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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| litebear wrote: |
| Slightly off topic but this is one of the reasons why women should be wary of jobs that request female only applicants. Often Korean hagwon bosses will believe they can take advantage of them by pulling stunts like the above. |
Yep...happened to one of my close friends with an international school job that looked amazing on paper, only once she got there she realized the reason they weren't hiring men is because they expected to be able to boss around their female employees. |
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Feloria
Joined: 02 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:00 am Post subject: |
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Right-the apostilled degree does not expire.
The CBC does expire because you could always commit crimes over time, but time isn't going to change the fact that your apostilled degree is a "true and correct copy" of your original-it's notarized to that fact.
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bluethree
Joined: 20 May 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Son Deureo! - you're a bit off, I believe.
IF you've turned in a federal background check, you are exempt from having to do that again IF you don't leave Korea for more than 3 months. So, you leave the country, cancel your visa, come back, find a new job - you don't need to turn in the criminal check again.
Now, don't quote me on this - this is what I was told by immigration. I got my FBI check earlier this year and turned it in. Being the cautious fellow that I am, I asked them about when my job was done - if I transferred the visa. No problem they said. I THEN asked - what if I cancel the visa/it expires and I have to get a new visa? They said I had to turn in all new documents EXCEPT the CBC, AS LONG AS it was within 3 months of my old visa.
So, you have that going for you - you probably won't have to deal with the CBC stuff again. |
Right now I have an FBI CBC that expires at the end of the month but no job offer yet - I'll have to start looking as my school won't renew me. So does this mean I can bring in the FBI CBC in advance before finding an offer and it'll still count for the new job if it takes me more time than expected to find one? |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| nathanrutledge wrote: |
Son Deureo! - you're a bit off, I believe.
IF you've turned in a federal background check, you are exempt from having to do that again IF you don't leave Korea for more than 3 months. So, you leave the country, cancel your visa, come back, find a new job - you don't need to turn in the criminal check again.
Now, don't quote me on this - this is what I was told by immigration. I got my FBI check earlier this year and turned it in. Being the cautious fellow that I am, I asked them about when my job was done - if I transferred the visa. No problem they said. I THEN asked - what if I cancel the visa/it expires and I have to get a new visa? They said I had to turn in all new documents EXCEPT the CBC, AS LONG AS it was within 3 months of my old visa.
So, you have that going for you - you probably won't have to deal with the CBC stuff again. |
Interesting. A little over a year ago I called Immi and they told me I'd need to start over from scratch, including CRC. However, Immi is constantly changing things so the moral of the story is: call Immigration. They have English speakers at their 1345 hotline. |
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Ice Tea
Joined: 23 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| SeoulNate wrote: |
...you could always remind them about you going to the pension and tax office if things get really bad. Sure, it is blackmail, but what they are doing to you isnt much better.
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This is your best and least costly option. The school is breaking the law. Use that against them to win the concessions that you want. It's perfect either way it plays out, you win. Either they give into your demands and you get what you want or they don't, you report them to the labor board and tax office and get an extra $1000 in pension income plus real health insurance. I'm sure whatever health insurance you have right now is some crap supplemental insurance that won't even begin to cover your expenses should you get serious sick. I've witnessed this first hand. Oh yeah, don't forget to file your taxes either, because as an independent contractor they won't do it for you. |
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HarryMorgan
Joined: 02 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| nathanrutledge wrote: |
Son Deureo! - you're a bit off, I believe.
IF you've turned in a federal background check, you are exempt from having to do that again IF you don't leave Korea for more than 3 months. So, you leave the country, cancel your visa, come back, find a new job - you don't need to turn in the criminal check again.
Now, don't quote me on this - this is what I was told by immigration. I got my FBI check earlier this year and turned it in. Being the cautious fellow that I am, I asked them about when my job was done - if I transferred the visa. No problem they said. I THEN asked - what if I cancel the visa/it expires and I have to get a new visa? They said I had to turn in all new documents EXCEPT the CBC, AS LONG AS it was within 3 months of my old visa.
So, you have that going for you - you probably won't have to deal with the CBC stuff again. |
Interesting. A little over a year ago I called Immi and they told me I'd need to start over from scratch, including CRC. However, Immi is constantly changing things so the moral of the story is: call Immigration. They have English speakers at their 1345 hotline. |
I just got off the line with a guy at immigration who told me I would need to start the process all over again. Shouldn't there be something written on hiKorea or elsewhere about this? I understand runs are touchy subjects, but is there something more reliable than the immigration call center? I dunno. In my situation, I doubt I'll be able to get any kind of LOR; and even if I did, it would come at the expense of not being able to report them and probably involve me lying to a replacement, which I'm unwilling to do.
