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[Fox]

Article here.

[jfromtheway]

I'm trying, I'm trying real hard, because I'm about to go have fun and don't spend Saturday nights hating in front of a computer. Stay in Korea forever please, the "Poverty Culture" won't get you here.

[recessiontime]

[Fox]

[recessiontime]

I look it at it all as yet another example of how humans cannot handle the technology/tools that are widespread and available to them. It's only going to get worse as more devastating technologies are created.

Honestly, I'm not even surprised these things happen, though I was astonished at how dumb these people are to brandish large guns in broad day light without any masks. It's just completely devoid of consequence or any long-term thinking.

[Swampfox10mm]

And that city has some of the toughest anti-gun laws around. The problem is, that means only the criminals are allowed to have guns.

I hope they put the kid in foster care and fry the guys who shot at the bus. Waste as little money as possible on them. The mother should be jailed for a long, long time.

[Fox]

[Fox]

[sirius black]

So, what's the solution to all this?

[stilicho25]

Good question sirius. Stop the drugwar, but be really tough on violent crime would be one step. Another would be to completely reform the schools. Model them after German schools, where trades rather than generic college prep is taught. I think a fair amount of the change would be to kill welfare. I am more and more convinced giving poor people money for nothing is the best way to destroy someone.

[Fox]

I agree with stilicho that ending the war on drugs would be a meaningful step we could take as a nation to help mitigate this. I disagree with the welfare angle; taking someone who is all ready struggling and jerking away their social support will just push them even more firmly towards criminality. Far better, I think, to enact economic policy focused on bringing manufacturing jobs back to the United States. Citizens who are invested in society are less likely to behave this way, and providing citizens with gainful employment is one way to achieve some measure of that.

Mostly, though, it will take voices inside the community. As outsiders all we can do is maximize the appeal of reform and remove potential obstructions to it. After that, only they themselves can step up and better their lives.

[Captain Corea]

Agreed. and Manufacturing jobs are a fine way to get much of the 'lower rungs' invested and participating in society.

[sirius black]

10 points to Gryffindor.

There are tons of infrastructure improvements that are necessary and others that will be needed. These would provide millions of working class jobs. There are other jobs indirectly or directly created as a result of huge infrastructure projects. In the urban areas many subway lines, bridges, overpasses need to be fixed or updated. Schools and other government buildings are desparately in need or repair. Many of these jobs are low or no skilled.
Bill Clinton listed some job creating ideas and said that there was a program to paint roofs white in order to save energy costs. These jobs could are low skilled jobs and could be used to inrease employment.
Possibly offer trade unions some sort of tax or stipend for an apprenticeship program in the various unions (electricians, plumbing, dry wall, etc. ).

Education HAS to be a priority. Simply put, kids who are either college bound or have learned a marketable trade have a very low incident of truancy, unwanted pregnancy, drug dealing or drug use.

Welfare has already been cut dramatically during the Clinton presidency. Many of us are remembering the old model and the new model has lots of limitations on how to get it and how long you can be on it.

I do think the war on drugs has a lot to do with the violence we see at times. Oftentimes we read where a city has become the city with the highest murder rate and almost always the underling cause was that, the city had some sort of drug war between factions and bodies piled up. The same Philadelphia was on not too recently and it was because there was a drug war between gangs. The general public doesn't have the will to end the drug war by legalizing but I think in the interim we can stop the level of incarceration for simply having too much pot, etc. By incarcerating someone who had a job and got stopped with his dime bag of pot in his car or on his person we have turned a guy who was making, lets say 30k a year and paying taxes to a person who is now costing the state 60k a year to house and feed in prison and when he is out he can't get that job back or any because he has a record. Why not make simple possession of small amounts a minor offense. Let that person be able to work by putting htem under house arrest for 12 hours a day. Maybe 8pm to 8am so that they can still go to work but deny them their freedom for a certain length of time or make that person do communit work. Clean up parks, pick up trash, whatever and allow the incident to be expunged.

