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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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 Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: More stupidity on the subway |
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| Julius wrote: |
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| You must frequent some bizarre places man. |
Jrwhite has indirectly called Korea "bizarre".
He has slandered the homeland of an entire ethno-genetic group. I suggest we alert the wider community to his raschism. |
Add this comment to the 100% logic failure pile. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: More stupidity on the subway |
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| You are the one who has limited the term racism to be applied to DNA and genetic properties. Where does that come from? You made it up? Or please tell me where you found that definition. |
We are using the definition you yourself provided:
Racism -
Noun:The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races
If all members of a race possess a characteristic, it stands to reason it's based on genetics and not culture. In other words, all gyopos would have that trait--every person of Korean extraction would have it whether they lived in Seoul, New York, Paris or Cairo.
Got it? |
Why would it stand to reason its based on DNA? A characteristic doesn't have to be a physical one. (Large eyes, flat feet, dwarfism, etc...) The statement, "Persians are generally religious extremists." = "Koreans are generally terrified of animals." These statements are equal, logically speaking. That is a racist statement about Persians. You are blanketing an entire race of people with a characteristic (religious extremism). Your genetic principals do not determine your religion, your cultural upbringing does. I hope this analogy clears it up and explains why your definition of racism is flawed.
So what Julius did, either on purpose or not, was he made a series of blanketing statements about Koreans. As provided in the evidence I presented, these statements sent the message that "Koreans", not the government or as a critique of the culture...but the people themselves, are inferior to the West. And other statements he made also showed that he believes that the West is superior to Korea. Which is racist, according to the definition.
The word "Koreans" refers to the people. Not their culture, their government or their way of life. That is what makes it racist. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: More stupidity on the subway |
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| Julius believes that Koreans suffer from a massive mental disorder. |
Irrational fears and phobias come under the definition of disorders of the mind. Look it up in the dictionary if you don't believe me.
e.g. if you are afraid of pigeons then that is an irrational fear.. because pigeons cannot harm you.
I have met so many, many Koreans that are either afraid of, averse to, disgusted by, nervous around, over-reactionary to, disrespectful of, or antagonistic towards other species, that I feel justified in guessing that the vast majority of Koreans are this way.
Animals ranging from moths, butterflies, frogs, paying mantises, grasshoppers, to dogs, cats, pigeons, birds, and in fact all other living creatures. If you want quick evidence of this just take a walk around the zoo or maybe the coex aquarium and watch the reactions of people around you.
Is it wrong? of course its wrong. No humans should be that estranged from, or view themselves as so separate from, their natural environment and other living things. Lack of familiarity breeds lack of understanding, which breeds fear, ..which breeds abuse and cruelty. You can see all those four elemental stages in the face of the average ajosshi approaching a chained-up dog. |
I agree with Steelrails. I love going to the aquarium and zoo. I've never seen massive numbers of Koreans (even 1 Korean at a zoo or aquarium) reacting out of irrational fear. I wonder how they stay in business if so many of them are terrified of being there. You'd think word would get around that there are animals in the zoo. And since they are so scared, the people they told would probably stay away.
I've been to other countries with a large group of Korean people. We rode elephants. They didn't freak out. We went to a monkey temple. The wild monkeys jumped on them, and they didn't freak out. My friends own dogs and cats.
We went scuba diving together in Paula. The sharks didn't freak them out. The 14 ft wide manta's didn't freak them out. The eels and sea snakes didn't freak them out. In fact, they were attracted to all of them.
Julius, you are truly an exception I guess. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: More stupidity on the subway |
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You're right. Maybe he isn't racist. I amend my previous statement. Julius only says racist things but is in fact not a racist.
"scary and "dirty"...typical Korean attitudes to animals."
"a mass mental disorder of sorts"
"Generally speaking, Koreans attitudes..." |
These quotes criticize Korean society but don't necessarily speak to intrinsic genetic properties.
To show racism, you should show these are not merely cultural criticisms.
