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Mr. BlackCat
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Before Google bought youtube and starting putting ads on things most copyright protected material wasn't available on the site (legally). The fact is, if you're watching someone's personal upload you don't see the commercials and if a pop up does happen you can x-it simply. The ads you're seeing are on copyrighted material that you would see ads during at a different pace in their original context (TV).
Listen, I'm a borderline Socialist. I don't like the pervasion of advertising in our modern society and I certainly don't watch youtube ads with glee. However, if I am using a service like youtube that provides me with something I want for free then I will put up with advertisements. Health care and education are two things that should be free and available in our society, liberated from the chains of corporate interests. Entertainment costs money and if I can get it for free as long as I 'suffer' through 30 seconds of some company pushing their product then I'm totally fine with that. If anything, we should be more upset at the movie industry which has driven up prices for tickets while at the same time has added crude amounts of advertising both before the show and during it.
My point isn't that you should be glad that you don't have to walk through snow uphill both ways to watch youtube, it's that you should be very happy that youtube exists at all. It's like complaining that you had to pay cash money in 1986 for your VCR instead of JVC just handing you one after years of expensive research because you deserve it...for some reason. Things cost money, and unless you're going to pay a fee for every video you watch then someone has to put up the cash for you. And this argument goes further than just youtube, but most free websites (don't like pop-ups, stop looking at porn) and other 'free' or subsidized services.
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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Maybe I just don't like people who whine and moan about everything under the sun and blame everyone else for their problems and do nothing to adapt or deal with it.
Sorry to break the bad news, but youtube doesn't love you and exist to make you happy. |
its not just pissing and whining about everything...its about one thing Ads and the time YOU lose in your life
adapt and deal? most people have, honestly i can't remember the last time i turned on any of my T.V.s to watch a show on Regular TV or Cable...i watch everything online...WHY? i get to avoid 100% of crappy ads
let's say i watch three shows Online vs. three Shows on regular T.V.
it equals out to about 30 mins. or another Show i could watch or do something else rather than have to watch Ads
Korea does it right, most programs i watch put all their Ads at the end of a show which to me is great...i think most British shows do this too
its a much more convenient way to get up after one show, grab a snack, take a bathroom break, etc. and then come back to watch something else than to run back or guess when the show will start again |
Fine, go make your own free video website.
Oh wait, that would cost you money. How will you pay for it?
Hard to deal with? Use a tabbed browser. Have a random wiki article on one tab. On the other click on your youtube link. Mute the video. Then spend the 30 seconds reading about whatever is on your wiki tab. You aren't wasting your time and you get to learn something.
All I hear is a bunch of "blah blah blah" from people who have never ran their own business.
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i think many of you aren't looking at the big picture...its not just ONE 30 second ad.
if you add up all those 30 second ads, let's say you watch 10-20 videos...thats 3 mins. to 6 mins. of time watching Advertisements which for many is useless crap...and seriously if you buy something from a Ad that you see or a Spam, you fall into a special class of human
Google is not going to just stop at Ads, they didn't HAVE to put it over almost every single video but they did...why? because YouTube dominates the video streaming market and they knew most people would suffer through it (hopefully something better will come along)
also, Google is a corporation and their forcing you to watch crappy advertisements for products about 99% percent will never buy
so let's say on average its 3-6 mins. a day or if you watch let's say 1 American TV Show, if you watch that same show online, it comes out to about 20-22 mins. of actual show...that means about 8-10 mins. is spent on Advertisements
10-20 YouTube videos a day:
3 mins. a day = 1,095 mins. a year
6 mins. a day = 2,190 mins. a year |
Fine, stop watching TV, problem solved.
TV shows cost money. Do you think those actors are going to work for free?
Oh, but you who watch the bloody thing for 22 minutes shouldn't have to pay a cent. It should be some corporation or someone else who should foot the bill.
Put it another way
22 mins. a day= 8,030 mins a year of entertainment.
