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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:36 pm Post subject: Election 2012 is Underway |
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The official campaign season gets going with the Ames Straw Poll. The caucus will be held in just about 6 months and the general election 9 months after that. ( )
Ames Straw Poll Results Are In:
01. 4,823 Michele Bachmann
02. 4,671 Ron Paul
03. 2,293 Tim Pawlenty
04. 1,657 Rick Santorum
05. 1,456 Herman Cain
06. 0,718 Rick Perry**
07. 0,567 Mitt Romney
08. 0,358 Newt Gingrich
09. 0,069 Jon Huntsman
10. 0,035 Thad McCotter
11. 0,003 Iowa State Fair Butter Cow
(Didn't see any numbers for Gary Johnson)
The straw poll isn't helpful in predicting winners, but it is useful in beginning to winnow out losers.
As expected Michele Bachmann won, but looks weak doing it--how much future can you have if you can only manage to beat RP by 152? She's not toast yet, but the toaster has been plugged in. (See below)
Pawlenty, at less than half her vote count, needs to 'reassess' and decide to spend more time with his family...or something. Double that for Rick Santorum. T-Paw's only hope now is a VeeP offer and that is slim unless the top of the ticket needs someone colorless to run with.
Mitt Romney ('Corporations are too people!') needs to figure out how to deal with Perry who outscored him without even trying. His support seems to be based on the idea that he isn't as crazy as the rest of the field. That's pretty thin support.
Perry has shown he is tactically aggressive and knows how to stomp on other people's messages. Does he have other campaign skills? We'll soon see.
(I'm curious where his 718 votes came from. Each one cost someone $30.)
[Edit: ** Some Iowa Republican bigwig admitted today (8/19/'11) that some of Perry's votes came from people who wrote in 'pArry', in an obvious bow to S. Colbert's TV ads. He declined to say just how many.]
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jrwhite82

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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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I heard that some of the PACs/Campaigns paid for people's $30 fees.
I know this poll is nonbinding, but if people can be given money for it, what's the point of doing it. What's the point of even discussing it?
It's a sham (paid voting) and meaningless (non-binding). |
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Fox

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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Rick Perry's "Texas Miracle" Con Job.
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Texas governor and reported GOP presidential candidate Rick Perry is the nation's greatest political con artist. His so called "Texas Miracle" has been totally debunked as a fraud. Yet Perry, with generous help from conservative business leaders, tea party acolytes, and suddenly revved up evangelicals will keep the con very much alive. The so-called miracle that Perry and his backers peddle is of course that Texas is the runaway national model for how to create lots of private sector jobs, with minimal government red tape, and with a pittance of taxes. It's the state where the good times are supposedly rolling for everyone, while the bad times are piling up for everyone in every other state.
Debunking Perry's con is easy. The Bureau of Labor and Statistics found that Texas' jobless rate has steadily crept up in recent months, not plunged to zero as Perry would have the nation believe. Unemployment was over 8 percent in June. New York, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Wisconsin, and a slew of other states beat Texas on the employment numbers. And New York and several other states that outshined Texas did it without gutting environmental and labor regulations, slashing taxes, and with bare boned spending on education, housing, unemployment benefits and health services, as in Texas.
Even the 8 percent plus figure on Texas unemployment, though below the national jobless figure, is horribly misleading. In the state's big cities, such as Houston, the jobless rate matches the national figure, and in rural, impoverished areas, the jobless rate soars to double digit figures. This means only one thing. More and more people in the state have sunk into or never risen out of poverty. The quality of life indices on Texas amply confirm that. And an increase in the number of poor people invariably translate out to more children in poverty, greater income disparities, a dearth in quality prenatal care, and higher teen birth rates. Texas ranks in the bottom ten in every one of these areas and is a rock bottom number 50 among the nation's 50 states in the number who graduate from high school by age 25.
