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rlamb1
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ajosshi
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| thanks, rob. that was a treat. |
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ThingsComeAround
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sadguy
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| thanks for the post, very interesting to see. how did this guy get to take all those photos? |
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Squire
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow, wooden scaffolding. I look forward to the day these people are liberated. I'd love to see Kim Jong Il tried and hanged like Saddam |
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isisaredead
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Squire wrote: |
| Wow, wooden scaffolding. I look forward to the day these people are liberated. I'd love to see Kim Jong Il tried and hanged like Saddam |
american, i presume? |
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Squire
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow, wooden scaffolding. I look forward to the day these people are liberated. I'd love to see Kim Jong Il tried and hanged like Saddam |
american, i presume? |
No, and I take it from your response you feel the North Korean people are better off under Kim Jong Il than they would be under an American puppet government? |
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ttompatz
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Squire wrote: |
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| Squire wrote: |
| Wow, wooden scaffolding. I look forward to the day these people are liberated. I'd love to see Kim Jong Il tried and hanged like Saddam |
american, i presume? |
No, and I take it from your response you feel the North Korean people are better off under Kim Jong Il than they would be under an American puppet government? |
YES.
American puppet governments have NOT had a good track record when it comes to human rights, protection of their citizens, reduction of poverty, disease, violence against innocent civilians, ad ad nauseum.
The regime in N.Korea, as bad as it is, is certainly no worse than your average American puppet government and in some cases, it is much better (you don't usually have to worry about getting blown up on your way to the market in N.Korea).
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cwflaneur
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Squire wrote: |
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| Squire wrote: |
| Wow, wooden scaffolding. I look forward to the day these people are liberated. I'd love to see Kim Jong Il tried and hanged like Saddam |
american, i presume? |
No, and I take it from your response you feel the North Korean people are better off under Kim Jong Il than they would be under an American puppet government? |
YES.
American puppet governments have NOT had a good track record when it comes to human rights, protection of their citizens, reduction of poverty, disease, violence against innocent civilians, ad ad nauseum.
The regime in N.Korea, as bad as it is, is certainly no worse than your average American puppet government and in some cases, it is much better (you don't usually have to worry about getting blown up on your way to the market in N.Korea).
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How about South Korea? Is that an American puppet regime by the metric you outlined? If not, how is a North Korea going to be any more a puppet regime when reunited with the South, than the South is now? |
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akcrono
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| isisaredead wrote: |
| Squire wrote: |
| Wow, wooden scaffolding. I look forward to the day these people are liberated. I'd love to see Kim Jong Il tried and hanged like Saddam |
american, i presume? |
I'm confused by this, are all Americans zealous seekers of justice or lovers of freedom? |
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isisaredead
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Squire wrote: |
| isisaredead wrote: |
| Squire wrote: |
| Wow, wooden scaffolding. I look forward to the day these people are liberated. I'd love to see Kim Jong Il tried and hanged like Saddam |
american, i presume? |
No, and I take it from your response you feel the North Korean people are better off under Kim Jong Il than they would be under an American puppet government? |
i just assumed you were an american judging from your bloodlust.
no other nation gets such indignant bloodlust for killing people than americans seem to. the reaction to bin laden's death was barbaric.
but, as you said, you're not american. so, there ya go.
my underlying point was, why would you want to kill someone, even if they are a pretty horrific leader? besides, the north korea of today is not the same place it was twenty years ago.
taking someone to an international court to recognise their crimes in a logical, cold mindset is what civilisation is all about. hanging them after the trial is not. |
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Squire
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
YES.
American puppet governments have NOT had a good track record when it comes to human rights, protection of their citizens, reduction of poverty, disease, violence against innocent civilians, ad ad nauseum.
The regime in N.Korea, as bad as it is, is certainly no worse than your average American puppet government and in some cases, it is much better (you don't usually have to worry about getting blown up on your way to the market in N.Korea).
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Tell me an American installed government worse than the Kim dictatorships in North Korea. Trying to equate some sort of moral equivalence here is absurd and disgraceful. The anti Americanism of 'liberal' anti war types is the sort of thing that keeps Koreans living under a totalitarian dictatorship
Any of us who've lived in South Korea and had friends here should be grateful that 61 years ago the US (and UK, Turkey and others) didn't stand aside and let one of the Kims take SK.
Before you try to suggest Kim Il Sung and Syngman Rhee were as bad as each other think for a moment about the personal freedoms both sets of Koreans had at the time. Neither were great but one was a hell of a lot better than the other |
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ttompatz
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| cwflaneur wrote: |
| How about South Korea? Is that an American puppet regime by the metric you outlined? If not, how is a North Korea going to be any more a puppet regime when reunited with the South, than the South is now? |
Certainly the dictatorships / military / autocratic governments between 1960-1987 would be classed as American puppet regimes (typical of the era).
I wouldn't class the current Korean government as a "puppet". Certainly Kim Dae-jung and the anti-American government of Roh Moo-hyun couldn't be classed as "puppets. They did lots of things to pixx off the US governments of the time and Roh Moo-hyun was elected on a strong anti-American sentiment that prevailed here in 2002.
I think the governments of Iraq and Afganistan would be in the current class of "puppet governments"; put in place and supported by the US (and virtually no-one else).
If that is the benchmark of a current generation of "American puppet government" brought to power by an American supported and led regime change then N.Korea is better off starving in the dark than the US alternative (where starving in the dark is only 1 of many additional hazards brought to the country by US led regime change).
The US would be better off taking a look inside their borders (where the numbers of victims of violent crime per capita approximate the numbers of starving people in N.Korea) before they try to fix the ailments of the world.
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Squire
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
I think the governments of Iraq and Afganistan would be in the current class of "puppet governments"; put in place and supported by the US (and virtually no-one else).
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Iraq now has a democratically elected government and there is no more ethnic cleansing of Kurds or threat of Iraq invading Kuwait |
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jvalmer
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Ironic isn't it... the Americans had to oust the leader they supported to counter Iran. And Iran's leadership is there because again the Americans ousted a democratically leader and placed a US backed leader in Iran.
The US is basically trying to clean up their own mess. We'll see what the US will do when an anti-American government is elected in Iraq. |
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