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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:39 am    Post subject: Ask a conscript Reply with quote

Well, after what seemed like an eternity, I have less than three months of service left. I am now a sergeant and have my own squad to command, which isn't really cool as it sounds. I have no more senior conscripts giving me crap and whatever seniors I have left are soon to be discharged. What once felt like hell is now somewhat tolerable and even at times comfortable. I now have the time to reflect on all the crap thats been thrown at me (and my comrades) throughout my ROK military experience. My thoughts are more organized and perhaps I am now more objective on what I think about the Korean Army and the society that supports this system.

Anyways, a lot of people (both Korean and foreign) seem to have some misconceptions and curiousity regarding the Korean conscription. Feel free to shoot me some questions.
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Drew10



Joined: 31 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You probably already answered this, but I'm not real familiar with your situation.

Are you a KATUSA? If not...Why not?
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have the recent changes about lower rankings guys giving orders come down the pipe yet? And in a related question, what do you think is the big stress causing factor that seems to push a number of these young people over the edge?


((thanks for posting up this thread))
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Swampfox10mm



Joined: 24 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it true that men are "initiated" by a trip to the red light districts?
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samd



Joined: 03 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you get to feast on copious amounts of bbqed meat daily, or is the food garbage?
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lalartu



Joined: 29 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

does ROK really...ROCK?
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fezmond



Joined: 27 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what do you do all day? play cards, train, sleep?

i honestly have no idea
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DIsbell



Joined: 15 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you ever experience/witness any bullying or sexual abuse?

Also, similar to the previous poster's questions, could you describe a typical day for you?

You hinted that you've come to a conclusion about the Army and the society supportive of it, so I'm also curious as to what your thoughts are.

Thanks for doing this topic.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been teaching on a small base a couple evenings a week for the last few months. Small, like 20 conscripts, primarily a reserve training unit.
They're a really mixed bunch, a cross-section of early 20-somethings from all corners of the country. Nice guys, I've grown quite attached to them.

Their service is no way easy.

Socially, they're uprooted from family & friends (homesickness runs strong) & they're thrust into this random group they're obliged to get along with.

Physically, they are pushed hard. Hard training, long overnight marches, digging bunkers, lugging stuff, obligatory sports. They're kept busy. Sometimes they have easier but boring duties. Free time is rare & coveted.

Commander on this base is steely-eyed & stern. But kudos to him for arranging for me to come teach his soldiers. Our classes are relaxed (no officers) & the guys do like to vent & laugh!

From my limited outsider perspective, I've observed some benefits to these guys' service. Soft guys shaping up physically. Sullen & shy types drawn out of themselves. New friendships.

But from some I sense a simmering resentment that two years are being stolen from them. They're all counting down the days.

Today I went to a big local dragon boat competition to cheer my guys on. They really put their hearts into it & had fun. Their "boss" though will be angry at their second-place finish.

I also would like to hear the OP's inside insights.
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the experience depends what you get drafted into and your personality. I've met people that just delivered mail for 2 years, or drive some truck around, or watched for fires in the forest, and other who had to be on the DMZ. Some absolutely hated it, some liked it and most just felt neutral about it (something they just have to do).

My guess is it all comes down to personality on how those 2 years go for your average Korean male.
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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How often the newbies cry?
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marsavalanche



Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish

PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you got any advice for the ladies brah?
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carleverson



Joined: 04 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

will you ever answer any of these questions?
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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Have the recent changes about lower rankings guys giving orders come down the pipe yet? And in a related question, what do you think is the big stress causing factor that seems to push a number of these young people over the edge?


Nope. We haven't been briefed on the changes. I heard about this on the news and my CO hasn't said one thing about this yet. Not sure if its official, and if it is, it'll take time before it gets implemented. I think its pretty unrealistic, but it'll affect me very little since I'm a squad leader, I am authorized to order members of my squad.

As for what makes guys crack, it's probably a variety of factors but I personally think it has more to the changing culture of Korea as a whole. Newer generations aren't as used to taking crap from superiors and most kids are really just kids who haven't endured an actual hardship before the military. Of course there also the individual differences, since the vast majority of guys don't end up blasting their comrades. Some guys can take it and some guys can't, which only proves to me that not everybody should be given guns and ammo. The military has definitely gotten better but it still sucks for almost everybody.

The one thing the military doesn't want the civilian world to know is how bad it really is. At least one guy goes AWOL or commits suicide pretty much every month and that kind of stuff never gets reported in the news. The stress experienced by most conscripts is immense. You can imagine what its like for a young guy to suddenly be tossed into a strict prison like environment, away from home, away from his friends and family, with very little physical comfort, shoddy nutrition, little sleep, and all these people are shouting at him and verbally abusing him constantly. Its not like he signed up for it either. The ROK military isn't just run very well. I mentioned how I'm a SGT and I don't have any senior conscripts giving me crap, but I still have officers and NCOs above me and the environment of the Army in general is one that chokes the life out of me. I've met career soldiers who say the same thing.


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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
You probably already answered this, but I'm not real familiar with your situation.

Are you a KATUSA? If not...Why not?


No. The criteria for getting in requires a TOEIC score of 760(or somewhere around that area) or more and luck. If you have the score, you apply online and the applicants are selected randomly. I had a score of 970 but not the luck. I would have loved to be in the KATUSA. I read and heard a lot about the KATUSA and it is many many times better than being in the regular ROK Army.

carleverson wrote:
will you ever answer any of these questions?


Sorry for the delay. I'm out on leave now and totally forgot about this thread due to all the freedom I'm enjoying. I'll get around to answering more questions when I return to base.
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