You haven't. |
How is saying that Koreans have a "mass mental disorder of sorts" a cultural criticism?
There is a big difference between "cultural criticism" and blanket attacks on an entire nationality.
It's not just Koreans that he's limited himself to attacking like that either. He's stated before that Americans and Canadians are guilty of genocide for what our ancestors did to the original inhabitants of North America and that we should hand over our lands and houses to the present-day ones. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: More stupidity on the subway |
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[quote="TheUrbanMyth"]How is saying that Koreans have a "mass mental disorder of sorts" a cultural criticism?
Irrational fears (disorders of the mind) are not genetic but arise from cultural or environmental influence. Besides I did not say 100% of them have them, just most.
Ethnic Koreans living in the US, for example, that have regularly been exposed to cats, dogs and horses, probably do not have such phobias. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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Hey speaking of culture Julius, what cultural phenomenon was it that caused your utter fail of logic and critical thinking there eh?
Care to have us dissect that? Care for us to pass judgments on your culture given such a fail?
There's another fail here- the inability to say "I was wrong", apologize, and walk away. Maybe there is a "cultural" aspect to that.
Or maybe you're just a schmoe who failed at logic. |
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HijackedTw1light
Joined: 24 May 2010
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: More stupidity on the subway |
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| You are the one who has limited the term racism to be applied to DNA and genetic properties. Where does that come from? You made it up? Or please tell me where you found that definition. |
We are using the definition you yourself provided:
Racism -
Noun:The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races
If all members of a race possess a characteristic, it stands to reason it's based on genetics and not culture. In other words, all gyopos would have that trait--every person of Korean extraction would have it whether they lived in Seoul, New York, Paris or Cairo.
Got it? |
Why would it stand to reason its based on DNA? A characteristic doesn't have to be a physical one. (Large eyes, flat feet, dwarfism, etc...) The statement, "Persians are generally religious extremists." = "Koreans are generally terrified of animals." These statements are equal, logically speaking. That is a racist statement about Persians. |
Your reading comprehension skills leave something to be desired. I'm only going to explain this one more time, so please follow carefully.
I'm going to use CAPS this time so you know when to pay close attention.
This is the definition of racism you provided:
"Racism -
Noun:The belief that ALL MEMBERS of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races"
Notice the words ALL MEMBERS. We are not making statements that begin with "Generally speaking...." We are talking about ALL MEMBERS. Therefore the statement "Generally speaking Persians are religious extremists" does not qualify as racism by the definition you provided. Not all Persians are religious fanatics, according to the speaker, so it would not meet the definition above. If a characteristic is to apply to ALL MEMBERS of any numerous race of people, it would have to be a genetically inherited trait.
If you don't like this definition of racism, maybe you shouldn't have quoted it. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: More stupidity on the subway |
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| HijackedTw1light wrote: |
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| You are the one who has limited the term racism to be applied to DNA and genetic properties. Where does that come from? You made it up? Or please tell me where you found that definition. |
We are using the definition you yourself provided:
Racism -
Noun:The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races
If all members of a race possess a characteristic, it stands to reason it's based on genetics and not culture. In other words, all gyopos would have that trait--every person of Korean extraction would have it whether they lived in Seoul, New York, Paris or Cairo.
Got it? |
Why would it stand to reason its based on DNA? A characteristic doesn't have to be a physical one. (Large eyes, flat feet, dwarfism, etc...) The statement, "Persians are generally religious extremists." = "Koreans are generally terrified of animals." These statements are equal, logically speaking. That is a racist statement about Persians. |
Your reading comprehension skills leave something to be desired. I'm only going to explain this one more time, so please follow carefully.
I'm going to use CAPS this time so you know when to pay close attention.
This is the definition of racism you provided:
"Racism -
Noun:The belief that ALL MEMBERS of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races"
Notice the words ALL MEMBERS. We are not making statements that begin with "Generally speaking...." We are talking about ALL MEMBERS. Therefore the statement "Generally speaking Persians are religious extremists" does not qualify as racism by the definition you provided. Not all Persians are religious fanatics, according to the speaker, so it would not meet the definition above. If a characteristic is to apply to ALL MEMBERS of any numerous race of people, it would have to be a genetically inherited trait.