Finally, the perpetrators should be tried to the fullest extent of the law. It was reckless despite no one getting hurt. However, the reason why this incident made news is because it was atypical even for a high crime area like the area it happened. This incident is not typical. Many killigns are drug war related. And also 99% of us will never fall a victim to it. Its almost always black on black crime in these areas. Busses simply don't get shot up in the urban areas. So, lets put the incident into context.

[sirius black]

10 points to Gryffindor.

There are tons of infrastructure improvements that are necessary and others that will be needed. These would provide millions of working class jobs. There are other jobs indirectly or directly created as a result of huge infrastructure projects. In the urban areas many subway lines, bridges, overpasses need to be fixed or updated. Schools and other government buildings are desparately in need or repair. Many of these jobs are low or no skilled.
Bill Clinton listed some job creating ideas and said that there was a program to paint roofs white in order to save energy costs. These jobs could are low skilled jobs and could be used to inrease employment.
Possibly offer trade unions some sort of tax or stipend for an apprenticeship program in the various unions (electricians, plumbing, dry wall, etc. ).

Education HAS to be a priority. Simply put, kids who are either college bound or have learned a marketable trade have a very low incident of truancy, unwanted pregnancy, drug dealing or drug use.

Welfare has already been cut dramatically during the Clinton presidency. Many of us are remembering the old model and the new model has lots of limitations on how to get it and how long you can be on it.

I do think the war on drugs has a lot to do with the violence we see at times. Oftentimes we read where a city has become the city with the highest murder rate and almost always the underling cause was that, the city had some sort of drug war between factions and bodies piled up. The same Philadelphia was on not too recently and it was because there was a drug war between gangs. The general public doesn't have the will to end the drug war by legalizing but I think in the interim we can stop the level of incarceration for simply having too much pot, etc. By incarcerating someone who had a job and got stopped with his dime bag of pot in his car or on his person we have turned a guy who was making, lets say 30k a year and paying taxes to a person who is now costing the state 60k a year to house and feed in prison and when he is out he can't get that job back or any because he has a record. Why not make simple possession of small amounts a minor offense. Let that person be able to work by putting htem under house arrest for 12 hours a day. Maybe 8pm to 8am so that they can still go to work but deny them their freedom for a certain length of time or make that person do communit work. Clean up parks, pick up trash, whatever and allow the incident to be expunged.

Finally, the perpetrators should be tried to the fullest extent of the law. It was reckless despite no one getting hurt. However, the reason why this incident made news is because it was atypical even for a high crime area like the area it happened. This incident is not typical. Many killigns are drug war related. And also 99% of us will never fall a victim to it. Its almost always black on black crime in these areas. Busses simply don't get shot up in the urban areas. So, lets put the incident into context.

[stilicho25]

Agreed on that industry/infrastructure job programs are a good idea. Ending the drug war seems impossible on the natl scene, but I think locally is where you can put pressure on law enforcement to act responsibly.

I also agree with Sirius that crime in these regions is mostly black on black. I think I agree with Fox in that the areas blighted by drugs and the drug war have grown so culturally malignant that they are now metastasizing into healthy areas untouched by the decline of industry and the drug problems. This is where Drudge gets 99% of his shtick from.

One quibble though Sirius. You called the actions of the mother and her clan reckless, while I would say that is way understating the problem. Shooting into a bus with old people and young kids on is murderous IMHO.

Just so the group hug ends and we can get back to fighting though, I would live to point out that guns, even automatic weapons like those used are not a problem. If we had a functioning society these tools would be used for their intended purposes, i.e. the autos hung on the wall in case of getting called up into the natl guard, and the shotgun would be used for hunting. Only in our currently depraved state where modernity has turned a good number of us into badly adjusted psychos willing to use violence over the tiniest of problems are guns (and anything else dangerous) such an issue.

While guns make psychotic morons like these more dangerous than they would otherwise be, I am of the opinion that you do not legislate based on the shortcomings of a disturbed minority (by that I mean psychos! not anything ethnic!)