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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008 Location: Marakesh
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:48 am Post subject: Re: Reply to message: |
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| thegadfly wrote: |
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| Obviously, you can't read. If you can read, then try the U.S. Embassy website and lookup: "passport" and the laws regarding it. I can see you are a bored kid with no social life who likes to come on other peoples' posts and start stupid arguments, since you can't "create" any of your own posts. Sorry your social life is so pathetic (hint: maybe it's due to "personality" issues). I hope you can get a life. |
ROFLMAO! Yeah, clearly Ttom doesn't know what he's talking about, Leopard7! He's only, like, the guru of accurate information, and one of the very few posters that pretty much EVERYONE with more than three brain cells takes seriously...guess that tells us where you fall....
...though honestly, I am surprised you rankled him. I guess even the most patient folks have a breaking point.... |
Which one is ttom and which is leopard in your avatar gadfly?  |
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hogwonguy1979

Joined: 22 Dec 2003 Location: the racoon den
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:58 am Post subject: Re: Reply to message: |
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| leopard7 wrote: |
| Obviously, you can't read. If you can read, then try the U.S. Embassy website and lookup: "passport" and the laws regarding it. I can see you are a bored kid with no social life who likes to come on other peoples' posts and start stupid arguments, since you can't "create" any of your own posts. Sorry your social life is so pathetic (hint: maybe it's due to "personality" issues). I hope you can get a life. |
you are an idiot:
1) you had to give your passport to the korean consulate when you got your visa, no was it for a few hours or a few days i havent a clue. Heck if you are applying for visas in any number of countries you have to leave your passport with a country's consulate for a few days
2) what you mentioned in your first post is in regards to just entering the country they do it at all airports/entry points, thats totally different from getting your visa
3) when you apply for your ARC once you've gotten settled in etc, you HAVE to turn in your passport to immig for a few days, they give you a receipt and get it back to you in under a week.
According to US/int law government agencies have the right to hold your passport for a number of reasons (i.e. immig, criminal) now private agencies (banks etc) have no right to mark in your passport, they can see it for id purposes. like somebody said your passport or local govt issued id card must be carried at all times.
now its time for you to grow up and stop acting like an idiot |
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leopard7
Joined: 13 Nov 2009
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:53 am Post subject: Response: |
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Yes, gadfly, I really take people seriously who post pictures of a child being burped on by a cow? What kind of medication are you on? I bet you read lots of comic books, and watch cartoons all day.
Folks, if you are ignorant enough to surrender your passport to anyone for months, you might be in for a world of hurt, like that poor woman in the Korea Herald article. Don't believe these fearmongerers who don't have the guts to say, "no!" to Koreans who push them around. This is why bad things happen to people over here--because they are fed misinformation by losers who don't know sh--! These are the same idiots that probably pay 1 million won "security deposits" to sleazy hagwons, and even give up their bankcards. Sounds like we have some gay lovers defending each other on this website--I was always taught that a man fights his own battles--only cowards need their"friends" to help them. What's the matter kids, you can't stand up for yourselves alone!? Do you miss your mommy a lot? Grow up and get a life, kiddies (and don't forget to eat your Wheaties, so you can grow up to be big and strong someday! |
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marsavalanche

Joined: 27 Aug 2010 Location: where pretty lies perish
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:05 am Post subject: Re: Response: |
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| leopard7 wrote: |
| I can see you are a bored kid with no social life who likes to come on other peoples' posts and start stupid arguments, since you can't "create" any of your own posts. Sorry your social life is so pathetic (hint: maybe it's due to "personality" issues). I hope you can get a life. |
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What kind of medication are you on? I bet you read lots of comic books, and watch cartoons all day.
These are the same idiots that probably pay 1 million won "security deposits" to sleazy hagwons, and even give up their bankcards. Sounds like we have some gay lovers defending each other on this website--I was always taught that a man fights his own battles--only cowards need their"friends" to help them. What's the matter kids, you can't stand up for yourselves alone!? Do you miss your mommy a lot? Grow up and get a life, kiddies (and don't forget to eat your Wheaties, so you can grow up to be big and strong someday! |
stop trolling |
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leopard7
Joined: 13 Nov 2009
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:44 am Post subject: Reply to message: |
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Kids, do your mommies know you are on these "adult work" websites? You have to be at least 18 to be on one, kids.