I think you should pay for that. I say a reasonable rate would be minimum wage for one employee. Just one employee, the 2nd grip or the associate producer or Ethnic Thug #2 or whoever.
Minimum wage at 8 bucks an hour times 334.58 hours= 2676 dollars and change you owe.
Or instead of paying that, you could sit through 2,190 minutes of commercials, spread out.
Your choice.
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| its not just pissing and whining about everything...its about one thing Ads and the time YOU lose in your life |
One more thing, don't whine about the time you're losing in life if you're spending that time on youtube and watching TV.
Oh boohoo, you are losing precious time that you could have spent watching some idiot crash his bike or some fight at a Denny's.
Go read a book.
Good grief, tis a sad day for sanity when Me and Mr. Blackcat are both united in our bewilderment concerning an issue.
Actually, its not all surprising. Dave's may have its bashers and apologists who remind me of Mainstream Democrats and Mainlstream Republicans. But then Sarah Palin walks in and everyone just rolls their eyes.
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| +1 to Steelrails and Blackcat. |
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Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:18 am Post subject: um |
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| I use firefox and adblock plus and I activate all subscriptions and I never see any advertisements on my comp |
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2i2dk1ny2i3
Joined: 26 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| Fine, go make your own free video website. |
Be realistic and stop taking it to heart
Like I said, I stopped using YouTube because there are ways to avoid YouTube and still get entertainment
And you do know that there are Sites that don�t force you to watch those Ads right over your video and have them on the side?
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| Use a tabbed browser. |
Already do and beside the point
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| Fine, stop watching TV, problem solved. |
Like I said, I already have stopped watching regular TV and even Cable
Also, like I said, Korea does it right, bunches like 5/6 Ads at the end of a show�same idea could work in America and everywhere else but it won�t ever happen
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| TV shows cost money. Do you think those actors are going to work for free? |
Please don�t try and jump on the side of actors who usually get paid ridiculous amount in comparison to their actual work load
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One more thing, don't whine about the time you're losing in life if you're spending that time on youtube and watching TV.
Oh boohoo, you are losing precious time that you could have spent watching some idiot crash his bike or some fight at a Denny's.
Go read a book. |
How is it whining? Its my life right and I care a great deal about the time I spend in my life and I hope you do as well
Don�t just generalize based on what you think is acceptable for you�maybe you care less and have become accustomed to a point where you accept Ads and corporations bombarding you with useless crap
Put it like this, HOW many times have you seen an Ad or Spam and thought, dang, I really need that, or I really should get that? Hardly never or none right? So why should you subject yourself to it?
Its like a little kid who burns his hand on the stove once, and doesn�t learn and continually burns himself because he just doesn�t get it
Also, Google doesn�t HAVE to do Ads the way they do, imagine it like this, YouTube going back to when you could watch whatever video you want�and like many people did, watch them in a row and spend maybe half hour or hour getting some laughs learning something, etc.
How�s it feel when you watch something funny and click on next video and see an Ad for viagara�kinda bums you out no?
Only way Google will change is if people stop watching it and/or the next big thing comes along that proves to be a viable competitor to YouTube
I choose not to be a blind eyed supporter and just �Accept� everything in my life as is
If you don�t see it as losing time in your life, well then keep on watching those Ads and don�t compalin about the next Ad about erectile dysfunction medication, insurance company, dog food, or any number of crap you could have avoided |
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2i2dk1ny2i3
Joined: 26 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:21 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
| Entertainment costs money and if I can get it for free as long as I 'suffer' through 30 seconds of some company pushing their product then I'm totally fine with that. If anything, we should be more upset at the movie industry which has driven up prices for tickets while at the same time has added crude amounts of advertising both before the show and during it. |
you make more rational sense than Steels
i understand Entertainment costs money and everyone has to get paid, from the Director to the Actors, to the Cast, to the Caters, to the rest of the Crew, the Managers, etc.
simply put, its not USEFUL to about 99% of people who aren't compelled by Ads they see
Does it help you in ANY WAY? almost every time NO, it does not...have you ever bought anything from those silly ads? again most would answer NO
now if i said you could avoid those Ads altogether or you could stick with YouTube and their 30 sec. Ads what would you choose?