If you don't like this definition of racism, maybe you shouldn't have quoted it. |
Again, I'd hate to bring in the dictionary, but....:
gen�er�al
adjective /ˈjenərəl/
Affecting or concerning all or most people, places, or things; widespread
- books of general interest
Not specialized or limited in range of subject, application, activity, etc
- brush up on your general knowledge
(of a rule, principle, etc.) True for all or most cases
Normal or usual
- it is not general practice to confirm or deny such reports
Considering or including the main features or elements of something, and disregarding exceptions; overall
- they fired in the general direction of the enemy
- a general introduction to the subject
So there's that....
I hope you aren't really an English teacher, because you don't really know what these common words mean. Your kids must be awfully confused. |
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HijackedTw1light
Joined: 24 May 2010
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:05 am Post subject: Re: More stupidity on the subway |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| HijackedTw1light wrote: |
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| You are the one who has limited the term racism to be applied to DNA and genetic properties. Where does that come from? You made it up? Or please tell me where you found that definition. |
We are using the definition you yourself provided:
Racism -
Noun:The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races
If all members of a race possess a characteristic, it stands to reason it's based on genetics and not culture. In other words, all gyopos would have that trait--every person of Korean extraction would have it whether they lived in Seoul, New York, Paris or Cairo.
Got it? |
Why would it stand to reason its based on DNA? A characteristic doesn't have to be a physical one. (Large eyes, flat feet, dwarfism, etc...) The statement, "Persians are generally religious extremists." = "Koreans are generally terrified of animals." These statements are equal, logically speaking. That is a racist statement about Persians. |
Your reading comprehension skills leave something to be desired. I'm only going to explain this one more time, so please follow carefully.
I'm going to use CAPS this time so you know when to pay close attention.
This is the definition of racism you provided:
"Racism -
Noun:The belief that ALL MEMBERS of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races"
Notice the words ALL MEMBERS. We are not making statements that begin with "Generally speaking...." We are talking about ALL MEMBERS. Therefore the statement "Generally speaking Persians are religious extremists" does not qualify as racism by the definition you provided. Not all Persians are religious fanatics, according to the speaker, so it would not meet the definition above. If a characteristic is to apply to ALL MEMBERS of any numerous race of people, it would have to be a genetically inherited trait.
If you don't like this definition of racism, maybe you shouldn't have quoted it. |
Again, I'd hate to bring in the dictionary, but....:
gen�er�al
adjective /ˈjenərəl/
Affecting or concerning all or most people, places, or things; widespread
- books of general interest
Not specialized or limited in range of subject, application, activity, etc
- brush up on your general knowledge
(of a rule, principle, etc.) True for all or most cases
Normal or usual
- it is not general practice to confirm or deny such reports
Considering or including the main features or elements of something, and disregarding exceptions; overall
- they fired in the general direction of the enemy
- a general introduction to the subject
So there's that....
I hope you aren't really an English teacher, because you don't really know what these common words mean. Your kids must be awfully confused. |
I'm not sure if you're really this dense or if you're being deliberately obtuse so you don't have to admit you're wrong.
I'll assume you just can't read a dictionary.
Your definition of the word "general" is "Affecting or concerning all or most people, places, or things; widespread"
The key words in that sentence for our purposes are "or most". Meaning it does not have to refer to all people in the group. It *can* refer to all, but it does not *have* to do so.
Is that somehow unclear to you?
And the next bit:
"Considering or including the main features or elements of something, and disregarding exceptions; overall"
In other words, there are or may be exceptions. It acknowledges that exceptions may exist. Now, your definition of racism used the word "all", not "in general" or "disregarding exceptions." That is why "in general" statements would not apply to that definition.
