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GENO123
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 Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:34 am Post subject: Study says U.S. shale may weaken Iran, Russia |
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Study says U.S. shale may weaken Iran, Russia
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The natural gas boom in the U.S. has weakened Russia's influence on European energy supplies and could keep Iran's influence in check for years to come, according to a new study from the Baker Institute for Public Policy at Rice University.
The study, "Shale Gas and U.S. National Security," says the surge of drilling in shale formations will have an impact on global supply for years to come and limit the need for the U.S. to import liquefied natural gas, or LNG, for at least 20 to 30 years. |
Read more: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/energy/7662475.html#ixzz1Sk6uE4ld |
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young_clinton
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| Great After being given a partial reprieve because of the Sun's cool cycle, we can pump out more greenhouse gases because of the huge supply of natural gas from shale. |
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Julius
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| Great After being given a partial reprieve because of the Sun's cool cycle, we can pump out more greenhouse gases because of the huge supply of natural gas from shale. |
According to VisitorQ its OK because nothing we do has any effect. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| young_clinton wrote: |
| Great After being given a partial reprieve because of the Sun's cool cycle, we can pump out more greenhouse gases because of the huge supply of natural gas from shale. |
According to VisitorQ its OK because nothing we do has any effect. |
I see you're putting words into other peoples' mouths again (using straw man arguments every time is the sure sign of poor debater)...
At any rate, there is not a single negative aspect to the above story that I could spot. More natural gas on the market is a great thing, the more the better. We also should burn more coal too (since it's cheap and abundant and very clean if the latest technology is employed to filter out particulate matter - as well as giving a slight CO2 boost for plant life, which never hurts  ). Burning more highly abundant fossil fuels would allow us to phase out nuclear energy (which unlike CO2 emissions, clearly does have an impact, as per Fukushima). |
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SMOE NSET
Joined: 25 Feb 2010
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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All I have to say about natural gas and "fracking" is watch this movie:
www.gaslandthemovie.com/ |
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sirius black
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Moving away from an oil based society would be the biggest thing to ending the problems in the middle east. With the exception of Israel, its why we and the rest of the west is there.
Remove that incentive and the middle east will do what they do when they don't have a common enemy. They'll fight amongst themselves. Saudi Arabia fears Iran more than any other nation. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
Moving away from an oil based society would be the biggest thing to ending the problems in the middle east. With the exception of Israel, its why we and the rest of the west is there.
Remove that incentive and the middle east will do what they do when they don't have a common enemy. They'll fight amongst themselves. Saudi Arabia fears Iran more than any other nation. |
Has Saudi Arabia, Iran, or any other country in the Middle East threatened Europe or the US homeland or its territories? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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This won't do much. Energy is energy. Everyone wants and needs it.
So the U.S. doesn't buy it, whoop-de-do.
China, Japan, Korea, India, Europe all need it. Things will stay the same. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| sirius black wrote: |
Moving away from an oil based society would be the biggest thing to ending the problems in the middle east. With the exception of Israel, its why we and the rest of the west is there.
Remove that incentive and the middle east will do what they do when they don't have a common enemy. They'll fight amongst themselves. Saudi Arabia fears Iran more than any other nation. |
Has Saudi Arabia, Iran, or any other country in the Middle East threatened Europe or the US homeland or its territories? |
I'll pick Iran for $1000 Alex. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| I see you're putting words into other peoples' mouths again (using straw man arguments every time is the sure sign of poor debater)... |
Wrong! After reading many of his posts, one can reasonably conclude he is a master debater. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| sirius black wrote: |
Moving away from an oil based society would be the biggest thing to ending the problems in the middle east. With the exception of Israel, its why we and the rest of the west is there.
Remove that incentive and the middle east will do what they do when they don't have a common enemy. They'll fight amongst themselves. Saudi Arabia fears Iran more than any other nation. |
Has Saudi Arabia, Iran, or any other country in the Middle East threatened Europe or the US homeland or its territories? |
I'll pick Iran for $1000 Alex. |
Please. The petty nation-state of Iran versus the superpower? Don't think I'm being arrogant, but if Iran had the cajones to strike they would have . . . and received the consequences. The United States has a problem with proportionality. That's not necessarily always bad thing when it comes to deterrence against usurper nation-state rivals. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| sirius black wrote: |
Moving away from an oil based society would be the biggest thing to ending the problems in the middle east. With the exception of Israel, its why we and the rest of the west is there.
Remove that incentive and the middle east will do what they do when they don't have a common enemy. They'll fight amongst themselves. Saudi Arabia fears Iran more than any other nation. |
Has Saudi Arabia, Iran, or any other country in the Middle East threatened Europe or the US homeland or its territories? |
I'll pick Iran for $1000 Alex. |
Please. The petty nation-state of Iran versus the superpower? Don't think I'm being arrogant, but if Iran had the cajones to strike they would have . . . and received the consequences. The United States has a problem with proportionality. That's not necessarily always bad thing when it comes to deterrence against usurper nation-state rivals. |
That wasn't the question though. You asked what country in the Middle East has threatened Europe or the U.S homeland, not which country was a threat. I merely pointed out that Iran has threatened the U.S more than once.
Whether or not Iran can carry out such threats is another thing altogether.
And yes I agree that the U.S would likely turn Iran into a dust bowl. |
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