Can any of you kid-genuises show me a legal statute that says an NET has to let immigration keep his passport for months on end? I didn't think so. Show me the statute that says they can keep our passports for months, at random, for no reason, and I'll buy you all a nice bag of candy and a comic book. Oh, kids, you better log out, spiderman is on! |
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thegadfly

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:08 am Post subject: Re: Reply to message: |
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Kids, do your mommies know you are on these "adult work" websites? You have to be at least 18 to be on one, kids.
Can any of you kid-genuises show me a legal statute that says an NET has to let immigration keep his passport for months on end? I didn't think so. Show me the statute that says they can keep our passports for months, at random, for no reason, and I'll buy you all a nice bag of candy and a comic book. Oh, kids, you better log out, spiderman is on! |
Unfortunately, you are the proponent of the opposite, equally ludicrous case -- that is, that your passport has never, ever, even-for-a-moment left your possession, when several people have pointed out that it, at least, was kept overnight at an embassy or consulate to receive the visa stamp. Additionally, if you did indeed receive an ARC, it would have passed out of your hands and into immigration's hands for at least a day or two (in my part of town, it only takes about three days, but I have heard of it taking much longer, and have heard that the new standard is to take much longer).
YOU initially took the absolute, exclusive position that one's passport must NEVER EVER leave one's possession, and the simple fact is that yeah, it has to be kept for a couple of days in a couple of different places. Months on end? Not so much. Overnight, possibly up to 5 business days? Yeah, pretty commonly.
As far as the using of kid as an insult thing goes...wow, really? That's the best you've got? Do you get the irony of your name-calling? Or are you really that meta? I'd love to think you are that subtle and skilled a troll -- as I said earlier, rankling Ttom actually kind of impresses me in a sad way -- you have to be a real piece of work to get him to be snippy.
Cow? Wow...your powers of observation seem to be in keeping with your apparent web persona.
To Nathan: I'm not sure if Ttom would want to be compared to the cute little girl, but in my mind, he is definitely not the braying jackass in the picture. |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005 Location: Boo-sahn
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:59 am Post subject: Re: Reply to message: |
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| I don't know how I can make this any clearer: I came to Korea through a recruiter, like everyone else. I went to the Korean Consulate in Chicago, gave them my documents, transferred them to a hagwon owner, came to Korea, then went to immigration, showed all my documents including my passport, CRC, degree, did a drug test at the hospital, etc. But Immigration never "held" my passport, they copied it, processed the info, and then about 2.5 months later I received my E-2 visa. |
I, as others have already stated, find it hard to believe that you got an ARC without handing over your passport for at least a few days. The standard in Busan is 10 days for an ARC for an E2 visa. That's for an ARC, not a visa. Longer waiting periods can be expected for F2/F5 visas(and the ARC that they will change your current card to) or obtaining Korean citizenship...you are allowed to get it if you need it for any important reason though. I DO have to admit that I've never tried to refuse to give the immi officials my passport when asked for it though...can't imagine that it would help in expediting the processing time. FIGHT THE POWER!  |
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leopard7
Joined: 13 Nov 2009
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:37 pm Post subject: To the Gadfly: |
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It reminds me of high school how you keep telling me how you're surprised I got "so-and-so mad." Is he your best friend or something? I really don't care about the high-school clique stuff, it's really juvenile and boring.
For the record, I made this post to warn foreigners here not to give up (surrender) their passport for days or months, because you don't have to. All they need is your number to check you out. I never heard of anyone "giving up" thier passports, except to hagwons. You still haven't showed me the legal statute that says "foreigners must surrender there passports for an undisclosed amount of time" because there is no such law. Maybe immigration thought you look shifty or questionable--maybe that's why they witheld yours. Go tell your daddy or mommy, or maybe comb your hair and take a shower. Maybe your appearance offended immigration. Remember personal hygiene, it's important. I'm glad you know the word "irony" but I doubt you understand it's meaning. Again, show me the law statute that says we "must" give up our passports. By the way, gadfly, it was your "buddy" who came on my post telling me what is and isn't true--I haven't posted on this website for 10 months. That means "he" started it--I never went after any of you. And since you're all probably in your 20s, I'd say that I, who am in my 40s and served in the military overseas, probably know more than you. Oh, I forgot, you 20-something's are all geniuses nowadays (right!) Are you going out on a date with your good "friend" this weekend? Seriously, guy it's really gay for a man to be defeding another man. Men are supposed to fight their own battles. This isn't high school band practice. |
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thegadfly

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: To the Gadfly: |
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It reminds me of high school how you keep telling me how you're surprised I got "so-and-so mad." Is he your best friend or something? I really don't care about the high-school clique stuff, it's really juvenile and boring.