So there's your remedial English lesson for the day. I think pretty much everyone reading this knows what "in general" means. We all know it does not refer to all members of a group but only the predominance of members. If you want to pretend it means something else, have fun in your imaginary kingdom. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:54 am Post subject: Re: More stupidity on the subway |
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| HijackedTw1light wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
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| You are the one who has limited the term racism to be applied to DNA and genetic properties. Where does that come from? You made it up? Or please tell me where you found that definition. |
We are using the definition you yourself provided:
Racism -
Noun:The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races
If all members of a race possess a characteristic, it stands to reason it's based on genetics and not culture. In other words, all gyopos would have that trait--every person of Korean extraction would have it whether they lived in Seoul, New York, Paris or Cairo.
Got it? |
Why would it stand to reason its based on DNA? A characteristic doesn't have to be a physical one. (Large eyes, flat feet, dwarfism, etc...) The statement, "Persians are generally religious extremists." = "Koreans are generally terrified of animals." These statements are equal, logically speaking. That is a racist statement about Persians. |
Your reading comprehension skills leave something to be desired. I'm only going to explain this one more time, so please follow carefully.
I'm going to use CAPS this time so you know when to pay close attention.
This is the definition of racism you provided:
"Racism -
Noun:The belief that ALL MEMBERS of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races"
Notice the words ALL MEMBERS. We are not making statements that begin with "Generally speaking...." We are talking about ALL MEMBERS. Therefore the statement "Generally speaking Persians are religious extremists" does not qualify as racism by the definition you provided. Not all Persians are religious fanatics, according to the speaker, so it would not meet the definition above. If a characteristic is to apply to ALL MEMBERS of any numerous race of people, it would have to be a genetically inherited trait.
If you don't like this definition of racism, maybe you shouldn't have quoted it. |
Again, I'd hate to bring in the dictionary, but....:
gen�er�al
adjective /ˈjenərəl/
Affecting or concerning all or most people, places, or things; widespread
- books of general interest
Not specialized or limited in range of subject, application, activity, etc
- brush up on your general knowledge
(of a rule, principle, etc.) True for all or most cases
Normal or usual
- it is not general practice to confirm or deny such reports
Considering or including the main features or elements of something, and disregarding exceptions; overall
- they fired in the general direction of the enemy
- a general introduction to the subject
So there's that....
I hope you aren't really an English teacher, because you don't really know what these common words mean. Your kids must be awfully confused. |
I'm not sure if you're really this dense or if you're being deliberately obtuse so you don't have to admit you're wrong.
I'll assume you just can't read a dictionary.
Your definition of the word "general" is "Affecting or concerning all or most people, places, or things; widespread"
The key words in that sentence for our purposes are "or most". Meaning it does not have to refer to all people in the group. It *can* refer to all, but it does not *have* to do so.
Is that somehow unclear to you?
And the next bit:
"Considering or including the main features or elements of something, and disregarding exceptions; overall"
In other words, there are or may be exceptions. It acknowledges that exceptions may exist. Now, your definition of racism used the word "all", not "in general" or "disregarding exceptions." That is why "in general" statements would not apply to that definition.
So there's your remedial English lesson for the day. I think pretty much everyone reading this knows what "in general" means. We all know it does not refer to all members of a group but only the predominance of members. If you want to pretend it means something else, have fun in your imaginary kingdom. |
So you're admitting it "can" mean all. And in this case, it "DOES" mean all. Because he was speaking about ALL KOREANS. (He has now gone back and quantified it, why would he need to do that? Because he realized he misspoke perhaps?). I maintain my claim - Julius may not be a malicious racist. Julius just said some racist things.
Furthermore, the conjunction "or" - presents an alternative item or idea
An alternative means it is another option. It doesn't mean it is the only choice or that they must choose the second option. Otherwise it would have said "all and most" or just left out the word all altogether. .
What he is doing is creating a stereotype.
Not all stereotypes are racist. What makes it racist is that it is proclaiming the superiority of one race over another.
