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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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 Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| hwa jang shil wrote: |
I'm 42, ipod is full of 60s psychedelia, 70s glam and punk, 80s miserablism, 90s brit pop, a smattering of krautrock, soundtracks from dodgy early 70s Euro flicks, I carried a picture of Hendrix with me at all times in my early 20s.
The last month has mostly been spent listening to T-ara, love 'em. |
Nice! ...Rockin' the "Roly poly"! |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="rainism"]
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also..
this gyopo girl, Megan Lee won the cover of 2NE1 Lonely YouTube contest, and I clicked on some of her other stuff. She's QUITE good.
listen to THIS cover of 2NE1's "Clap you Hands".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWXHL35mfwU
it's a group of gyopos... I think this version is far superior to the original. (Americanized it a little but retains a strong Korean flavor)
This could easily be a chart hit in the US, don't you think?[/quote]
uh, NO, actually.
Maybe if they stopped trying to be so black and ghetto they'd have a shot at appearing less than ridiculous, but then they'd have no material to work from. |
isn't your view tainted by viewing the video??
what if you heard this on the radio???
what if it were sung exclusively in English?
would you feel the same way? I bet NOT.
are only blacks entitled to be "so black and ghetto"?
what does that make Eminem?
the 2nd gyopo rapper who raps in English sounds so ghetto rapperlike that had I not seen the video, I would have guessed he were an African American to begin with.
I don't care what it "looks" like. I'm talking about the SOUND. the song.
that song and production is cool. it "works" (at least for me)
even the rapping in Korean sounds good. The guy who overhauled the production and mix is DAMN GOOD. |
Yeah, it is influenced by the visual aspect, that's true. Information received from the visual impact is part of the package these days, I suppose.
I blanch imagining these guys trying to play live in a public place, throwing in their "tough nigga" gestures in front of, well, tough niggas.
But I also have to say that I've had my fill of this type of sound, it's been overdone for my tastes. Sorta like if another irony-loving hipster band in skinny jeans came along trying to be 80's.
So yeah, good effort by them, just not very fresh for me. |
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brickabrack
Joined: 17 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Nah. Sorry. This is stale. Auto tune shl+ is so played out.
I don't even like the similar sound from artists I find bearable.
"the 2nd gyopo rapper who raps in English sounds so ghetto rapperlike that had I not seen the video, I would have guessed he were an African American to begin with. "
Really? Maybe clean out the filters. Sounds like a Cali Korean to me.
I heard a 36 chambers sample on a kpop song the other day in
some food joint. I hear a lot of kpop 'stolen' beats. I rarely hear
any innovation in kpop. Just how I see it. |
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brickabrack
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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I blanch imagining these guys trying to play live in a public place, throwing in their "tough nigga" gestures in front of, well, tough niggas.
But I also have to say that I've had my fill of this type of sound, it's been overdone for my tastes. Sorta like if another irony-loving hipster band in skinny jeans came along trying to be 80's. |
ok, I can accept those criticisms.
but I'm not sure the apperance /look is part the "package" these days, certainly not for many older than tweens.
who's the fat pale one atop of the charts? Adele, right?
the Korean hood imitations don't bother me that much.. either theirs or in any other country outside of the US. After all, after decades of seeing suburban US whitebreads do it, why can't anyone else???
i thought within the genre, it was very well done. Most importantly, the production of the song, the groove, beat was just outstanding. That's where the Koreans go wrong. It took some Cali gyopos to get it "right", but there may be cultural differences and tastes at play. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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I blanch imagining these guys trying to play live in a public place, throwing in their "tough nigga" gestures in front of, well, tough niggas.
But I also have to say that I've had my fill of this type of sound, it's been overdone for my tastes. Sorta like if another irony-loving hipster band in skinny jeans came along trying to be 80's. |
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, I can accept those criticisms.
but I'm not sure the apperance /look is part the "package" these days, certainly not for many older than tweens.
who's the fat pale one atop of the charts? Adele, right?
the Korean hood imitations don't bother me that much.. either theirs or in any other country outside of the US. After all, after decades of seeing suburban US whitebreads do it, why can't anyone else???
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Well, if you meet people who grew up in dire straits and only made it out of hell through expressing what they've been through, it just hits a slightly off note for suburban whites, Koreans or gyopos or whoever to use the same style in order to get popular. Taking a musical idea and mixing it up in with a lot of other ingredients to make something really fresh that could have never happened in the place of origin (in this case, a ghetto/project/'hood) can have merit, but just apeing the gestures wholesale in your bedroom (not on a public stage where you have to really prove what you're doing to all-comers) is just a little too rich. You know, Eminem had to go out and face the music and has survived, whereas Vanilla Ice folded, but at least he got up there and battled.
So if these gyopos really go out there and prove themselves, like out on the streets where these mannerisms and sounds are from, then I'd be a little more inclined to give'em a nod of respect. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:00 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Stout"]
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I blanch imagining these guys trying to play live in a public place, throwing in their "tough nigga" gestures in front of, well, tough niggas.