Then there are the types of jobs that have been created. Perry has little to say about them. And there's a good reason. Nearly forty percent of them are bottom rung, minimum wage retail and service industry jobs. This high figure makes Texas, along with Mississippi, one of the two hands down state leaders in the number of minimum wage workers. There's a good reason for that too. Texas, like most Southern and Southwest states, is a rock solid right to work state. Unions are treated as virtual pariahs by Perry and GOP state officials. The result is minimal to nonexistent labor protections, and pension benefits. The same holds for health care. Texas is again the national leader in having the highest number of residents without health insurance. Only slightly more than half of the state's construction workers that are exposed to the industry's high hazards and incur the highest rate of injuries and fatalities, is covered by workers compensation.
There's virtually no chance any of this will change soon, and the reasons again aren't hard to find. The state makes bare minimum investment in graduate and higher education for professional and job skills training. The state is in the bottom tier in the percentage of jobs that require a college education or degree. Yet, the state official's penny pinching on education, health care, and professional job investment hasn't made for a bulging state treasury. The legislature had to scramble to close a $4 billion deficit in the current year's budget. Texas officials did the one thing that officials everywhere are adept at doing when faced with budget deficits. They make even more slash and burn cuts in the favorite targets, education and health care, always at the expense of the poorest and neediest, and continue their all out assault on state workers. Here is one glaring example. State officials axed funding for pre-kindergarten programs that served about 100,000 low income children.
The biggest reason, though, there being little likelihood of change is who runs the state. Democrats hold majorities in a few Texas big cities, but they are an endangered species in Texas state government. The executive is run by Perry, and the state legislature is under lockdown GOP control. In the 2010 elections the GOP took a supermajority in the state's house and even managed to capture two Hispanic-Majority seats in south Texas.
Labor hostility, laissez faire tax and business friendliness, and the scoff at regulations are virtually the sacrosanct Holy Grail in the state legislature and Perry's state house. Perry genuflects before the Grail deeper than nearly all the current crop of GOP presidential candidates. Now that he's in the presidential race, he'll take his Texas miracle con job to the nation. The terrifying prospect is more than a few just might buy it. |
The last time America elected a Conservative Texan Governor President he left the country far worse than he found it, inflicting damage we are still suffering from today. Being gullible enough to make the same stupid mistake again would be unforgivable. America needs to stop looking up to Texas as some sort of model to follow, and start recognizing that -- talking points and chicanery aside -- it's a highly dysfunctional area of the nation. Entrusting the people who help produce and maintain that dysfunction with Federal-level power is insanity. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Rick Perry, the candidate Glenn Beck wanted to French kiss
Quite frankly, I don't see any reason to even bother with a presidential election next year. We already know what Obama wants and the GOP has offered nothing new to replace the failed policies that brought wrack and ruin to the country in '00-'08. More extreme versions of failed policies are not usually thought of as 'new', so let's have congressional elections, but skip the presidential. Obama's going to win anyway. My suggestion: pass the hat and ask anyone who was going to donate to anyone's presidential campaign to pony up the same amount to keep the country going.
Since that idea is too practical and common sensical to be adopted, I'm pretty confident Perry will be the GOP nominee. Why? Because he is every bit as wacky as Bachmann but probably doesn't make as many factual mistakes as she does. The other contender is Romney, but no one is actually, actively pro-Romney; his supporters are just desperate to find someone not wacky at a time when the majority of the party is full-bore wacky. It's not surprising they are as wacky as they are. True believers get that way when their world view comes crashing down and the solution is to go out with a blaze of 'glory' rather than admit you were wrong. Remember Berlin, 1945.
Fox posted a good summary of the gov's record in Texas. Here is more:
1. Perry allowed the execution of a likely innocent man, then impeded an investigation into the matter (Cameron Todd Willingham). In a related matter, here is what Glenn Beck had to say about Perry:
The things that I have witnessed firsthand on Rick Perry I like. For instance, we were standing backstage and at one point we were talking about the guy, you know, the guy who�s getting the death penalty. What was the guy�s name that killed all those people in Houston, the illegal immigrant, Pat?
