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[young_clinton]

She had connections to a gang. The gunmen should be in prison for the rest of thier lives. If they can prove she has connections to the gang (somehow) that's what should happen to her too.

[Fox]

[Steelrails]

Now not excusing opening fire on a crowded bus but...

1)The parent had every right to spank her child. That's her right, her business. A spanking is not child abuse, even though your opinion may be different.

2)Threatening to call CPS on a parent tends not to produce rational responses. Your basically saying "Your child should be taken away from you forever"

Typically such threats have led to lethal force use in the past. There IS a reason for this.

I mean basically you're saying someone should kidnap her kid from her. Kidnapping is a crime that you are justified in killing the assailant.

If someone EVER, EVER threatened to take my children away from them I would not take that lightly and while violence would not be my first choice, I wouldn't hesitate to use it if that's what was required.

Now should the gunmen be charged with attempted murder? Absolutely. Probably the mother to, though she would have a compelling case for temporary insanity. Most people understand that mother's don't react well to threats of child removal.

As for "culture", remember the rich kill just as many as the poor. To quote Chris Rock-

White Man makes guns. No problem.
Black Rapper says guns. Congressional hearing.

[Fox]

Threatening to call child protection services is completely within anyone's legal rights. The mother had no justification for what she did. I don't disagree with you that a single smack on the butt doesn't warrant a child being removed from the home. The thing is, I don't think an American child protection services worker would generally disagree with you either. Barring other, frequent parental abuses (which we have no reason to presuppose exist), this woman was at no risk of losing her child in this scenario, and she surely knew it. Her response was to a feeling of being "disrespected," not a fear of losing her child, something demonstrated by the fact that she chose a course of action far, far more likely to result in her being separated from her child than any random call to child services from a stranger on a bus.

Remember the video which was posted here some time back of the black guy assaulting someone in a pizza place because the fellow said something to his girlfriend? The very same principle applies here. The woman feels disrespected, and responds in the way her culture has taught her to respond: by calling in her thug(s). The idea that this could be played off as temporary insanity in any serious court of law is laughable.

[recessiontime]

Fox, do you believe the government should dictate how we live from cradle to the grave?

Oh and yes I don't anyone agrees with the tribal mind-set you think of. Now that you mention it, I see the pattern of black woman calling thugs for help. But really, is this only seen in urban black culture? It seems almost universal to a lesser degree even in our own culture.

[stilicho25]

Agreed gun control isn't all or nothing, but I like universal conscription (one of my few leftist views?) so I would still like to see every adult in possesion of one.

[Fox]

[recessiontime]

Extreme huh. I had an argument with my sister once and she ended up crying to her boyfriend about it. He drove over to my place threatening to engage in fisticuffs. The only difference here is that he didn't have a knife or a gun. These are university educated middle class people I'm talking about, white people.

So...I cannot really say that the rest of us are that much different or above this primitive backward culture you speak of. While I obviously don't condone this behavior, I don't see how this is all going away by denouncing it. It seems like this type of behavior is rooted in our genes and I see it being passed on as long as humanity exists. I hope I'm wrong.

[Captain Corea]

[recessiontime]

I think rails is just saying that it was probably unwise to get involved. He sounds like a libertarian that believe that parents should be able to raise their kids whatever way they want. Gubbermint shouldnt get involved, it's none of their business.

[Fox]

[HijackedTw1light]

[sirius black]

Culturally, spanking occurs more in the poorer black areas than it does in general society at large wher 'time out' is more common. Black comics routinely joke about their mothers spanking them and they don't say spanking. Its a lot more. Her discipline may not have been what is socially acceptable even in a culture that approves of it.

Still I understand Steelrails point. Not condoning the violence but its pretty personal and bold to tell someone they are calling 911. How would you respond as a parent? Definitely an argument at the minimum. Obviously this mother went over the top.

The conncections we made to inner city at large is natural but again, this is atypical even for a high crime area as this one. If the same happened on an all white bus headed to a trailer park we probably wouldn't have made a general reference to poor whites either.

We had a chance to do something about the inner city years ago. Patrick Moynihan, wrote a report on the black family then and there was another report by a presidential appointed committee after the inner city riots of the '60s as well. Both said some similar things. One thing in particular that the black family needed a strong, working father. Directing welfare to the mother was going to hurt the black family and remove the men from the family. The government did not adhere to it and the results can be seen today. For a long time for a woman to get welfare (and perhaps still the case), no adult male over 18 could be in the house. The money was given to the mothers and the government in essence became the father and provider. Why does she need a man for? The key to making the inner cities livable again is to provide ja good education and obs, ESPECIALLY for the young black males. Young black males with jobs are less likely to join gangs, sell drugs, get girls pregnant. Look at the black males most of us know. College educated, teachers we see here or former classmates in HS and college. The overwhelming majority if not all, contributing members of society.

Poor education and lack of jobs is the source of most crime areas. All races are represented in jail and almost always have those lackings in common--- under educated and under employed. Prisoners in jail are from the poor and working poor almost exclusively be they white, black, latino or asian. A good percentage with no fathers in the home.

[Steelrails]

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