Let's not get into all the product placement that goes on in Movies...i can put up with most of it if its done within the context of a movie but some films, you can totally see an Ad was thrown into a movie before the actual movie which can ruin a film...imo |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Already do and beside the point |
Actually, that's precisely the point. Cue up 5 videos on tabs, mute them, and watch them in sequence. That way you avoid the ads.
I know, it takes you 5 extra seconds. Tough. Life isn't brought to you on a silver platter.
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| Like I said, I already have stopped watching regular TV and even Cable |
Then what's the problem?
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| Please don�t try and jump on the side of actors who usually get paid ridiculous amount in comparison to their actual work load |
You ever try acting? Not the easiest of things.
Put it this way- You are trying to get entertainment without paying those actors a cent.
Who is ripping off whom?
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| How is it whining? Its my life right and I care a great deal about the time I spend in my life and I hope you do as well |
If something like this causes you this much grief, sorry but life will deal you cards far worse than this and in order to deal with those cards you won't be able to whine. Buck up dude.
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| Put it like this, HOW many times have you seen an Ad or Spam and thought, dang, I really need that, or I really should get that? Hardly never or none right? So why should you subject yourself to it? |
Just because I haven't fallen for an ad doesn't mean other people don't.
They don't make ads specifically for me. Duh.
The company and the website operators are free to do what they want. I as a consumer are free to choose. The website has to pay its bills and make some money. Me whining about it accomplishes nothing.
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| Also, Google doesn�t HAVE to do Ads the way they do, imagine it like this, YouTube going back to when you could watch whatever video you want�and like many people did, watch them in a row and spend maybe half hour or hour getting some laughs learning something, etc. |
Yes, Google should be a charity that exists to make you and me happy and fit our whims.
And you can still do that with videos as I outlined above. Cue them up in tabs. Anyone with a bit of sense regarding computers should know this.
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| How�s it feel when you watch something funny and click on next video and see an Ad for viagara�kinda bums you out no? |
No, it doesn't. I cue up other videos or check facebook for 30 seconds.
Be stronger.
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| If you don�t see it as losing time in your life, well then keep on watching those Ads and don�t compalin about the next Ad about erectile dysfunction medication, insurance company, dog food, or any number of crap you could have avoided |
I do avoid them.
I like the fact that youtube is still a free service considering how much resources such a site must consume.
If the occasional 30 second ad is required to keep it free, fine.
Things cost money. Youtube and Google aren't charities. AND THEY DON'T EXIST TO MAKE YOU HAPPY. |
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2i2dk1ny2i3
Joined: 26 Jun 2011
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Actually, that's precisely the point. Cue up 5 videos on tabs, mute them, and watch them in sequence. That way you avoid the ads.
I know, it takes you 5 extra seconds. Tough. Life isn't brought to you on a silver platter. |
Oh I see now, so open up 5 Tabs, click Mute 5 more times, then click on them 5 more times to watch them in sequence, and in between those 30 seconds, click on my Facebook or wiki
This method is genius
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| Then what's the problem? |
Never said there was a problem
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| You ever try acting? Not the easiest of things. |
No i haven�t but i�ve lived in Hollywood so please, let�s not go there. And you claiming some wild outlandish fact that acting is harder any where else than Hollywood, I�ll save you the trouble
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Put it this way- You are trying to get entertainment without paying those actors a cent.