PAT: There�s several. Are you talking about Angel what�s his face?
GLENN: Yeah, got the death penalty, Bush tried to push it off. And Rick Perry said to me, "I�ll throw the switch myself. He is going to die." And I loved him for that. http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/36197/
2. Perry wants to repeal the 16th and 17th Amendments (income tax and direct election of senators).
3. Proposed letting states drop out of Social Security and Medicaid. He also thinks they should be state programs, not federal. (He seems to think they are unconstitutional.)
4. Texas is the country's biggest polluter while he's pretty much a denier of any kind of science.
5. Perry pushed through as 'emergency legislation' a bill requiring all women seeking an abortion to have sonograms.
6. Gutted childcare services even though there is an $8.2 billion rainy day fund.
7. He supports anti-sodomy laws. More recently he has come out for leaving human rights to the states.
8. After saying 'we can take care of ourselves' he accepted stimulus funds.
9. Texas has the highest rate of uninsured people in the country with no idea how to fix it.
10. Secession and hanging out with neo-Confederates.
11. He's seems to have waged war on public education. No doubt home schooling and charter schools are just dandy, though.
Texas used to have some pretty darn good liberals, Ann Richards and Molly Ivins, Jim Hightower...LBJ. Texas, what has happened to you?
Oh, about that Glenn Beck kiss thing...
�Rick, I think you and I could French kiss right now.�
(It's not the kiss, it's having GB's support that is appalling.)
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/04/24/93317/beck-perry/ |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:07 am Post subject: |
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Pawlenty ends White House Bid
ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) � Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty dropped out of the race for the GOP presidential nomination on Sunday, hours after finishing a disappointing third in the Iowa straw poll.
"I wish it would have been different. But obviously the pathway forward for me doesn't really exist so we are going to end the campaign," Pawlenty said on ABC's "This Week" from Iowa shortly after disclosing his plans in a private conference call with supporters.
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Smart move. He wasn't going anywhere and now he doesn't have to apologize to the eventual winner before being offered the VeeP spot.
http://news.yahoo.com/ex-minn-gov-tim-pawlenty-ends-white-house-124623539.html |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:28 am Post subject: |
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This is why I think Perry will finish off Bachmann with relative ease before he turns on Romney and wipes up the floor with him:
In Waterloo, Perry offers contrast to Bachmann
WATERLOO, Iowa � Rick Perry came to Michele Bachmann�s home town Sunday evening and schooled the newly minted Iowa front-runner in her native state�s demanding retail political culture.
The day after Perry announced his candidacy and Bachmann won the Ames straw poll, the two candidates spoke to the Black Hawk County Republican Party�s Lincoln Day dinner, the sort of endless regional event that is a staple of the long Iowa campaign...
But the contrast that may lift Perry, and undermine Bachmann, in their high-stakes battle for Iowa had less to do with what they said than how they said it � and what they did before and after speaking.
Perry arrived early, as did former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum. The Texas governor let a media throng grow and dissolve before working his way across the room to sit at table after table, shake hand after hand, pose for photographs and listen politely to a windy Abraham Lincoln impersonator, paying respect to a state that expects candidates, no matter their fame, to be accessible.
But Bachmann campaigned like a celebrity. And the event highlighted the brittle, presidential-style cocoon that has become her campaign�s signature: a routine of late entries, unexplained absences, quick exits, sharp-elbowed handlers with matching lapel pins, and pre-selected questioners.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61366.html
There are several pithy quotes in the article that highlight the fact Perry is a real politician. Neither Bachmann nor Romney are. |
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lithium

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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:50 am Post subject: |
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Rick Perry is the real deal. We need someone to be the exact opposite of Obama, and he is the obvious choice.
http://www.rickperry.org/join-today/ |
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visitorq
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Are you aware that Rick Perry used to be a Democrat? Al Gore's campaign manager in '88 to be specific. He has also attended Bilderberg meetings, and most recently thwarted Texas' efforts to get the TSA out of everybody's business. As far as I can see, he's a total globlist, and a fake. He even forced girls in Texas to take Gardicil shots, despite knowing that people had died during trials; and continued to force the issue after the fact.