For the record, I made this post to warn foreigners here not to give up (surrender) their passport for days or months, because you don't have to. All they need is your number to check you out. I never heard of anyone "giving up" thier passports, except to hagwons. You still haven't showed me the legal statute that says "foreigners must surrender there passports for an undisclosed amount of time" because there is no such law. Maybe immigration thought you look shifty or questionable--maybe that's why they witheld yours. Go tell your daddy or mommy, or maybe comb your hair and take a shower. Maybe your appearance offended immigration. Remember personal hygiene, it's important. I'm glad you know the word "irony" but I doubt you understand it's meaning. Again, show me the law statute that says we "must" give up our passports. By the way, gadfly, it was your "buddy" who came on my post telling me what is and isn't true--I haven't posted on this website for 10 months. That means "he" started it--I never went after any of you. And since you're all probably in your 20s, I'd say that I, who am in my 40s and served in the military overseas, probably know more than you. Oh, I forgot, you 20-something's are all geniuses nowadays (right!) Are you going out on a date with your good "friend" this weekend? Seriously, guy it's really gay for a man to be defeding another man. Men are supposed to fight their own battles. This isn't high school band practice. |
Wow, you really ARE on about this age thing, aren't you? I haven't been twenty for a couple of decades. I have no idea what you have experienced or how it compares to my own experiences, but I try to remember that Plato quote: "be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle."
I'm not fighting anyone's battles but my own -- however, when someone acts in a way that I find unkind, or obnoxious, or annoying, or racist, or mean, or crude, or cruel, or stupid, then I speak up.
Ttom posts a ton of helpful advice for a lot of folks -- check his posting history. I call people out for being any of the above things, and occasionally I offer help or insight -- check my posting history. You go off on rants and call people names -- I checked your posting history, just to be sure it wasn't a one-off, bad-day kinda post....
You may have been trying to offer helpful advice -- and that is kind of you to take the time to do so. Some of what you said was true and accurate, and it is a net positive in the world to have that information out there. Some of it was inaccurate and misleading, though, and when the problem was pointed out, you immediately went to the hyperbolic position you currently occupy.
Your passport WILL need to leave your possession at several times, for several days at a time. This is normal, proper, and legal -- no one is "pulling a fast one." If your school says that they need to "keep" your passport, ARC, or original degree, then yes, something shady is going on.
As usual, the truth is somewhere between the hyperbolic extremes.
Now, regarding the name-calling that you resort to so quickly -- I would have thought that, as an adult with all of that world experience, you would have learned that it is ALWAYS counter-productive, unless your true goal is to start a fight...therefore, since you are an intelligent adult with a great deal of world experience (per your own claims, evidence to the contrary), you MUST be trying to start a fight...on an Internet forum....  |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Reply to message: |
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| denverdeath wrote: |
| leopard7 wrote: |
| I don't know how I can make this any clearer: I came to Korea through a recruiter, like everyone else. I went to the Korean Consulate in Chicago, gave them my documents, transferred them to a hagwon owner, came to Korea, then went to immigration, showed all my documents including my passport, CRC, degree, did a drug test at the hospital, etc. But Immigration never "held" my passport, they copied it, processed the info, and then about 2.5 months later I received my E-2 visa. |
I, as others have already stated, find it hard to believe that you got an ARC without handing over your passport for at least a few days. The standard in Busan is 10 days for an ARC for an E2 visa. That's for an ARC, not a visa. Longer waiting periods can be expected for F2/F5 visas(and the ARC that they will change your current card to) or obtaining Korean citizenship...you are allowed to get it if you need it for any important reason though. I DO have to admit that I've never tried to refuse to give the immi officials my passport when asked for it though...can't imagine that it would help in expediting the processing time. FIGHT THE POWER!  |
I find it amazing that he gave copies of his documents including the medical with drug tests to immigration here in Korea (before he had his E2) and then received his E2 from immigration about 2.5 months later.
Something doesn't sound quite right to me. ?
Time to quit feeding this troll and put him back under the bridge where he belongs.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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While I agree with Ttom that leopard7 is likely a troll he is somewhat accurate on one point.
That would be the handing over of your passport to obtain an ARC. While for all my other ARCS I had to do this, this was not the case for my most recent ARC which I obtained at Changwon Immigration office. They copied my passport info page and then handed it back to me.
