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Pension Refund: Cashing out everytime I leave

 
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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:36 pm    Post subject: Pension Refund: Cashing out everytime I leave Reply with quote

I had a question about the pension refund. I understand the process of it but, there is a chance I may be in Korea for more than 5 years. To avoid getting vested into the Korean pension scheme.

Is it possible for me to cash out when I go home during winter break? Oddly enough, its cheaper for me to buy 2 one way tickets than it is to just buy a round trip. Think its cause of that tax that Korea puts on outbound international flights.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Pension Refund: Time Reply with quote

winterfall wrote:
I had a question about the pension refund. I understand the process of it but, there is a chance I may be in Korea for more than 5 years. To avoid getting vested into the Korean pension scheme.

Is it possible for me to cash out when I go home during winter break? Oddly enough, its cheaper for me to buy 2 one way tickets than it is to just buy a round trip. Think its cause of that tax that Korea puts on outbound international flights.


ONLY if your visa is canceled or your ARC expires at the same time.

As long as you have a valid, continuing work visa you cannot "cash out".

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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Pension Refund: Time Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
winterfall wrote:
I had a question about the pension refund. I understand the process of it but, there is a chance I may be in Korea for more than 5 years. To avoid getting vested into the Korean pension scheme.

Is it possible for me to cash out when I go home during winter break? Oddly enough, its cheaper for me to buy 2 one way tickets than it is to just buy a round trip. Think its cause of that tax that Korea puts on outbound international flights.


ONLY if your visa is canceled or your ARC expires at the same time.

As long as you have a valid, continuing work visa you cannot "cash out".

.


Hey ttompatz, thanks for the quick reply. Does the same apply for an F-4 ? It's not a strict working visa like the E-2
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Pension Refund: Time Reply with quote

winterfall wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
winterfall wrote:
I had a question about the pension refund. I understand the process of it but, there is a chance I may be in Korea for more than 5 years. To avoid getting vested into the Korean pension scheme.

Is it possible for me to cash out when I go home during winter break? Oddly enough, its cheaper for me to buy 2 one way tickets than it is to just buy a round trip. Think its cause of that tax that Korea puts on outbound international flights.


ONLY if your visa is canceled or your ARC expires at the same time.

As long as you have a valid, continuing work visa you cannot "cash out".

.


Hey ttompatz, thanks for the quick reply. Does the same apply for an F-4 ? It's not a strict working visa like the E-2


I would assume that as long as they maintain a valid residence visa that allows them to work that they won't be allowed to cash out until it expires or is canceled.

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pkjh



Joined: 23 May 2008

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Pension Refund: Time Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
winterfall wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
winterfall wrote:
I had a question about the pension refund. I understand the process of it but, there is a chance I may be in Korea for more than 5 years. To avoid getting vested into the Korean pension scheme.

Is it possible for me to cash out when I go home during winter break? Oddly enough, its cheaper for me to buy 2 one way tickets than it is to just buy a round trip. Think its cause of that tax that Korea puts on outbound international flights.

ONLY if your visa is canceled or your ARC expires at the same time.

As long as you have a valid, continuing work visa you cannot "cash out".
.

Hey ttompatz, thanks for the quick reply. Does the same apply for an F-4 ? It's not a strict working visa like the E-2

I would assume that as long as they maintain a valid residence visa that allows them to work that they won't be allowed to cash out until it expires or is canceled.
.

F4's can cash out before their visa expires. Show them some paper that your company can give you telling them the last day of work, a transfer done from a Korean bank to a foreign account and a ticket out of the country. It takes maybe 20 minutes with you signing a bunch of papers. I've done it and I didn't even have to turn in my card at customs.
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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Pension Refund: Time Reply with quote

pkjh wrote:


F4's can cash out before their visa expires. Show them some paper that your company can give you telling them the last day of work, a transfer done from a Korean bank to a foreign account and a ticket out of the country. It takes maybe 20 minutes with you signing a bunch of papers. I've done it and I didn't even have to turn in my card at customs.


Hey PKJH. I'm gonna stay in the same job continuously. But I'm worried about that term limit, stay more than 5 years and you can't get a refund. So I want to cash out when I go home during vacation. It doesn't seem like I can get away with it though.
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pkjh



Joined: 23 May 2008

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Pension Refund: Time Reply with quote

winterfall wrote:
pkjh wrote:

F4's can cash out before their visa expires. Show them some paper that your company can give you telling them the last day of work, a transfer done from a Korean bank to a foreign account and a ticket out of the country. It takes maybe 20 minutes with you signing a bunch of papers. I've done it and I didn't even have to turn in my card at customs.