What Julius did was form a stereotype about Koreans. The stereotype stated that one race was worse than the other. Or that others were better than Koreans. That is racism.
It is clear from comments like this:
"Generally speaking, Koreans attitudes and reactions to animals are the most irrational, extreme and immature I've ever come across. The chinese are possibly worse though." First he compares Koreans attitude to all other races. Words like irrational, extreme and immature are all negative in this context. Then he compares two races and says the Chinese are probably worse. Which is a racial prejudice. Because he has little to no experience to base that on.
"So let me repeat, I believe Koreans are better than westerners in many other respects." An example of racism, trying to cover up racism!
"Basically it comes down to respect for living things. Some cultures have it, others don't."
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"westerners don't make animal execution the centrepiece to every meal." If you read the context, he is saying that Koreans make animal execution the centrepiece of EVERY meal. (this probably falls under logic fail more than racism, but when taken with all the other stuff he said, it is both)
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"in the west you have a movement away from that....Do you have any of the above in Korea? ..Nope." This is a bald face lie. Because they do have a movement. It is a comment based on his prejudice.
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"we have a more developed sense of empathy and responsibility toward animals." Again the phrase "we have more" is referring to we (the West) having more of a positive characteristic than Koreans.
So you have these statements in which he is comparing two cultures. These are not simple observations about a few individuals in a society. They are stereotypes of an entire race that are declaring and comparing one is worse than another race. That is racism. |
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Julius
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 5:09 am Post subject: Re: More stupidity on the subway |
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| What Julius did was form a stereotype about Koreans. The stereotype stated that one race was worse than the other. |
Koreans are not a distinct race, neither are westerners. So how can "one race be worse than the other"?
I am comparing two cultures, not two races.
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| Or that others were better than Koreans. That is racism. |
In this regard yes. In other regards, not.
Lets see. I think Koreans are better at passing exams than americans.
Oh and by the way 25% of Americans suffer from mental disorders.
Does this make me a racist against americans ?
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| Then he compares two races and says the Chinese are probably worse. Which is a racial prejudice. Because he has little to no experience to base that on. |
How do you know I have no experience to base this on?
I was talking from first hand experience of visiting China.
E.g.: I spent a day at Beijing zoo. In that one day I saw a chinese guy putting out breadcrumbs for sparrows and then trying to kill them when they flew down. He thought it was fun, as did passers by.
Then I saw another guy shouting and throwing things ( a bottle and a stone) at a Panda in an enclosure to try and make it move. He was rendered speechless when i started yelling in his face to leave the animal alone.
In my experience, you just wouldn't see that in the west. And if you did, then you can be sure that the perpetrator would be stopped by the general public pretty quickly.
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| So you have these statements in which he is comparing two cultures. |
Correct.
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| These are not simple observations about a few individuals in a society. They are stereotypes of an entire race that are declaring and comparing one is worse than another race. That is racism. |
You seem to be unable to distinguish between culture and race. They are two entirely different entities. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 5:30 am Post subject: Re: More stupidity on the subway |
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| Julius wrote: |
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| What Julius did was form a stereotype about Koreans. The stereotype stated that one race was worse than the other. |
Koreans are not a distinct race, neither are westerners. So how can "one race be worse than the other"?
I am comparing two cultures, not two races.
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| Or that others were better than Koreans. That is racism. |
In this regard yes. In other regards, not.
Lets see. I think Koreans are better at passing exams than americans.
Oh and by the way 25% of Americans suffer from mental disorders. read the link.
http://phobias.about.com/od/prevalence/a/phobprevus.htm
Does this make me a racist against americans ?
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| Then he compares two races and says the Chinese are probably worse. Which is a racial prejudice. Because he has little to no experience to base that on. |
How do you know I have no experience to base this on?
I was talking from first hand experience of visiting China.
E.g.: I spent a day at Beijing zoo. In that one day I saw a chinese guy putting out breadcrumbs for sparrows and then trying to kill them when they flew down. He thought it was fun, as did passers by.