Who is ripping off whom? |
Funny, I thought Ads were suppose to SELL something or target a CONSUMER, guess I�m neither
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| If something like this causes you this much grief, sorry but life will deal you cards far worse than this and in order to deal with those cards you won't be able to whine. Buck up dude. |
I do CARE, that is exactly why I choose to avoid Advertisements as much as possible�maybe your life means less to you but I care about mine
Please don�t try and sound prolific or profound that you have more life experience than me
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Just because I haven't fallen for an ad doesn't mean other people don't.
They don't make ads specifically for me. Duh. |
Fallen for it? Meaning become a sucker right? Your talking about the small 1% that actually do fall for Advertisements and they are suckers right?
If not, go ahead and try to defend the 1%, I�d like to see what you come up with
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| Yes, Google should be a charity that exists to make you and me happy and fit our whims. |
Never said Google should be a charity but simply put, Google has a monopoly and dominates Web Search and Videos to a point its not fair for everyone�Monopolies have been broken up in the past, why? Because they always lead to crappier service, less customer relation, and worse products
Free markets produce better products, better customer service, etc.
Prove me wrong where a Monopoly has been superior to a Free Market, I�ll wait
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No, it doesn't. I cue up other videos or check facebook for 30 seconds.
Be stronger. |
Don�t get me into how many violations Facebook has been able to get away with�if it continues on its path, your privacy will become almost non-existent and checking it for 30 seconds? No thanks
You have to be smarter and more rational than you have presented yourself
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| Things cost money. Youtube and Google aren't charities. AND THEY DON'T EXIST TO MAKE YOU HAPPY. |
Again you miss the point, never said their Charities but did YouTube run fine before Googles acquisition? Yes
Was it better when it was Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, and other Search providers were in competition, yes (AND if you look back, what made Google win was it was effective, simple, clean, and Ad free)
Google has a monopoly on Search Engine and Video Streaming, if you are so blind that you can�t see that they are or will not acknowledge it, just keep watching your videos and be happy its free
BTW, if you want to know why Monopolies are bad, take a look at old Ma Bell (AT&T) then when they got broken up and the new AT&T who just acquired T-Mobile (again starting to become a monopoly) and Verizon�the two biggest Cell Phone providers in USA now starting a Tier price plan why? Because they can now
Netflix, same deal without competition, corporations are free to hike up prices as they see fit, provide crap service, bombard you with advertisements that benefit you zero to little, and sometimes even sell your information
Get a clue, research, care more about yourself and think it all the way through |
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premiummince
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| I guess I see the point and now enjoy these ads. |
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premiummince
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| I guess I see the point and now enjoy these ads. |
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premiummince
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| I guess I see the point and now enjoy these ads. |
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Steelrails
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Steelrails
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Oh I see now, so open up 5 Tabs, click Mute 5 more times, then click on them 5 more times to watch them in sequence, and in between those 30 seconds, click on my Facebook or wiki
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Try it, its a lot faster and a lot more flowing once you get it down.
Clicking 5 tabs takes aobut 1 second. Clicking mute takes about 5.
Then while the video buffer, you read a wiki article and expand your mind.
Oh that's right, buffering.
If you can deal with buffering, you can deal with ads.
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| No i haven�t but i�ve lived in Hollywood so please, let�s not go there. |
I've seen plenty of bad actors. Pay good actors good money.
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Funny, I thought Ads were suppose to SELL something or target a CONSUMER, guess I�m neither
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Again, the ads are not just about you. They are about the millions of people who view them.
What a myopic view of the world you have.
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I do CARE, that is exactly why I choose to avoid Advertisements as much as possible�maybe your life means less to you but I care about mine
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If you care so much about your life what you doing watching crap on youtube?
You sound like non smokers who whine about their health and then proceed to down a plate of Chili Cheese Fries and a 40 oz. of beer.
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Never said Google should be a charity but simply put, Google has a monopoly and dominates Web Search and Videos to a point its not fair for everyone�Monopolies have been broken up in the past, why? Because they always lead to crappier service, less customer relation, and worse products
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Google does not have a monopoly on web searching. I can upload and stream a video on dailymotion.