If you want to vote for somebody the truly opposite of Obama (and Bush), and all the crimes they have committed, then go for Ron Paul, all the way. Ron Paul is also a forerunner and has topped many of the mainline polls, despite the media's effort to hijack his efforts and claim that "he can't win". |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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Rick Perry used to be a Democrat? |
The horror! The horror!
It's kind of entertaining that everyone is coming up with '10 Worst Things Rick Perry Ever Said' lists. Here is a new one:
The Ten Weirdest Ideas In Rick Perry�s �Fed Up�
� 10. Social Security Is Evil: According to Perry Social Security is �by far the best example� of a program �violently tossing aside any respect for our founding principles.� (page 4
http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2011/08/15/295427/295427/
Not from this list, but there is a story going around that someone held a talking points kind of meeting wanting to find out how people felt about various Rick Perry policies. When the one about his possible execution of an innocent man came up, some guy in the audience is supposed to have said, "I like that. It takes balls to execute an innocent man." |
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goreality
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visitorq
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:40 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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Rick Perry used to be a Democrat? |
The horror! The horror!  |
Just remember that the next time you try to paint him as some sort of staunch Republican type... He's not. |
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:31 am Post subject: |
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lithium wrote: |
Rick Perry is the real deal. We need someone to be the exact opposite of Obama, and he is the obvious choice. |
If by opposite, you mean carbon copy, then yes, he is that.
It is pretty clear that the only candidate who differs in any meaningful way from all the other carbon copy Repubmocrats is Ron Paul. He is the only one who will end all four (five?) wars, end the Fed, and deal responsibly with the debt fiasco. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:32 am Post subject: |
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visitorq wrote: |
Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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Rick Perry used to be a Democrat? |
The horror! The horror!  |
Just remember that the next time you try to paint him as some sort of staunch Republican type... He's not. |
Is this your subtle way of trying to hang the atrocity that was Ronald Reagan around Democrats' necks?
It's a commonly acknowleged truism that a convert is the most inflexible. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:51 am Post subject: |
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It didn't take Perry long to demonstrate he isn't qualified to be president.
Exhibit A: Karl Rove's (Karl Rove!) reaction to the Bernanke accusation:
"You don't accuse the chairman of the Federal Reserve of being a traitor to his country. Of being guilty of treason. And, suggesting that we treat him pretty ugly in Texas. You know, that is not, again a presidential statement," - Karl Rove.
Joseph Lawler: "Here's the question I'd like to see Perry asked: 'Your predecessor as governor of Texas, George W. Bush, appointed Ben Bernanke to the Fed in 2006. In 2008, during an election year in which the Republican incumbency was threatened, Bernanke effectively doubled the monetary base. In other words, he more or less printed money on a massive scale. Was that "almost treasonous"? If so, what is Bush's culpability, given that he knew beforehand from Bernanke's academic work that he would print money in response to a financial crisis?'"
Exhibit B: Does Obama love America? Perry: "You're a good reporter. Go ask him."
This is just Birtherism in disguise...Obama is not, somehow, one of us.
But do not despair, right-wing friends! You have yet another savior on the horizon. Paul Ryan is off in Colorado naval-gazing about whether to throw his hat in the ring.
Wisconsin congressman Paul Ryan is strongly considering a run for president. Ryan, who has been quietly meeting with political strategists to discuss a bid over the past three months, is on vacation in Colorado discussing a prospective run with his family. Ryan�s concerns about the effects of a presidential campaign � and perhaps a presidency � on his family have been his primary focus as he thinks through his political future.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/ryan-president_590273.html |
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Ya-ta Boy
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