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morningsoju
Joined: 20 Aug 2011
Location: Seoul, Korea
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 Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:42 pm Post subject: any recruiters or former recruiters out there? |
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recently, my friend started a elementary hagwon in Seongnam. he is growing and needs more teachers. if he posts jobs on various sites, will recruiters contact him to work with him and his school? he believes the recruiters will make his busy life much easier. finding quality teachers proved to be harder than expected, so he has asked me to help him.
i did some searching on here and saw that the going rate is anywhere between 700-1500$ per teacher. im guessing he will be paying the lower end of that scale. can someone give me advice on how to deal with this type of business? as far as the commission rate, im guessing $700 would be for a regular college grad with no experience, and the price would go up for someone with teaching experience? does it matter what type of visa they are on? would there be another scale for teachers that are already in Korea??
any help would be appreciated. thanks! |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: any recruiters or former recruiters out there? |
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| morningsoju wrote: |
| as far as the commission rate, im guessing $700 would be for a regular college grad with no experience, and the price would go up for someone with teaching experience? |
Nope. The opposite is true. The more undesirable the job (the harder it is to fill), the higher the commission rate. $1,500 is to find a mark who will sign a predatory contract, and work long hours for low pay, which in turn makes the hagwon owner filthy rich. |
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morningsoju
Joined: 20 Aug 2011
Location: Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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thanks for your reply.
the school is actually pretty good. its just not a big chain, so no one knows the name. i can post a link of the school, but not sure if it would be considered spam if i posted it on here.
the pay is normal, 2.3-2.8 + housing and key money. and actually, housing is optional because you could just take the extra 500 if you wanted. in addition they get a severance bonus of 1 full paycheck at the end of the contract. work hours are from 3:30-10pm mon-fri with 1 half day during the week. these all seem pretty standard to me.
he just wants a normal teacher. they dont have to have a teaching certificate or esl certificate. as long as they have a good attitude, its all good.
he thought that 700 would be fair, but anything above that is too pricey. |
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melee
Joined: 20 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:40 am Post subject: |
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If we are job searchers, how can we contact your friend personally?
I would not mind having my application/resume looked over. |
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morningsoju
Joined: 20 Aug 2011
Location: Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:27 am Post subject: |
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hi melee~ sure, you can email me at [email protected]. are you currently in Korea?
its funny because hes paying me to recruit a recruiter for him. the ones i talk to are very unprofessional and they basically give me a quote with absolutely no details. example of one reply - '1,100,000 including pick up service. let us know your preference.'
does anyone have a recruiter to school contract i could look at? i'm lost on what i should receive in a recruiter. should they arrange the flight also? why should i pay one recruiter 1300 over another that charges 700? none of the teachers quit at his hagwon, but one was fired because he came to work ridiculously hung over more than once (this was within the first 3 months). he shouldnt have to pay the recruiter for a poor teacher like that. |
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BigBuds
Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:28 am Post subject: |
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Usually the standard for hagwons is 1,000,000 to 1,200,000won per teacher.
Public schools, 700,000 to 800,000won per teacher. |
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CPJ
Joined: 30 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:28 am Post subject: |
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Go to the Korean job posting section on eslcafe.
It is filled with recruiters that post job offers.
E-mail them. You will get tons of replies asking for your business. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:43 am Post subject: Re: any recruiters or former recruiters out there? |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| morningsoju wrote: |
| as far as the commission rate, im guessing $700 would be for a regular college grad with no experience, and the price would go up for someone with teaching experience? |
Nope. The opposite is true. The more undesirable the job (the harder it is to fill), the higher the commission rate. $1,500 is to find a mark who will sign a predatory contract, and work long hours for low pay, which in turn makes the hagwon owner filthy rich. |
Complete BS that you just pulled out of your rear end. 
Big Buds has the right of it...
Placement fees from what I know from friends who do recruitment varies from 700 000W to 1200 000W. All fees are conditional or payment is delayed for a set period. Typically this is a 2-3 month period where if the teacher bails, the recruiter has to refund the fee, find another teacher for free or does not get paid at all.
The fee will depend on what services the recruiter offers, how many people work between the recruiter and the hiring school. So if a recruiter offers to supervise the visa processing and ensure follow up until the teacher arrives in Korea, the fee will be higher but the recruiters costs will also be higher. A lot of Western country based recruiters also work with partner agencies in Korea so the placement fee is shared. There are lots of things to consider here. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: any recruiters or former recruiters out there? |
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| morningsoju wrote: |
| the going rate is anywhere between 700-1500$ per teacher |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| morningsoju wrote: |
| as far as the commission rate, im guessing $700 would be for a regular college grad with no experience, and the price would go up for someone with teaching experience? |
Nope. The opposite is true. The more undesirable the job (the harder it is to fill), the higher the commission rate. $1,500 is to find a mark who will sign a predatory contract, and work long hours for low pay, which in turn makes the hagwon owner filthy rich. |
Complete BS that you just pulled out of your rear end.