That's like saying Facebook has a monopoly on social networking. Only if one allows it too. It's not like they buy out everyother company or control a tangible resource.
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if it continues on its path, your privacy will become almost non-existent and checking it for 30 seconds? No thanks
You have to be smarter and more rational than you have presented yourself
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Non-Existant? Oh really?
There is an obvious solution- close my account. Problem solved.
You should not be as helpless and feeble as you present yourself.
"The world is soooooo cruel. I have to wait for 30 seconds to watch a video!!!"
I'm sure some starving Bangladeshi has sympathy for you.
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Google has a monopoly on Search Engine and Video Streaming, if you are so blind that you can�t see that they are or will not acknowledge it, just keep watching your videos and be happy its free
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I guess all the time I use Daum and Naver or the occasional journey over to yahoo and all the vids I see on Dailymotion must have been a mirage.
Of course I could break Googles monopoly on me simply by turning off my computer and going out and playing soccer or read a book.
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| Get a clue, research, care more about yourself and think it all the way through |
I care enough about myself to not allow things to affect me to such a degree that I get hysterical about them. Ads pop up on youtube, I developed a way to deal with it. I don't own youtube. They can make their own choices. If they make choices I don't like I'll find another provider. If they become the sole provider, I'll find something else to do with my time besides watching Soccer Riot clips and a Family Guy gag reel.
Fortunately I remember a time before all of this and don't feel entitled to it. It sure beats dial-up.
My life was perfectly fine before youtube existed. Youtube has been a plus, but it doesn't sustain me.
Here's an idea- get away from technology. If it freaks you out this much, maybe you aren't strong/disciplined enough to handle it.
Try going a week without your computer (aside for work). Just read books, or play sports, or knit or something. Make plans face to face. Write paper and pen letters or just use the old landline phone.
I myself always have a book beside my computer so that anytime I run into a bottleneck or delay of some sort I just pick up the book and read. It's not that hard to do.
Besides if your time was so precious you wouldn't have spent all this time arguing and yapping with me about it.
Besides, ads are a small price to pay for my TBs of "legal"downloads and buccaneered games. I'm not about to get all high and mighty to google.
So I assume everything on your HD is legit right?
If you say "yes", then I hope you're lying. If you aren't then I don't know what to say other than you are either truly noble or a complete bore. |
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2i2dk1ny2i3
Joined: 26 Jun 2011
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Try it, its a lot faster and a lot more flowing once you get it down.
Clicking 5 tabs takes aobut 1 second. Clicking mute takes about 5.
Then while the video buffer, you read a wiki article and expand your mind.
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i Tab browse and actually use Opera > Mozilla which many prefer, why? because i prefer Opera and at least this is a way to help those who still use Browsers w/out Tabs
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What a myopic view of the world you have. |
That�s kind of the point, if these Ads aren�t for me? And IF there was a way around them, most would choose to avoid them
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If you care so much about your life what you doing watching crap on youtube?
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I don�t use YouTube very rarely now because of their Ads
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Google does not have a monopoly on web searching. I can upload and stream a video on dailymotion. |
Google IS like a Monopoly and so is YouTube�looks at the Top Three Sites by Site Traffic as reported by Alexa:
http://www.alexa.com/
1. Google 2. YouTube 3. Facebook
On the Internet, its all about being number 1 or very near it or they will fade to non-existent�read this in-depth article in Bloomberg Business (in paper form so you can count this as my time away from the internet) about MySpace and how something that was beating Facebook, is now nothing more than an afterthought for most
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That's like saying Facebook has a monopoly on social networking. Only if one allows it too. It's not like they buy out everyother company or control a tangible resource. |
Facebook IS like a monopoly�honestly how many people you know still use MySpace or Friendster or even as far back as AOL? Almost no one unless you want to feel like a social outcast or nostalgic over good times gone by
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Non-Existant? Oh really?
There is an obvious solution- close my account. Problem solved.
