially, so don't get your panties in a bunch. Roll with it dude.
Also, I never said global warming doesn't exist, but neither did I say it does. I did not take a stand one way or the other.
Finally, while I didn't click on the links I did read the quotes (Sorry, I don't click on links unless they are from trusted sources, and I don't know you from Adam).
In the first one it goes on and on about how Fox News used the winter storms to mock global warming. The quote then goes on to state that Fox News is now ignoring the current heat wave and in doing so, is also ignoring the effects of global warming. This was, to me, the gist of the article.
I was trying to point out that the article is extremely biased. It says that using the winter storms as evidence that global warming does not exist is wrong, but that the summer heat wave is proof of global warming.
The point I was trying to make, and a point that you obviously missed, is that both Fox News AND Shauna Theel are wrong. The past winter's weather and the current summer weather prove nothing about global warming and whether it exists or not. |
Unless you see anthropogenic climate change as causing more extreme weather events, and then they might be evidence that it is occurring. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| Chokse wrote: |
In the first one it goes on and on about how Fox News used the winter storms to mock global warming. The quote then goes on to state that Fox News is now ignoring the current heat wave and in doing so, is also ignoring the effects of global warming. This was, to me, the gist of the article.
I was trying to point out that the article is extremely biased. It says that using the winter storms as evidence that global warming does not exist is wrong, but that the summer heat wave is proof of global warming.
The point I was trying to make, and a point that you obviously missed, is that both Fox News AND Shauna Theel are wrong. The past winter's weather and the current summer weather prove nothing about global warming and whether it exists or not. |
The problem here is with the use of the term "global warming" rather than "global climate change". If using the latter term, Fox does come across as rather idiotic if they're using examples of extreme winter weather to disprove climate change. Crazy winter storms and extreme summer heat fit perfectly well within theories of global climate change. Now, I'm not saying that individual weather events prove anything, as they might well be anecdotal, but there's something to be said for wild swings in the weather supporting the so-called global warming camp. |
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Hindsight
Joined: 02 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:25 am Post subject: |
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If I might be permitted to bring the attention to posters to the topic of this thread: RUPERT MURDOCH'S REAL CRIME.
His real crime is far greater than hacking, it is deliberately lying about the facts regarding global warming on Fox News and other Murdoch owned media. FACTS. And using propagandistic techniques to make fun of anyone who argues that there is global warming.
The topic of this thread is not, Is global warming real?
It is that Murdoch's media LIES.
And I use the term "global warming" because that's what it is. It is not climate change, anymore than "pro choice" is the correct term for "abortion rights." The fact is the Planet Earth is warming. Science is not a matter of belief; religion is a matter of belief (especially the religion of King Rupert and his Church of Fox News). It is also a scientific fact that CO2 levels in the atmosphere have been increasing in tandem with the rise in global temperature.
If you want to bastardize the English language, and bowdlerize your own speech, that's your business.
And if you are so afraid of your own shadow that you don't dare open a link to a news article, then I suggest you do not comment on something you have not read. If that is not sufficiently clear, let me know and I will translate it to a sentence of two one-syllable words with a total of six letters, begging with the letter "s" and ending with the letter "p."
Increased snowfall as a result of global warming has been a basic prediction of climatologists for at least the past 20 years.
Can anyone who paid attention during their fifth grade science class tell me why?
That's right, because warmer air is capable of holding more moisture than colder air.
And guess what?
The unusually snowy winter that Fox News mocked as not being evidence of global warming was .... wait for it .... unusually warm.
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| In reality, that winter included "the eighth warmest December" since records began in 1880, the "fourth warmest" January, and the "six warmest" February according to global temperature data from NOAA. 2010 tied for the warmest year on record, and 2000-2009 was by far the warmest decade on record. |
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201107200009
Of course, if you studiously avoid looking at any SCIENTIFIC evidence (which, by its definition is UNBIASED), and you cover your ears and go "LA,LA, LA, LA, LA) during any encounter with facts, then it is hardly surprising to hear: "Also, I never said global warming doesn't exist, but neither did I say it does. I did not take a stand one way or the other," from such a person.
If the only proof of global warming or "climate change" you will accept is when the New York Public Library is buried in snow and it is minus 250 degrees F in Manhattan, I've got news for you: Roland Emmerich is not a scientist; he is a film director, and an atrocious one at that. And guess which film studio made "The Day After Tomorrow"? Fox, of course. On the other hand, if this did actually happen, if Hell did freeze over, Fox News would probably use it as evidence that global warming-climate change is all a figment of your liberal imagination.
You want proof of global warming, just look at the news -- not just the heat waves and the tornadoes, the record droughts, the record sandstorms, the record forest fires, the record flooding, and the massive crop failures all around the world. (And when I say "news," I mean a real news station, not Fox, because they simply lie on command from Rupert Murdoch.)
But, then, global warming has been going on so long now that if you are under 30, I can see why this would seem like business as usual.
And if you are under 30, boy do I pity you.
So, to reiterate my original point, would anyone care to argue against me, that Rupert Murdoch and his Fox News do not lie about global warming, and back up your claim with something resembling facts? |
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Chokse
Joined: 22 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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Quote from Hindsight: "Increased snowfall as a result of global warming has been a basic prediction of climatologists for at least the past 20 years.