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| This is your best and least costly option. The school is breaking the law. Use that against them to win the concessions that you want. It's perfect either way it plays out, you win. Either they give into your demands and you get what you want or they don't, you report them to the labor board and tax office and get an extra $1000 in pension income plus real health insurance. I'm sure whatever health insurance you have right now is some crap supplemental insurance that won't even begin to cover your expenses should you get serious sick. I've witnessed this first hand. Oh yeah, don't forget to file your taxes either, because as an independent contractor they won't do it for you. |
This is what I'm presently doing, though I have yet to bring up the labor board or tax office. Part of me is afraid that they're going to can me if I push too hard, and without new docs I would be stuck out on a limb. I've received some decent concessions, but it ain't no health care. I mentioned this in a previous post but I'm still curious about how hard I should push. For now it seems the best route is to take the pay raise and stay on the DL until I get the new documents. |
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Ice Tea
Joined: 23 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:04 am Post subject: |
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This is what I'm presently doing, though I have yet to bring up the labor board or tax office. Part of me is afraid that they're going to can me if I push too hard, and without new docs I would be stuck out on a limb. I've received some decent concessions, but it ain't no health care. I mentioned this in a previous post but I'm still curious about how hard I should push. For now it seems the best route is to take the pay raise and stay on the DL until I get the new documents. |
No. If faced with a choice between letting the other teacher teach kindy or being forced by the labor board to provide health insurance and pension for all their employees, they will, without a second thought, give you what you want. If they fire you, you still report them, they still lose. Also, if you're fired, ta-da, you are now released and can get a new job. YOU WANT TO BE FIRED!. Better, YOU WANT TO BE FIRED BECAUSE YOU REPORTED THEM TO THE LABOR BOARD. That way, the labor board can do all kinds of nice things for you, like force them to pay you two months salary for nothing. Koreans are terribly predictable. They will always chose the path that saves them money and effort. They never make decisions based on principles or policy. You're good. |
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HarryMorgan
Joined: 02 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| Ice Tea wrote: |
| HarryMorgan wrote: |
This is what I'm presently doing, though I have yet to bring up the labor board or tax office. Part of me is afraid that they're going to can me if I push too hard, and without new docs I would be stuck out on a limb. I've received some decent concessions, but it ain't no health care. I mentioned this in a previous post but I'm still curious about how hard I should push. For now it seems the best route is to take the pay raise and stay on the DL until I get the new documents. |
No. If faced with a choice between letting the other teacher teach kindy or being forced by the labor board to provide health insurance and pension for all their employees, they will, without a second thought, give you what you want. If they fire you, you still report them, they still lose. Also, if you're fired, ta-da, you are now released and can get a new job. YOU WANT TO BE FIRED!. Better, YOU WANT TO BE FIRED BECAUSE YOU REPORTED THEM TO THE LABOR BOARD. That way, the labor board can do all kinds of nice things for you, like force them to pay you two months salary for nothing. Koreans are terribly predictable. They will always chose the path that saves them money and effort. They never make decisions based on principles or policy. You're good. |
Hm, interesting. I wasn't the OP and don't teach kindergarten (just a hijacker, sorry OP), but I've read past threads which said that being fired isn't necessarily a bad thing if you're in a bad situation. Maybe I will consider that over a run. Seems like it would definitely save me some money, but I have to look into that more thoroughly. I'm the solo blanco at my school and they fully understand that I'm aware of the scheme they're running. I just wasn't in the know about where getting fired would leave me. If it means that I'm then free to find a new school that will sponsor a new visa without having to leave country, it might save a ferry to Japan, and likewise give the school more incentive to legalize their future business practices. Still don't know what that means regarding necessary documents, however. Thanks for the info, Ice Tea.
Side question: Ttomp mentioned a 10 day backlog of pay on some random thread a week or so ago. I'm getting stuck with what seems like a similar situation of-- started on the 1st, got paid on the 8th, and was told I wouldn't receive the 5th week of pay until the end of my contract-- mumbo. Is that relatively common, or just another excuse from a shady academy? |
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daejeonsv
Joined: 20 Apr 2011
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:15 am Post subject: |
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@Harry Morgan, that is really strange. I've been in touch with a recruiter AND 1345. Perhaps it's your nationality, idk?? If you have apostilled documents on file they are fine. I got a job with a provincal education office and they have requested a copy of my original FBI check. It's good for now, but I will probably be asked to submit a new one at some point. In fact, I have TEXT MESSAGES from 1345 telling me to leave, come back, and not worry about my documents. For some reason I had an extra apostilled diploma copy in my posession so that helps me a little.
I plan on filing with the Labor Board immediately after I start this job. I hate that I have to do such a shady thing, but I know working for a shady man for the next 7.5 months just isn't going to cut it.
