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aparker
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 Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:10 pm Post subject: A blemished Criminal Background Check |
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I recently completed an FBI CBC and apostille for work as a teacher in Korea, but I have a DWI from 1998 on my record. Is there anyway that I can still be hired as a teacher with this on my record? I have one year experience teaching in Korea, but this was before an FBI CBC was required.
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oldtrafford
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry fella, but you have slim to none, and slim's out of town!! |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: A blemished Criminal Background Check |
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| aparker wrote: |
I recently completed an FBI CBC and apostille for work as a teacher in Korea, but I have a DWI from 1998 on my record. Is there anyway that I can still be hired as a teacher with this on my record? I have one year experience teaching in Korea, but this was before an FBI CBC was required.
Thank you for your help. |
China (get an out of state CBC in case they ask for one) , Thailand or Indonesia.
Korea and Taiwan are off your radar for legal work with a blemish on your FBI check.
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aparker
Joined: 18 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:16 am Post subject: More Criminal Background Check questions... |
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Thank you for the insight regarding other countries that don't require FBI checks. I taught ESL last year in Korea with a state CBC. I really enjoyed teaching the kids, so I am very sad not to be allowed to return because of a mistake I made 13 years ago. That's life.
Three more questions:
1. I was arrested but not convicted, does that make a difference?
2. I am curious, who sets the stipulations for the background checks, the government or the individual schools?
3. Do you have to be sponsored by a school to get a working visa for ESL?
I appreciate all the input.
Thanks again. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:38 am Post subject: Re: More Criminal Background Check questions... |
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| aparker wrote: |
Thank you for the insight regarding other countries that don't require FBI checks. I taught ESL last year in Korea with a state CBC. I really enjoyed teaching the kids, so I am very sad not to be allowed to return because of a mistake I made 13 years ago. That's life.
Three more questions:
1. I was arrested but not convicted, does that make a difference?
2. I am curious, who sets the stipulations for the background checks, the government or the individual schools?
3. Do you have to be sponsored by a school to get a working visa for ESL?
I appreciate all the input.
Thanks again. |
1. No. However, I have heard some teachers have gotten jobs with a less than perfect CBC. Apply and see what happens, but don't count on it. It is definitely a long shot. (The stories I have heard are never directly from a source, and I've only heard of it happening from some people who posted on this forum who knew a guy, that maybe knew a guy)
2. Government.
3. Yes. |
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Ribena
Joined: 07 Apr 2011
Location: UK
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| It strikes me a somewhat strange that the Americans have to get the more comprehensive FBI check while the Brits can get away with sending a Basic Disclosure Scotland check which doesn't included spent convictions. |
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Wildbore
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| It strikes me a somewhat strange that the Americans have to get the more comprehensive FBI check while the Brits can get away with sending a Basic Disclosure Scotland check which doesn't included spent convictions. |
Not really. Before, any American with any record could get a job teaching, with simply an out-of-state check. The FBI check closes that hole. |
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Ribena
Joined: 07 Apr 2011
Location: UK
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| Ribena wrote: |
| It strikes me a somewhat strange that the Americans have to get the more comprehensive FBI check while the Brits can get away with sending a Basic Disclosure Scotland check which doesn't included spent convictions. |
Not really. Before, any American with any record could get a job teaching, with simply an out-of-state check. The FBI check closes that hole. |
Clearly they have realised Americans are not be trusted. They need a much more detailed examination.  |
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PastorYoon
Joined: 25 Jun 2010
Location: Sea of Japan
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| Clearly they have realised Americans are not be trusted. |
Clearly you should not be an English teacher.  |
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:47 am Post subject: Re: More Criminal Background Check questions... |
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| aparker wrote: |
Thank you for the insight regarding other countries that don't require FBI checks. I taught ESL last year in Korea with a state CBC. I really enjoyed teaching the kids, so I am very sad not to be allowed to return because of a mistake I made 13 years ago. That's life.
Three more questions:
1. I was arrested but not convicted, does that make a difference?
2. I am curious, who sets the stipulations for the background checks, the government or the individual schools?
3. Do you have to be sponsored by a school to get a working visa for ESL?
I appreciate all the input.
Thanks again. |
Just forget Korea and go to one of the afformentoned places. Don't fight to get in Korea. Jebus. |
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aparker
Joined: 18 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: More Criminal Background Check questions... |
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| aparker wrote: |
Thank you for the insight regarding other countries that don't require FBI checks. I taught ESL last year in Korea with a state CBC. I really enjoyed teaching the kids, so I am very sad not to be allowed to return because of a mistake I made 13 years ago. That's life.