Can anyone who paid attention during their fifth grade science class tell me why?
That's right, because warmer air is capable of holding more moisture than colder air."
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I've been in Korea since 1996. When I first came, there was a hell of a lot more snow in the winter than there is now. When I see video footage from the Korean war, there was a hell of a lot more snow.
Over the last 15 years in Korea, I have seen less and less snow each winter (fewer snowy days and less accumulation when it does snow).
According to what you said, Korea should be seeing more snow because of global warming, yet Korea is seeing less snow.
Does this mean global warming does not exist, or does it mean that for the last 15 years, somehow it has only existed outside of Korea?
Again, I will say to you that the weather alone (cold, hot, rainy, snowy) cannot be a predictor of global warming. |
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Hindsight
Joined: 02 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Chokse wrote: |
Quote from Hindsight: "Increased snowfall as a result of global warming has been a basic prediction of climatologists for at least the past 20 years.
Can anyone who paid attention during their fifth grade science class tell me why?
That's right, because warmer air is capable of holding more moisture than colder air."
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I've been in Korea since 1996. When I first came, there was a hell of a lot more snow in the winter than there is now. When I see video footage from the Korean war, there was a hell of a lot more snow.
Over the last 15 years in Korea, I have seen less and less snow each winter (fewer snowy days and less accumulation when it does snow).
According to what you said, Korea should be seeing more snow because of global warming, yet Korea is seeing less snow.
Does this mean global warming does not exist, or does it mean that for the last 15 years, somehow it has only existed outside of Korea?
Again, I will say to you that the weather alone (cold, hot, rainy, snowy) cannot be a predictor of global warming. |
Wow! You ask tough questions, Chokse!
I need some help, here. Class, can anyone tell Chokse what happens to precipitation when the weather warms up from minus 2 C to plus 2 C (or from 28 F to 35 F)?
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If I might be permitted to bring the attention to posters to the topic of this thread: RUPERT MURDOCH'S REAL CRIME.
His real crime is far greater than hacking, it is deliberately lying about the facts regarding global warming on Fox News and other Murdoch owned media. FACTS. And using propagandistic techniques to make fun of anyone who argues that there is global warming.
The topic of this thread is not, Is global warming real?
It is that Murdoch's media LIES. |
So if you have been in Korea since 1996, I take it that, in addition to not reading the news stories I linked to, you have never had the pleasure of watching Fox News?
I'm curious; how do you stay so well-informed? What newspapers do you read regularly or television news programs do you watch?
Do you, by any chance, read Rev. Moon's Washington Times, or have some other connection to it? |
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Hindsight
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Chokse
Joined: 22 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:18 am Post subject: |
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Dude, what do you want? It's obvious that you're a far-left wacko (which is just as bad as a far-right wacko) and you talk in circles.
You make definitive statements about weather and climate change and then talk in circles when pressed to defend something you said. First you say it's about warming, then you claim increased snowfall is a sign of this.
I've already told you that I'm not going to click on links from someone I don't know, especially from someone who seems a bit off balance. I read what you quoted and that will have to be sufficient.
Dude, you seem to be out to get the far right and that's fine. I'm not part of the far right so I really don't care. But right now, you appear to be just as desperate and ridiculous as they are. Good job. You win! Congratulations. Enjoy your melting polar caps. I hear there's a guy in the Netherlands who has built a new Noah's Ark. Maybe you can give him a call and see if he has room for you on the boat.
You like sheep, don't you? Cause you might have to share a room with them. But they'll keep you warm in the winter months.
Meanwhile, I think I'm going to go down to the local kalbi place so I can eat some meat from an animal that is farting the environment to death and cook it over a nice polluting coal briquette so I can add that knock-out punch to Mother Earth. Mmm, mmm, good!
I'm done with your silliness. Talk to yourself because from this point forward, no one else is listening to you. You are now Chicken Little and the sky is now falling. Don't look up. |
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Chokse
Joined: 22 May 2009
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Now, about Murdoch. Hate him if you want. Hate anyone if you want. Boycott whatever you want, but don't get all pissy when other people don't agree with your agenda or don't give a crap about it.
I will keep living my life exactly the way I have been living it, and if some of my money goes to Murdoch, so what? Plenty of my money goes to far worse people on a regular basis.
If you plan to avoid giving your money to anyone who is less than honorable, then you're not going to be able to spend your money anywhere. If you'd like, I can send you a bank account number and you can deposit your monthly pay directly to me... seeing as you can't spend it anywhere without helping some rich guy somewhere who is screwing anyone he can.
Do you not realize how many bad people there are out there in the world, doing exactly the kinds of things Murdoch does? What's your big plan for them? I'm all ears. Wake up to the reality of the world. |
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Julius
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| When I see video footage from the Korean war, there was a hell of a lot more snow. |
Going back to Hamel in the 1600s and he talks about the Han river freezing solid so that the entire cavalry of (300?) crossed it every morning.