Hey PKJH. I'm gonna stay in the same job continuously. But I'm worried about that term limit, stay more than 5 years and you can't get a refund. So I want to cash out when I go home during vacation. It doesn't seem like I can get away with it though.

Then I think you're out of luck. Not sure if the US has a pension agreement with Korea, but for other countries I think you can get that pension money transferred to your home country's pension.
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Colorado



Joined: 18 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where did you hear that you cannot get a refund if you stay for more than 5 years? I believe it is 10 years, not five.
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Colorado



Joined: 18 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

double post.

Last edited by Colorado on Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:30 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Colorado



Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Location: Public School with too much time on my hands.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wrote to the pension office yesterday because of concerns raised in this forum regarding pension refund for Americans aged 60+ and for Americans working in Korea for more than 5 years.

(My email to the pension office:)

Lump sum benefit
I am American, 59 years old. I have been teaching in Korea for more than 5 years and I have been paying into the National pension scheme. I will be retiring and leaving Korea at the end of my contract in March 2012.
I recently heard that persons 60 years old or older cannot recieve a lump sum refund payment for their pension. Is this true? Am I likely to face any difficulties in gaining my lump sum refund?

(Their response this morning:)

Dear sir

Thank you for your inquiry.

You can receive the refund irrespective of the age.

You must first visit one of our regional offices and bring with you several documents. These are: your Alien Registration Card, your passport, an airline ticket to confirm your emigration from Korea (the date of departure must be less than one month from the date of your claim), and a bankbook (or a bank statement, or voided check) for the account to which you wish your refund to be disbursed.

If you have any question, please feel free to contact us.


Sincerely,

National pension international center(Tel: 02-2176-8701)
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toddt82



Joined: 28 May 2009

PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a quick question about cashing out more than once as well. I've looked high and low for a similar question or comment inline with what I'm wondering about, but I haven't exactly found it.

Anyway, I was told that one can only apply for the pension refund once in a lifetime. The person who told me this is a rather dubious character, so I am not so sure it's true. I've found no information suggesting this on any websites, so I don't think it's the case. However, my plan is to leave Korea at the end of February and cash out my pension then. But, I have plans to return and work another contract, and would want to cash out a second time at the end of that contract. But, if it's a one-time thing I would rather save it all and cash it all out at once at the very end. What's the real deal here?

Any insight is greatly appreciated! Thank you!
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Wildbore



Joined: 17 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:43 am    Post subject: Re: Pension Refund: Time Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
winterfall wrote:
I had a question about the pension refund. I understand the process of it but, there is a chance I may be in Korea for more than 5 years. To avoid getting vested into the Korean pension scheme.

Is it possible for me to cash out when I go home during winter break? Oddly enough, its cheaper for me to buy 2 one way tickets than it is to just buy a round trip. Think its cause of that tax that Korea puts on outbound international flights.


ONLY if your visa is canceled or your ARC expires at the same time.

As long as you have a valid, continuing work visa you cannot "cash out".

.


What if, before leaving, you change from a work visa to a 3 month looking for work visa? Are you still able to cash it out, given the new visa status.
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Mr Lee's Monkey



Joined: 24 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've cashed out three times in the past four years, in between yearly contracts after which I've taken three or four weeks and gone back to the states to visit family. I've even shown round trip tickets between Korea and the states when filing and never had a problem until quite recently. I showed a round trip ticket to Fukuoka and returned to Korea as a tourist last month, but the person at the pension desk would not process the refund this most recent time because I wasn't leaving Korea for good. She insisted that, despite the fact I was returning to Korea from Japan on a tourist visa, I might work and earn money (no way I'd have done that). The international call center was really helpful when I spoke to them about a job for which I was promised pension and health care and not getting either. In the case of not processing the refund this time around, they would only defer to the person in my local office, although they didn't necessarily agree with the interpretation of the rules by the office person I dealt with. Like immigration, in my limited experience, there seems to be wide variation of interpretation and enforcement of the rules among offices and regions. In any case, I have certainly cashed out three times in the past, and it would have been four had I only shown a one way ticket out of Korea this most recent time. The one time only thing is definitely not true.
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