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sirius black
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Obama was an outsider during the primaries and once he became the favorite the money from Wall Street and other piled in. He had vastly outspent McCain. The money that usually supports Republican candidates didn't come in because they saw a losing battle and didn't want to 'waste' their money. So, from what I saw Obama went from outsider to insider/establishment during the national campaign.
I don't see Romney or most of the others being any different if they win the primary and become the Republican choice and a few are already in the pocket. Ron Paul is the only one I think that would vote what he thinks. You may not agree with it but he is the least likely to be corrupted. He's a zealot.
Basically, it doesn't matter who gets elected, the office is bought and paid for.
My question is what's the solution? |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
| Obama was an outsider during the primaries and once he became the favorite the money from Wall Street and other piled in. He had vastly outspent McCain. The money that usually supports Republican candidates didn't come in because they saw a losing battle and didn't want to 'waste' their money. So, from what I saw Obama went from outsider to insider/establishment during the national campaign. |
This is true, but Obama's connections go back even to his time at Columbia University, where he was a protege of Zbigniew Brzezinksi (who was one of his mentors). The notion that he rocketed to the top of the political game just through hard work and charisma alone is laughable. Only a child would believe in such a fairy tale.
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I don't see Romney or most of the others being any different if they win the primary and become the Republican choice and a few are already in the pocket. Ron Paul is the only one I think that would vote what he thinks. You may not agree with it but he is the least likely to be corrupted. He's a zealot.
Basically, it doesn't matter who gets elected, the office is bought and paid for.
My question is what's the solution? |
Well, the political solution would be to vote in people who would actually work in the interest of the public and to uphold the constitution, instead of smooth talking Wall Street con artists like Clinton or Obama (I won't even mention Bush, since he was clearly a fascist from day one - his grand daddy was even a literally a Nazi banker). The problem is the general public keeps getting duped into voting for establishment figures (who just lie about everything like Obama did), instead of honest people with good track records like Ron Paul.
Barring a political solution at the federal level, the next recourse is state's refusing to cow to federal tyranny (like with the TSA thugs groping people). Barring that, the country will probably descend into hell as the bankruptcy really takes hold and we descend into a savage depression and the government puts troops on the streets of America to "maintain order". Nowhere near as far-fetched as it may seem. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| but when they drive the world to question our political will to pay our debts...well, that's not their fault, that's all Obama's doing. I smell rotten hypocrisy here of the foulest kind. |
Um, it's not "our debt" any more than the Iceland debt belongs to the Icelandic people or Greek debt belongs to the Greek people. It doesn't. No, the cause of all these problems is banker debt. The black hole of derivatives that they fraudulently created. It has only become "our" debt because Obama and other corrupt leaders have signed onto it, putting the public on the hook. Now they want to put all these austerity measures into place, just so Obama's slimball banker friends at Goldman-Sachs can keep giving themselves record bonuses.
Seriously, what part of this don't you understand? |
I find myself in complete agreement. (Although I would never say income tax is 'theft'...) |
Even if the government collects the income tax (by force, using armed IRS thugs) to pay off interest/debt to the banks?
Do you realize there wasn't even an income tax in the US until a constitutional amendment took place in 1913, just a few months before the creation of the Federal Reserve central bank? Certainly no coincidence there. Because that is where your income tax money goes: to pay off interest on the national debt. It certainly doesn't go toward building roads, schools, public works etc. To get money for that the government issues bonds and "borrows" from the Fed, which causes inflation (the hidden tax you pay for through loss of purchasing power). This is why the federal debt never goes down, it only increases. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:07 am Post subject: |
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^ Whatever. Income tax it fairer than regressive forms of taxation like sales tax because it takes money in proportion to income. Refusing to pay income or any other kind of tax due to the circumstances of the bailout is a different question.
Anyway, some people are talking now about putting Hilary up as the next Democratic candidate. Does anyone think she'd do any better than Obama? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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