The posts on this thread have been great. It's not the same BS you usually hear while people talk down to you. I hope everyone's situation works out in their advantage. If we all run at the same time, the first Asahi in Fukouka is on this broad! |
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HarryMorgan
Joined: 02 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| daejeonsv wrote: |
@Harry Morgan, that is really strange. I've been in touch with a recruiter AND 1345. Perhaps it's your nationality, idk?? If you have apostilled documents on file they are fine. I got a job with a provincal education office and they have requested a copy of my original FBI check. It's good for now, but I will probably be asked to submit a new one at some point. In fact, I have TEXT MESSAGES from 1345 telling me to leave, come back, and not worry about my documents. For some reason I had an extra apostilled diploma copy in my posession so that helps me a little.
I plan on filing with the Labor Board immediately after I start this job. I hate that I have to do such a shady thing, but I know working for a shady man for the next 7.5 months just isn't going to cut it.
The posts on this thread have been great. It's not the same BS you usually hear while people talk down to you. I hope everyone's situation works out in their advantage. If we all run at the same time, the first Asahi in Fukouka is on this broad! |
Yeah man, we appear to be in very similar situations. I truly hope you're right, and I'm American for the record. I haven't begun looking for other positions yet, and part of me is weary to do so, as throwing my resume out might catch the attention of my previous recruiter, who hasn't been helpful in the least. I only have copies of my apostilled documents. I have a notarized (but not apostilled, despite what I originally said) copy of my original diploma, but that does little good since no one in Korea can apostille it.
It's not shady to report the hagwon's illegal business dealings, or make them suffer if they refuse to legalize your employment, as mine has (and I have a good gig, minus the health care). If anything, long term, it's likely for the best. Especially for the people they can then only hope to employ in the future. You can buy the first round in Fukouka, the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th are on me dawg. |
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daejeonsv
Joined: 20 Apr 2011
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:04 am Post subject: |
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Ok, here is what I found out. If you go public some provinces will accept COPIES OF YOUR ORIGINALS IF THEY ARE STAMPED/SIGNED BY SOMEONE AT THE IMMIGRATION OFFICE. My recruiter called to check and see if it can be done, and it's totally legit. Going to the immigration office on Friday.
My advice is put your stuff out there, and if your recruiter contacts you, delete the email and move on. You've got nothing to lose except a bad job. Mine is awful from the boss to the fact that he's stealing money every month. Shit classroom and equipment to boot. I've been around long enough to know better.
Asahi will never taste as good as it will in a few weeks.... |
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Ice Tea
Joined: 23 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Hm, interesting. I wasn't the OP and don't teach kindergarten (just a hijacker, sorry OP), but I've read past threads which said that being fired isn't necessarily a bad thing if you're in a bad situation. Maybe I will consider that over a run. Seems like it would definitely save me some money, but I have to look into that more thoroughly. I'm the solo blanco at my school and they fully understand that I'm aware of the scheme they're running. I just wasn't in the know about where getting fired would leave me. If it means that I'm then free to find a new school that will sponsor a new visa without having to leave country, it might save a ferry to Japan, and likewise give the school more incentive to legalize their future business practices. Still don't know what that means regarding necessary documents, however. Thanks for the info, Ice Tea.
Side question: Ttomp mentioned a 10 day backlog of pay on some random thread a week or so ago. I'm getting stuck with what seems like a similar situation of-- started on the 1st, got paid on the 8th, and was told I wouldn't receive the 5th week of pay until the end of my contract-- mumbo. Is that relatively common, or just another excuse from a shady academy? |
The whole reason you have to leave the country in the first place is because normally schools won't voluntarily cancel your visa. Leaving the country is your only method to cancel your own visa. But if you're fired, then of course they will cancel it or you can get them to sign a paper that transfers your visa. Don't be surprised that they wouldn't sign the paper even after canning you. It's easier for them and Koreans are lazy. They don't take this stuff personally. It's pure business. Anyways, even without the letter, if the cancel your visa you have two weeks to leave the country in which time you can find a new job. Without the letter though you may need new docs. But here's the thing. You won't need the criminal check again from back home, because you haven't been back home since you last submitted. So just get a check from the local Korean police station.
Of course, this is all useless knowledge anyways, because no one ever gets fired here. I've seen one person ever get fired and they paid him off so he would leave. Getting fired works in your favor and the schools know it. They need to give you notice and hell, they need time to find a replacement. You'll have plenty of time to find a new job.
The lost week thing. For some strange reason you are paid for the month you just worked, ten days after the month is finished. So even if you pulled a runner on pay day, the school would always have at least ten days worth of your pay, like insurance. If fired or at the end of your contract you'll get everything though. |
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