Three more questions:
1. I was arrested but not convicted, does that make a difference?
2. I am curious, who sets the stipulations for the background checks, the government or the individual schools?
3. Do you have to be sponsored by a school to get a working visa for ESL?
I appreciate all the input.
Thanks again. |
1. No. However, I have heard some teachers have gotten jobs with a less than perfect CBC. Apply and see what happens, but don't count on it. It is definitely a long shot. (The stories I have heard are never directly from a source, and I've only heard of it happening from some people who posted on this forum who knew a guy, that maybe knew a guy)
2. Government.
3. Yes. |
Thank you for the answers. |
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Jotun_Symph
Joined: 21 Aug 2011
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| Try to get it expunged. I don't know the details about that process, but I think you can do it for most misdemeanors after a certain time period. And, I agree, apply anyway, it wouldn't hurt to try. It sucks that you might be barred frm teaching in Korea for a simple DWI, it's not even a felony. |
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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: More Criminal Background Check questions... |
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| aparker wrote: |
Thank you for the insight regarding other countries that don't require FBI checks. I taught ESL last year in Korea with a state CBC. I really enjoyed teaching the kids, so I am very sad not to be allowed to return because of a mistake I made 13 years ago. That's life.
Three more questions:
1. I was arrested but not convicted, does that make a difference?
2. I am curious, who sets the stipulations for the background checks, the government or the individual schools?
3. Do you have to be sponsored by a school to get a working visa for ESL?
I appreciate all the input.
Thanks again. |
OP, arrested but not convicted makes a HUGE difference.
As people may or may not be aware of, the FBI check is totally voluntary for local police departments to report. Even for murder and other violent crimes, they are not required by any law to report it. The fact is, the federal government extorts them into reporting the serious crimes, but that's another story for another time...
THE POINT IS - some places report everything - arrests, convictions, dismissals, etc. Others only report the bad things - arrests and convictions, and they ignore the other stuff - being found not guilty, charges being dropped, etc.
You're NOT looking for an expungement. You're looking for them to correct THEIR mistake. Call the department that arrested you. Tell them the situation and that you need them to get that removed.
And yes, this is THEIR mistake. What good is a report that shows when the police arrested someone? What does that actually tell us? Nothing other than the cops put handcuffs on someone. They got the wrong guy on accident? They have a grudge against this person and arrest them for sport? The person is a scumbag who has a good lawyer and is always getting away with it? It tells us nothing, and it shouldn't be on there.
Really, this shouldn't be a big issue. Might take some bureaucratic time, but other than that it should be pretty simple. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: More Criminal Background Check questions... |
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| aparker wrote: |
Thank you for the insight regarding other countries that don't require FBI checks. I taught ESL last year in Korea with a state CBC. I really enjoyed teaching the kids, so I am very sad not to be allowed to return because of a mistake I made 13 years ago. That's life.
Three more questions:
1. I was arrested but not convicted, does that make a difference?
2. I am curious, who sets the stipulations for the background checks, the government or the individual schools?
3. Do you have to be sponsored by a school to get a working visa for ESL?
I appreciate all the input.
Thanks again. |
1) ONLY if it makes a difference in whether the report shows "no record found" or anything else. IF anything else you won't be returning to Korea.
If you haven't pulled the FBI check yet you are just speculating and everything is nothing more than what-ifs.
If you have pulled the FBI check and there is something there you need to move on.
2) Immigration. they are the ones who will deny your visa confirmation application. The school really has no say in the matter other than knowing that a positive will result in a denial so it isn't worth the time to apply.
3) YES. Part of the application requires sponsorship (your employer). No job = no visa.
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JD_Tiberius
Joined: 16 Nov 2009
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Ribena wrote: |
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| Ribena wrote: |
| It strikes me a somewhat strange that the Americans have to get the more comprehensive FBI check while the Brits can get away with sending a Basic Disclosure Scotland check which doesn't included spent convictions. |
Not really. Before, any American with any record could get a job teaching, with simply an out-of-state check. The FBI check closes that hole. |
Clearly they have realised Americans are not be trusted. They need a much more detailed examination. |
Or maybe its just that the US legal system is backwards for not having a basic nationwide check.  |
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