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| Again, I will say to you that the weather alone (cold, hot, rainy, snowy) cannot be a predictor of global warming. |
But what should really be clear is that our climate is changing rapidly (enough to be noticeable in one persons lifetime) and that it correlates in many ways to human activity. |
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Hindsight
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I've already told you that I'm not going to click on links from someone I don't know, especially from someone who seems a bit off balance. I read what you quoted and that will have to be sufficient. |
I call bull. I don't think you read my posts, Chokse, or even the header of the thread. I said repeatedly that this thread is not about global warming, it is about Rupert Murdcoch, and how his Fox News and other media have deliberately lied and misled the public about the facts.
You saw the words "global warming" and for some reason known only to yourself, went off on your own little soliloquy. This would not have been quite so bad if you at least had some minimal understanding of the science involved, say at the third grade level. You, Chokse, don't have the faintest idea what you are talking about, yet that doesn't slow you down in the least when it comes to voicing opinions and calling me names.
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I've been in Korea since 1996. When I first came, there was a hell of a lot more snow in the winter than there is now. When I see video footage from the Korean war, there was a hell of a lot more snow.
Over the last 15 years in Korea, I have seen less and less snow each winter (fewer snowy days and less accumulation when it does snow).
According to what you said, Korea should be seeing more snow because of global warming, yet Korea is seeing less snow.
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I will try again. You seem to have missed my earlier attempt to explain this to you.
OK, what happens when the temperature is below 0 degrees C, or 32 degrees F?
Give up?
Answer: Water freezes.
So if there is precipitation, it falls as snow or some other form of frozen water.
Now, what happens when the temperature rises above 0 degrees C, or 32 degrees F?
Answer: Ice and snow melt.
So if there is precipitation, it falls as rain.
If you have ever lived somewhere really cold, where the winter temperatures drop below 0 degrees F, or below minus 15 degrees C, you know that there is not much snow when it is very cold. The amount of snowfall typically increases as temperatures rise into the teens or 20s Fahrenheit.
But, BUT, if the temperature rises above 32 degrees Fahrenheit, it does not snow, it rains!
I have been really amazed in my travels around Asia to find that there are people who never learned the basics of science that Americans get in elementary school, such as how evaporation cools, or where condensation comes from. But they can do trigonometry. Go figure.
So I will repeat once more: warmer air is capable of holding more moisture. Colder air cannot hold as much moisture. Extremely cold air is very dry, as you would know if you had spent any time living in minus 40 degrees Fahrenheit or colder. (Aside: I have always been astonished to see Koreans running humidifiers full blast even when the outside temperature is only in the 40s to 20s. This is not cold enough to produce particularly dry air inside. All these humidifiers do is help to breed mold and germs on cool surfaces from excessive indoor humidity, making people sick with respiratory infections.) But when the temperature is in the 20s, you can get lots and lots of heavy snow. If you read the articles about global warming that appear in the press of countries with good science news reporting, it is common for them to mention that global warming will result in more moisture in the atmosphere.
I do not know where you live in Korea, but in the middle or southern areas, it is typically too warm in the winter, above freezing much of the time, to get much snow. And, as you may know, some areas of Korea just don't get much rain during certain times of the year because of the dominant weather patterns. Frankly, it would not take much to throw Korea's weather out of whack and produce agricultural disasters, as we saw last year.
But climatology is too complex to reduce to a few third grade science rules. Global warming is causing many glaciers to melt, while the increased snowfall is causing some to grow. Can you understand why? Why it snows more or less in one area of Korea or of the world, can be due to a variety of causes, including shifting weather patterns. But some places in Korea seem to be getting lots of snow, including Pyeongchang, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyeongchang .
As to Julius' post, this cold period in the 1600s is not a good gauge of global temperature trends. This was a world-wide phenomenon due to a period of unusually low sunspot activity. There are other non-human factors at work that can produce short or long term variations in climate. But climatologists are not the complete morons some idiots make them out to be, and they take these into account when analyzing global warming.
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But what should really be clear is that our climate is changing rapidly (enough to be noticeable in one persons lifetime) and that it correlates in many ways to human activity. |
The weather is indeed changing so rapidly that if you are old enough, yes, you can see the changes. You can also see them in the weather data, year to year and decade to decade. There is a fairly steady increase in temperature that in some places is accompanied by a steady increase in precipitation. But other places are experiencing record drought. Global warming is magnifying the contrasts and extremes, and causing shifting weather patterns. So some places are having record snowfall and flooding, while others record heat and drought.
For those who are sincerely interested, there is plenty of analysis and explanation available on the web. A good way to learn more is to go to Google news and type in global warming periodically.
This, of course, Chokse will not do because he only clicks on links from friends he knows and trusts. Everyone else, it seems, is a far-left wacko or a far-right wacko. I suppose that's one way to dismiss any ideas you do not understand. I keep vowing to never do another global warming post because there are always idiots like Chokse who hijack the thread. Except this thread was supposed to be a about Rupert Murdoch and his News Corp.So back to topic: With people like Chokse, I can see why it is so easy for Fox News to bamboozle people about global warming with outright lies. The reason is that some people need extremely simple, black and white explanations. And they demand simplistic answers, even if they are not true. |
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