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recessiontime
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visitorq
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| Great clip, thanks for sharing~ |
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jrwhite82
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I happen to like Ron Paul. He is incredibly smart, he usually sticks to what he says, he seems to be the most pro-average Joe guy in the running. I agree with him about a lot of his economic ideas and his desire to get out of Iraq.
I don't agree with him about gun control, same sex marriage, and some other social issues.
And I agree with some of his ideas about education but not all of them.
So I don't own guns, and don't really care about them because I tend not to frequent places where people get shot a lot. I'm not gay, so I don't care about same sex marriage enough to let it influence my vote much.
Basically, I care about my money (or lack of) and education policy. I could see myself voting for Ron Paul over Obama. But I don't see Ron Paul winning the nomination right now. He hasn't captured the media's attention yet (or they are so scared of him they are ignoring him). |
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
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Can anyone still seriously doubt that there are powers that be in the background actively working to continually cast Paul as a fringe or wacko candidate or just completely marginalize him? When a bunch of different hosts use exactly the same language in ignoring him, it is obvious.
Luckily, his support seems ot be coming to a point where they won't be able to do it much longer. |
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recessiontime
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Ineverlie&I'malwaysri wrote: |
Can anyone still seriously doubt that there are powers that be in the background actively working to continually cast Paul as a fringe or wacko candidate or just completely marginalize him? When a bunch of different hosts use exactly the same language in ignoring him, it is obvious.
Luckily, his support seems ot be coming to a point where they won't be able to do it much longer. |
Even before this I have acknowledged that pretty much all major news networks cater to the establishment/government. I wonder if the general public will ever catch on to this fact and abandon it television news all together and opt to get their news from the internet instead. |
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Privateer
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Ineverlie&I'malwaysri wrote: |
| Can anyone still seriously doubt that there are powers that be in the background actively working to continually cast Paul as a fringe or wacko candidate or just completely marginalize him? When a bunch of different hosts use exactly the same language in ignoring him, it is obvious. |
Any candidate who threatens to take the debate out of 'safe' territory is classified automatically as a wacko. Some because they actually are wackos (although they're letting a lot of those into the game nowadays); some because they advocate sensible measures that go against powerful interests or 'powers that be'.
Which are 'powers that be' in question ought to be obvious: the US military, the biggest and most powerful organisation in the world bar none. I'm guessing they don't like Ron Paul's isolationist stance, which, as far as I'm concerned, is the top thing to like about him. |
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Privateer
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:31 am Post subject: |
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| Looking at the clip...Wow. You couldn't make this stuff up. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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So I don't own guns, and don't really care about them because I tend not to frequent places where people get shot a lot. I'm not gay, so I don't care about same sex marriage enough to let it influence my vote much. |
So you know certain things are wrong, but because these wrongs don't affect you directly, you disregard them in your voting habits. This very common behavior type is one of the biggest drivers of dysfunction in American politics.
-Who cares if gays and/or ethnic minorities are actively and unjustly discriminated against? I'm not gay and/or an ethnic minority.
-Who cares if gun violence leads to a large number of needless deaths among the urban poor? I don't live near those people.
-Who cares if cutting welfare leads to increased poverty and child poverty? My children and I aren't poor.
-Who cares if cutting Medicare and Social Security would harm the elderly poor? I'm not elderly, and I don't plan on being poor by the time I become elderly.
-Who cares if opposing universal health insurance drives up health care costs and lowers access? I can still get health care.
-Who cares if outsourcing American jobs and crushing unions destroys working class jobs? I'm not working class.
-Who cares if education cuts reduce opportunity for future generations? My kids are all ready educated.
-Who cares if the elimination of income taxes increases wealth disparity at a time when said disparity is all ready both historically high and damaging our society? I plan on being on the winning side of that insurmountable gap.
-Who cares if women are denied the right to determination regarding their own bodies? I'm not a woman.
-Who cares if a total lack of environmental regulation could seriously harm both the quality of life of future citizens and the future livability of the world in general? I'll be dead by then.
I'm not trying to say that every single thing I've listed off is a specific position you yourself hold. What I'm trying to illustrate is that your position shares the same essence as those on this list, and that essence is not an admirable one. "It doesn't affect me, so I don't care," is not how we should craft our political stances. Americans need to vote based on what is right, not within the narrow scope of "What is right for me," but within the broader scope of, "What is right for society." |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
So I don't own guns, and don't really care about them because I tend not to frequent places where people get shot a lot. I'm not gay, so I don't care about same sex marriage enough to let it influence my vote much. |
So you know certain things are wrong, but because these wrongs don't affect you directly, you disregard them in your voting habits. This very common behavior type is one of the biggest drivers of dysfunction in American politics.
-Who cares if gays and/or ethnic minorities are actively and unjustly discriminated against? I'm not gay and/or an ethnic minority.
-Who cares if gun violence leads to a large number of needless deaths among the urban poor? I don't live near those people.
-Who cares if cutting welfare leads to increased poverty and child poverty? My children and I aren't poor.
-Who cares if cutting Medicare and Social Security would harm the elderly poor? I'm not elderly, and I don't plan on being poor by the time I become elderly.
-Who cares if opposing universal health insurance drives up health care costs and lowers access? I can still get health care.
-Who cares if outsourcing American jobs and crushing unions destroys working class jobs? I'm not working class.
-Who cares if education cuts reduce opportunity for future generations? My kids are all ready educated.
-Who cares if the elimination of income taxes increases wealth disparity at a time when said disparity is all ready both historically high and damaging our society? I plan on being on the winning side of that insurmountable gap.
-Who cares if women are denied the right to determination regarding their own bodies? I'm not a woman.
-Who cares if a total lack of environmental regulation could seriously harm both the quality of life of future citizens and the future livability of the world in general? I'll be dead by then.
I'm not trying to say that every single thing I've listed off is a specific position you yourself hold. What I'm trying to illustrate is that your position shares the same essence as those on this list, and that essence is not an admirable one. "It doesn't affect me, so I don't care," is not how we should craft our political stances. Americans need to vote based on what is right, not within the narrow scope of "What is right for me," but within the broader scope of, "What is right for society." |
I don't know. jrwhite82 has shown a lot of thought as to what his priorities are, and he pretty clearly is not single-issue voting. This is the kind of political calculus you want citizens to engage in before they step in the voting booth. |
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recessiontime
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