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How to increase a competitive edge to be hired for Seoul???
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Mila



Joined: 09 Aug 2011
Location: USA

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:23 pm    Post subject: How to increase a competitive edge to be hired for Seoul??? Reply with quote

From what I have been reading online, it seems that Seoul is much more choosy in applicants then rural cities. I really want to be hired in a public school in Seoul for the Spring 2012 term. So it will be really helpful if you can analyze my chance and/or offer suggestions in which I can be more competitive.

I recently graduated from a university in the US. I have also studied in a university in Seoul for 3 months. (Summer school). I'm female and Asian-American.

So what do you think my chances are for a Seoul public school position? (I also up for a hagwon - but I prefer PS). And is there anything I can do now to increase my chances??

Thank you


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minos



Joined: 01 Dec 2010
Location: kOREA

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Public schools seem to be cutting back enrollment these days.....

They're pretty tough on Asian applicants....get a really nice profile picture for resume.

It makes a huge difference. Get a photographer friend(not the generic family portrait places) to do you right.

Koreans do factor it in heavily for these kind of jobs....a few years ago, they let it slide if you had a whatever pic.
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oldtrafford



Joined: 12 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a crap shoot, nobody can say. You lack experience and any credentials, your resume isn't going to stand out. Apply, and see what happens, you never know.

Good luck!
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wishfullthinkng



Joined: 05 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the initial picture in the application email means just as much as the resume itself.

get professional pics like someone mentioned and don't hesitate for a second to get them "touched-up" if you've got some blemishes that day, you're looking extra tan, etc.

the picture is what will set you apart from the crowd unfortunately, not the resume.
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gst013



Joined: 16 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:10 pm    Post subject: edge in Seoul Reply with quote

I hate to say it but being an Asian-American is a massive negative in the eyes of most employers. My school used to have an Asian-American woman teaching for them and apparently the parents were not happy at all about it. Honestly, the best thing you can do is get a picture of yourself done looking as non-Asian as is humanly possible. I know that sounds ridiculous but it's the truth.
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wishfullthinkng



Joined: 05 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep, pretty much this:

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/4/2011/08/75d31104f5588781274ecbca07b94daf/original.jpg
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brento1138



Joined: 17 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

minos wrote:

They're pretty tough on Asian applicants....get a really nice profile picture for resume.


I find that SMOE is non-discriminatory when it comes to race. I met several people of both Korean and Vietnamese-American background who got hired. They have hired quite a few African Americans as well. When I attended the SMOE conferences it was a very mutli-racial scene. Good on you, SMOE.

Just wanted to let you know that it's not all racism here, and that you can definitely find work. Don't think being Asian-American will hold you back in any way!
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Jotun_Symph



Joined: 21 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with everyone above: PICTURE PICTURE PICTURE that's all they care about, so give them your best one. I've heard that applicants who send in T-shirt photos or pictures without a solid background are at a huge disadvantage.
As for the other matter:

I would hope that as long as you are a native English speaker your Asian background would not matter, especially for public schools.
My old hagwon boss asked me for advice in hiring a new teacher, and I recommended to her a Guam-American applicant. She told me "no way" because if the parents saw him teaching their children English, they would be pissed (sounds racist, but true). But for public schools, it really shouldn't matter, because the parents don't finance the school directly. This is all speculation, but I don't think you should get discouraged.
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't be so bent on Seoul. The rest of the country does have a lot to offer.
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Swampfox10mm



Joined: 24 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give it a try. Some schools don't care. A quality passport photo from a fuji or kodak store will do fine. Wear job interview clothing for it.
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Mila



Joined: 09 Aug 2011
Location: USA

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@brento1138: thanks for the encouragement. Smile So I'm guessing you're working through SMOE now? Can you give me some advice on what kind of lesson plan they are looking for for the app?

And to everyone else: Since it seems like the picture is a major factor, do you think a full body semi-professional shot will be okay? Or just the typical head to shoulder passport type pic?
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would you be open to a school near Seoul? Like thirty minutes-an hour outside? Give GEPIK a chance- since you are starting with no experience and GEPIK is trying to clean house it could be a nice 'in' for a public school position.

Download a map and do your research.

Good luck!
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThingsComeAround wrote:
Would you be open to a school near Seoul? Like thirty minutes-an hour outside? Give GEPIK a chance- since you are starting with no experience and GEPIK is trying to clean house it could be a nice 'in' for a public school position.

Download a map and do your research.

Good luck!


GEPIK is trying to clean house? I heard they were cutting back. Does your statement mean they are merely trying to get rid of their experienced teachers?

I had originally heard of older more senior teachers being dropped and non renewed on this board in 2009 as the recession began to flood Korea with applicants.
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minos



Joined: 01 Dec 2010
Location: kOREA

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swampfox10mm wrote:
Give it a try. Some schools don't care. A quality passport photo from a fuji or kodak store will do fine. Wear job interview clothing for it.


Good, but not great.

I just had a 2.5 a month hagwon in Seoul try to hire me even though I have a good job already; they only needed a recommendation from a friend and saw my picture taken during a studio shoot I was working on recently.

They didn't even see my resume or experience nor ask for it during the interview.

I'm black to boot.

If your asian/minority and not going public schools, get a pro to do a personal shoot.

You can get away with more artistic and fun photos because your a foreigner. I've had tons of interviews where they commenting on my pictures and how it reflects my personality...they take it seriously!

There are actually professional photographers here in Seoul who focus only on those resume photos.....they make a living too!
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weigookin74 wrote:
ThingsComeAround wrote:
Would you be open to a school near Seoul? Like thirty minutes-an hour outside? Give GEPIK a chance- since you are starting with no experience and GEPIK is trying to clean house it could be a nice 'in' for a public school position.

Download a map and do your research.

Good luck!

GEPIK is trying to clean house? I heard they were cutting back. Does your statement mean they are merely trying to get rid of their experienced teachers?

I had originally heard of older more senior teachers being dropped and non renewed on this board in 2009 as the recession began to flood Korea with applicants.

The government is trimming its fat and has forced GEPIK to act. Back in the day (like 5 years ago) only schools requesting NETs got one. In the last few years GEPIK forced NETs on schools that didn't even want one. Most likely it will go back to that scenario and there won't be as many NETs working public schools. Maybe one every 3rd school, just guesstimating here.
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