Then I saw another guy shouting and throwing things ( a bottle and a stone) at a Panda in an enclosure to try and make it move. He was rendered speechless when i started yelling in his face to leave the animal alone.
In my experience, you just wouldn't see that in the west. And if you did, then you can be sure that the perpetrator would be stopped by the general public pretty quickly.
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| So you have these statements in which he is comparing two cultures. |
Correct.
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| These are not simple observations about a few individuals in a society. They are stereotypes of an entire race that are declaring and comparing one is worse than another race. That is racism. |
You seem to be unable to distinguish between culture and race. They are two entirely different entities. |
Newsflash, Koreans are a race. Hate to break it to you. But your own country thinks so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States_Census
I will agree that Americans are not a race but they are composed of other races. But if you read the definition again it says that it can be used to prove that ones race is superior or has the right to rule over other races. Notice that it doesn't say it has the right to rule over other race as in singular. It just says other races (of which there are many in America). So in this case, the other races (Americans) are superior to the lowly Korean race and hold what you think is an achievment in an advanced society of ethical treatment of animals over them. That is what I think you were doing when you rattled off all the comments about how the west does it this way.
For example, back during the lead up to WW2 Hitler claimed the Aryan race was superior to all other races. He wasn't comparing their race to another specific race, but that they were intrinsically superior to "others" (not "the others" from LOST). This is very similar to what you are doing with Koreans and Americans, except you are taking the other raceS and holding them over the singular race. And no I do not think you are like Hitler, and I probably could have found a less offensive model. It was just the first one that came to mind. So I apologize in advance for that. But would you say that when Aryans/Hitler claimed it was better than others or that others are below them, that is not racist? Or that the Nazis weren't racist towards the Jews because the Nazis are a political party consisting of a number of different people who were all unique?
The comment about passing tests is racist. You are making a stereotype about a race of people and using the stereotype to make a justification that they are better than other races. Technically, racism does not always have to be a negative statement. But it is negative towards others who are not Koreans (in this case Americans who consist of many races). Now if you said, "Korean students scored on average 100 points higher than American students on the SATs." That would not be racist. It is not saying they are intrinsically better because they are Koreans. (Like saying Koreans are better at.....). Just that in this particular round of this particular exam, that Koreans scored higher.
The comment about 25% of americans suffer from mental disorders. No it doesn't make you racist or discriminatory towards americans. It is not comparing americans to others as better or worse. It is not something based on prejudice or stereotypes.
Even if you went to China once or twice or many times, there is a billion people there. What you saw is hardly enough to be used to classify 1 billion EXTREMELY diverse people. How many hundreds of millions of them don't act like that?
So if you want to try to get out of the "I made racist comments" through a technicality (which you really aren't even correct on). Then you would at least be guilty of proclaiming racial stereotypes and racial discrimination.
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madoka
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Oh noes! Americans must now have a phobia against all animals! Why oh why must Americans violently hate animals so much?!?!!?! Perhaps all that mad cow they eat everyday has finally destroyed their minds. That and/or the AIDS and rampant drug use. If only they could love their children as much as Korean parents love theirs! I am not being racist! These are just my cultural observations. I have scientifically extrapolated from a few instances to prove that the vast majority of Americans (in excess of 99%) are this way. I'm sure more kimchi in their diets would help.
http://news.yahoo.com/cops-mcdonalds-boss-punches-mom-dog-103403079.html
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McDonald's manager in the Atlanta area is accused of punching a mother after she brought her autistic children and a service dog inside the restaurant, authorities said.
Tiffany Denise Allen is charged with simple battery, simple assault and disorderly conduct, according to a Cobb County warrant.
Jennifer Schwenker entered the McDonald's in Marietta with her twins and service dog on July 12. Allen, who was off-duty at the time, became angry that the dog was inside, the warrant states. Police say Allen followed the mother around the restaurant, then punched her in the face in the parking lot.
Surveillance video shows McDonald's employees trying to restrain their co-worker, police wrote in the warrant.