Big Buds has the right of it. |
| BigBuds wrote: |
Usually the standard for hagwons is 1,000,000 to 1,200,000won per teacher.
Public schools, 700,000 to 800,000won per teacher. |
Care to explain discrepancy in commissions between the two?
Public offers better conditions, and hence has more applicants and higher hiring standards. For the past few years, there have been more applicants than positions open. On the other hand, there's no waiting list of people clamoring to sign up with Wonderland. Do you understand the rule of supply and demand? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: any recruiters or former recruiters out there? |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
Care to explain discrepancy in commissions between the two?
Public offers better conditions, and hence has more applicants and higher hiring standards. For the past few years, there have been more applicants than positions open. On the other hand, there's no waiting list of people clamoring to sign up with Wonderland. Do you understand the rule of supply and demand? |
Volume.
Schools (hagwans) may employ a recruiter to hire a few teachers per year.
Government programs (combined) hire thousands.
If you are a recruiter who is approved to work finding teachers for government schools then one ad gets you 10-100 commissions rather than 1 or 2 and the program itself does a lot of the screening (if they are sending out a NOA rather than a visa confirmation number) rather than the recruiter doing the bulk of the work.
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BigBuds
Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:52 am Post subject: Re: any recruiters or former recruiters out there? |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| World Traveler wrote: |
Care to explain discrepancy in commissions between the two?
Public offers better conditions, and hence has more applicants and higher hiring standards. For the past few years, there have been more applicants than positions open. On the other hand, there's no waiting list of people clamoring to sign up with Wonderland. Do you understand the rule of supply and demand? |
Volume.
Schools (hagwans) may employ a recruiter to hire a few teachers per year.
Government programs (combined) hire thousands.
If you are a recruiter who is approved to work finding teachers for government schools then one ad gets you 10-100 commissions rather than 1 or 2 and the program itself does a lot of the screening (if they are sending out a NOA rather than a visa confirmation number) rather than the recruiter doing the bulk of the work.
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Spot on |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:24 am Post subject: Re: any recruiters or former recruiters out there? |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| World Traveler wrote: |
Care to explain discrepancy in commissions between the two?
Public offers better conditions, and hence has more applicants and higher hiring standards. For the past few years, there have been more applicants than positions open. On the other hand, there's no waiting list of people clamoring to sign up with Wonderland. Do you understand the rule of supply and demand? |
Volume.
Schools (hagwans) may employ a recruiter to hire a few teachers per year.
Government programs (combined) hire thousands.
If you are a recruiter who is approved to work finding teachers for government schools then one ad gets you 10-100 commissions rather than 1 or 2 and the program itself does a lot of the screening (if they are sending out a NOA rather than a visa confirmation number) rather than the recruiter doing the bulk of the work.
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Could not have said it better.
Also noteworthy, a typical recruiter goes through 8-12 applicants to place one teacher.
The rates vary and as I said they are conditional. |
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oujibdelamere
Joined: 31 Aug 2011
Location: Belgium
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| Hi morningsoju -- I'm a job searcher too. Would be great to get an idea of my hire-ability -- can I go ahead and email you at the gmail address you posted? |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:26 am Post subject: Re: any recruiters or former recruiters out there? |
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| BigBuds wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
| World Traveler wrote: |
Care to explain discrepancy in commissions between the two?
Public offers better conditions, and hence has more applicants and higher hiring standards. For the past few years, there have been more applicants than positions open. On the other hand, there's no waiting list of people clamoring to sign up with Wonderland. Do you understand the rule of supply and demand? |
Volume.
Schools (hagwans) may employ a recruiter to hire a few teachers per year.
Government programs (combined) hire thousands.
If you are a recruiter who is approved to work finding teachers for government schools then one ad gets you 10-100 commissions rather than 1 or 2 and the program itself does a lot of the screening (if they are sending out a NOA rather than a visa confirmation number) rather than the recruiter doing the bulk of the work.
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Spot on |
Exactly. It's volume.
A big chain school with a poor track record, a mix of employees and independent contractors, a spotty record of providing benefits, poor housing and low pay that hires dozens or even hundreds of teachers per year can negotiate for lower fees: $1200, $1000, maybe less.
Public schools with the lowest pay and deteriorating conditions hire thousands at $700 or so.
But, a small private school with high pay, full benefits, first-rate, fully furnished housing and many renewing teachers that only needs to hire one teacher per year will pay $1500.
That is how supply and demand works. Remember that the market being analyzed is the provision of teacher recruitment services. It is not the market for the teachers themselves where low quality positions should eventually have to pay more to the teachers. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:12 am Post subject: |
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Volume plays into it but seriously its not the only factor.
The people I know who work in recruiting (as recruiters) or who deal with recruiters for their staffing needs have said the placement fee varies mostly based on the services the recruiter will cover, the time frame (is it urgent) and how many people have a hand in the pie (partner agencies). |
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