This was about 2 months ago. So I do not know if this is a recent rule, change, or the guy was new and didn't know what he was doing, or if it is specific to that office. What I do know is that I walked out of that office with my passport in my pocket the same day I applied for an ARC. (which took about 45 days to actually obtain). Then again most of us are well accquainted with the randomness of Immigration offices enforcing rules or learning new ones.
But yeah if one is claiming that he didn't have to hand over his passport at least overnight to get the E-2 visa in his passport I'd have to call BS on that as well. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:03 am Post subject: |
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Yes, that is the new procedure since it now takes more than a month to get an ARC instead of the old process that used to take less than a week.
My points were not in dispute of an ARC application (and he never mentioned an ARC) but:
i) that you do need to give your passport to the appropriate authorities when requested such as: for visa applications at embassies or consulates (it usually takes 4-7 days to get a visa for China as an example), OLD ARC application process (kept by immigration for a week), demanded by police or prosecutors during an investigation, etc.
ii) His advice was VERY short on particulars and (perhaps in the interests of brevity on his part ) was wildly inaccurate advice.
When someone wants to make bold blanket statements they should at least ensure that the comments are accurate before they hit the enter key. (perhaps he got his ARC from Kimmi after 2.5 months and NOT his E2?) It does make a difference.
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leopard7
Joined: 13 Nov 2009
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:59 pm Post subject: Reply to message: |
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For the reading impaired:
I said you shouldn't let anyone KEEP your passport longer than it takes them to copy it. Leaving it overnight is ridiculous--they taught me in the army never to surrender my passport. "Surrender" means not more than 10 or 20 minutes. I bet the same ones complaining are the same ones who pay their own key money and get ripped off by taxi drivers and grocers.
But I admit, it's cute how you all stick together like girlfriends to attack one person who disagrees with you. Guess what, girls? I'm allowe to disagree with you. This isn't North Korea. I'm older and have traveled more than most of you, and many youngsters over here get taken advantage of every day. If you're weak, Koreans will take advantage of you. So go ahead and be weak; give 'em your bankcard too (with the pin number) if you're that dumb. Sorry girls, I have a life to live and a wife to take care of--you guys can get back to 90210 episodes or whatever lame stuff you do. It's scary to think that mental Liliputians like you actually TEACH children! No wonder Korea complains so much in the news about bad teachers. |
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thegadfly

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:10 am Post subject: Re: Reply to message: |
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| leopard7 wrote: |
For the reading impaired:
I said you shouldn't let anyone KEEP your passport longer than it takes them to copy it. Leaving it overnight is ridiculous--they taught me in the army never to surrender my passport. "Surrender" means not more than 10 or 20 minutes. I bet the same ones complaining are the same ones who pay their own key money and get ripped off by taxi drivers and grocers.
But I admit, it's cute how you all stick together like girlfriends to attack one person who disagrees with you. Guess what, girls? I'm allowe to disagree with you. This isn't North Korea. I'm older and have traveled more than most of you, and many youngsters over here get taken advantage of every day. If you're weak, Koreans will take advantage of you. So go ahead and be weak; give 'em your bankcard too (with the pin number) if you're that dumb. Sorry girls, I have a life to live and a wife to take care of--you guys can get back to 90210 episodes or whatever lame stuff you do. It's scary to think that mental Liliputians like you actually TEACH children! No wonder Korea complains so much in the news about bad teachers. |
The folks disagreeing with you are your own age or older, and most likely have very similar amounts of life experience -- perhaps not all in the same areas, but around and about the same type of things have happened to all of us.
Most of the folks disagreeing with you have not resorted to name-calling or poorly-thought-out insults (calling folks children and girls? Really? You gonna call someone out to meet you at the bike racks after school today?).
By all means, though -- continue to flail about and work yourself into a tizzy -- maybe you will eventually go far enough to get the thread pulled, and no one will know your shame.... |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008 Location: Korea
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: Response: |
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| Were you there when I came through immigration? Funny, I don't remember you. I know what happened to me, and they never kept my passport, they only scanned it. I have taught in 3 foreign countries, and no one ever kept my passport. I guess you let them do anything to you, you probably let them keep your degree too, but your ignorance is not my problem. If you are weak enough to let anyone keep our passport, you will get taken advantage of. |
how did you get your sticker in yr passport without giving it to them? |
Oh, they just sent it to him 2.5 months later and let him glue it in himself  |
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