You should not be as helpless and feeble as you present yourself. |
If your as gullible as to think that when your Account closes, its gone forever�you�re highly mistaken
Just look at this quick Top Nine list:
1. Google's immortal cookie: Google was the first search engine to use a cookie that expires in 2038
2. Google records everything they can
3.Google retains all data indefinitely
4. Google won't say why they need this data
5. Google hires spooks
6. Google's toolbar is spyware
7. Google's cache copy is illegal
8. Google is not your friend
9. Google is a privacy time bomb: With 200 million searches per day, most from outside the U.S., Google amounts to a privacy disaster waiting to happen
Google as Big Brother
http://www.google-watch.org/bigbro.html
Google's monopoly, algorithms, and privacy policies
http://www.google-watch.org/
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You should not be as helpless and feeble as you present yourself. |
Ever heard of �Data Mining� just do a search and read up if you really wanna get informed�knowledge frees us from becoming helpless and feeble
And ACTUALLY, by not using YouTube as much as I used to, I would say I�m not playing into it
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I guess all the time I use Daum and Naver or the occasional journey over to yahoo and all the vids I see on Dailymotion must have been a mirage. |
I know Naver and Daum are big in Korea, but worldwide, numbers by users, by site traffic, etc. etc. Google usually sees about two, three times other sites�again look at Alexa, numbers don�t lie
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Of course I could break Googles monopoly on me simply by turning off my computer and going out and playing soccer or read a book. |
K that�s all fine and dandy in a dream world, but I don�t know about you but I use the Internet�a lot, why? Because it has made my life better, faster
Example. Wanna do some Banking? Online v. going all the way to the Bank
Need a receipe? Need directions? Worried about some medical condition? Looking for that new hit song/hit show/etc. etc. INTERNET owns in all categories
Turning off your computer is not a rational solution, how long do you honestly think you would last w/out technology? Or let me put it this way, remember how long it used to take to connect to the Internet on 56K Modem w/all that crappy buzzing, beeping, etc. etc.
You don�t want your life to back pedal, life is about moving forward, faster and getting the MOST out of it for you, your significant other, your family etc.
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Fortunately I remember a time before all of this and don't feel entitled to it. It sure beats dial-up. |
I agree with you, life is A LOT better now and we live in an age our Grand Parents never could have imagined�I mean think how far we will advance by the time the next generation is our age
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My life was perfectly fine before youtube existed. Youtube has been a plus, but it doesn't sustain me. |
Yeah but YouTube at its core, is about individual users posting up individual interests that other identify with�you can literally see someone w/the same interests as you the world over�for good or bad
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Here's an idea- get away from technology. If it freaks you out this much, maybe you aren't strong/disciplined enough to handle it. |
Don�t deny technology�I actually consider myself �old school� in a lotta ways�all through College I used Pen/Paper
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Try going a week without your computer (aside for work). Just read books, or play sports, or knit or something. Make plans face to face. Write paper and pen letters or just use the old landline phone. |
I know what your saying and �getting away� from technology is good but only so far, Phone, no way it just makes life easier
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Besides if your time was so precious you wouldn't have spent all this time arguing and yapping with me about it. |
No, I disagree, all this Time spent arguing with you was for good.
My ultimate goal is still to go back to Korea and teach this time, see my Family, etc. etc.
This Site has motivated me to keep going and I enjoy coming here to talk with fellow members because I feel in some small way, they educate, enlighten, show me a new way of looking at something
Example: Steels far left or right opinions on about anything or everything�just kidding
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So I assume everything on your HD is legit right?
If you say "yes", then I hope you're lying. If you aren't then I don't know what to say other than you are either truly noble or a complete bore. |
No comment, let�s just say while I�m talking to you, both my Desktops are on and I run Dual 22 Inch monitors so I stare at Four Monitors sometimes |
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marsavalanche
Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish
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| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| my epenis is this big!!! |
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