J.M. and Jan Owens, who operate the store on Bells Ferry Road, said they're cooperating with police.
"At our McDonald's restaurant, we respect and value our customers. Their safety and well-being is always a top priority," they said in a statement to The Associated Press.
"We strive to comply with all applicable laws, including the Americans with Disabilities Act," they said. "It is our policy to make our restaurants accessible to all customers, including those with disabilities and special needs, whether or not they need the assistance of service animals."
A phone listing for Allen could not be located. McDonald's officials say that she is no longer employed by the Oak Brook, Ill.-based company.
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jrwhite82
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Oh noes! Americans must now have a phobia against all animals! Why oh why must Americans violently hate animals so much?!?!!?! Perhaps all that mad cow they eat everyday has finally destroyed their minds. That and/or the AIDS and rampant drug use. If only they could love their children as much as Korean parents love theirs! I am not being racist! These are just my cultural observations.
http://news.yahoo.com/cops-mcdonalds-boss-punches-mom-dog-103403079.html
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McDonald's manager in the Atlanta area is accused of punching a mother after she brought her autistic children and a service dog inside the restaurant, authorities said.
Tiffany Denise Allen is charged with simple battery, simple assault and disorderly conduct, according to a Cobb County warrant.
Jennifer Schwenker entered the McDonald's in Marietta with her twins and service dog on July 12. Allen, who was off-duty at the time, became angry that the dog was inside, the warrant states. Police say Allen followed the mother around the restaurant, then punched her in the face in the parking lot.
Surveillance video shows McDonald's employees trying to restrain their co-worker, police wrote in the warrant.
J.M. and Jan Owens, who operate the store on Bells Ferry Road, said they're cooperating with police.
"At our McDonald's restaurant, we respect and value our customers. Their safety and well-being is always a top priority," they said in a statement to The Associated Press.
"We strive to comply with all applicable laws, including the Americans with Disabilities Act," they said. "It is our policy to make our restaurants accessible to all customers, including those with disabilities and special needs, whether or not they need the assistance of service animals."
A phone listing for Allen could not be located. McDonald's officials say that she is no longer employed by the Oak Brook, Ill.-based company. |
LMAO! This employee must have been a Korean immigrant. Or even worse, a chinese.  |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:13 am Post subject: Re: More stupidity on the subway |
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| What Julius did was form a stereotype about Koreans. The stereotype stated that one race was worse than the other. |
Koreans are not a distinct race, neither are westerners. So how can "one race be worse than the other"?
I am comparing two cultures, not two races.
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| Or that others were better than Koreans. That is racism. |
In this regard yes. In other regards, not.
Lets see. I think Koreans are better at passing exams than americans.
Oh and by the way 25% of Americans suffer from mental disorders. read the link.
http://phobias.about.com/od/prevalence/a/phobprevus.htm
Does this make me a racist against americans ?
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| Then he compares two races and says the Chinese are probably worse. Which is a racial prejudice. Because he has little to no experience to base that on. |
How do you know I have no experience to base this on?
I was talking from first hand experience of visiting China.
E.g.: I spent a day at Beijing zoo. In that one day I saw a chinese guy putting out breadcrumbs for sparrows and then trying to kill them when they flew down. He thought it was fun, as did passers by.
Then I saw another guy shouting and throwing things ( a bottle and a stone) at a Panda in an enclosure to try and make it move. He was rendered speechless when i started yelling in his face to leave the animal alone.
In my experience, you just wouldn't see that in the west. And if you did, then you can be sure that the perpetrator would be stopped by the general public pretty quickly.
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| So you have these statements in which he is comparing two cultures. |
Correct.
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| These are not simple observations about a few individuals in a society. They are stereotypes of an entire race that are declaring and comparing one is worse than another race. That is racism. |
You seem to be unable to distinguish between culture and race. They are two entirely different entities. |
Newsflash, Koreans are a race. Hate to break it to you. But your own country thinks so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States_Census
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Julius isn't American. |
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