But I also have to say that I've had my fill of this type of sound, it's been overdone for my tastes. Sorta like if another irony-loving hipster band in skinny jeans came along trying to be 80's. |
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, I can accept those criticisms.
but I'm not sure the apperance /look is part the "package" these days, certainly not for many older than tweens.
who's the fat pale one atop of the charts? Adele, right?
the Korean hood imitations don't bother me that much.. either theirs or in any other country outside of the US. After all, after decades of seeing suburban US whitebreads do it, why can't anyone else???
/quote] |
Well, if you meet people who grew up in dire straits and only made it out of hell through expressing what they've been through, it just hits a slightly off note for suburban whites, Koreans or gyopos or whoever to use the same style in order to get popular. Taking a musical idea and mixing it up in with a lot of other ingredients to make something really fresh that could have never happened in the place of origin (in this case, a ghetto/project/'hood) can have merit, but just apeing the gestures wholesale in your bedroom (not on a public stage where you have to really prove what you're doing to all-comers) is just a little too rich. You know, Eminem had to go out and face the music and has survived, whereas Vanilla Ice folded, but at least he got up there and battled.
So if these gyopos really go out there and prove themselves, like out on the streets where these mannerisms and sounds are from, then I'd be a little more inclined to give'em a nod of respect. |
I understand where you are coming from.
BUT.
I reject the premise.
I DON'T CARE where these people came from or what circumstances they had to face.
I just care about the song... the sound.. How my ears and brain reacts to it. Yours are very 2ndary considerations. (even the lyrics matter less to me, even in Korea which I don't understand, it "sounds" good)
to me that vast improvement on the original 2ne1 song had all the ingredients of the stuff I like (save the "imposters" doing the "posing") but like I said.. I don't care.
btw.. to the other poster, r u SURE the 2nd rapper (with the fur hat on) sounds like a Cali gyopo? Maybe I need to listen/hear more of them, but the cadence and sound of his voice would work on a West Coast rap song.
Excellent "imitation". |
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Stout
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:59 am Post subject: |
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Hey, if you cool with it, that's fine. I'd just as soon see them get a reality check so's they'd get around to digging deeper and coming up with their own material which actually gets them some real opportunity to do something with music and break the stereotype of of gyopos as opportunistic followers, but to each their own.
Have a good weekend, anyway  |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| Stout wrote: |
Hey, if you cool with it, that's fine. I'd just as soon see them get a reality check so's they'd get around to digging deeper and coming up with their own material which actually gets them some real opportunity to do something with music and break the stereotype of of gyopos as opportunistic followers, but to each their own.
Have a good weekend, anyway |
I am sure that will eventually happen.
but one must learn to crawl before one walks. In the meantime, let them enjoy what they want to enjoy for the time being.
it's not only Korea. Name a single European country outside of the UK with any music really worth listening to. Ever listen to French music? it was absolutely horrid before their own immigrants started rapping in French. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| rainism wrote: |
| ... Most importantly, the production of the song, the groove, beat was just outstanding. That's where the Koreans go wrong. It took some Cali gyopos to get it "right", but there may be cultural differences and tastes at play. |
Let's just call it Mary Jane shall we?
That's probably the one of the ingredients that made the difference. They are from Cali after all...
In fact, that could be the one thing that could actually turn K-pop cool; "light one up oppa, let's get some swing in there! And while we're at it, let's stop singing like 8 year old girls; it's like, such a buzzkill!" |
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Mix1
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| rainism wrote: |
it's not only Korea. Name a single European country outside of the UK with any music really worth listening to. |
Let's start with Sweden, then throw in Iceland, Ireland, France, Spain, Italy, Netherlands...and probably lots more I'm not aware of. But I guess it's subjective.Some pop there and LOTS of groovy electronic music production, especially if you are into variants of house, which I'm not but still loads of decent music there. |
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rainism
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
| rainism wrote: |
it's not only Korea. Name a single European country outside of the UK with any music really worth listening to. |
Let's start with Sweden, then throw in Iceland, Ireland, France, Spain, Italy, Netherlands...and probably lots more I'm not aware of. But I guess it's subjective.Some pop there and LOTS of groovy electronic music production, especially if you are into variants of house, which I'm not but still loads of decent music there. |
house is American. Originated in Chicago. It's sort of evolved into more modern forms today, such as trance/progressive which is the type of EDM (which house was) played in clubs the world over.
I'm sure there's still some great house in Europe (back in the day it was great in London) but then woulnd't that be subjected to the same 'copycat' criticism that one levels on Koreans for American hip hop and mannerisms?
I'd agree with you on potential groovy electornic music production, especially if you're referring to today's trance/progressive. A lot of the best stuff comes from Europe, as its youth is fully into trance/progressive in a way American youth is not.
but Euro pop sux. And I mean big time sux. |
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Mix1
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| rainism wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
| rainism wrote: |
it's not only Korea. Name a single European country outside of the UK with any music really worth listening to. |
Let's start with Sweden, then throw in Iceland, Ireland, France, Spain, Italy, Netherlands...and probably lots more I'm not aware of. But I guess it's subjective.Some pop there and LOTS of groovy electronic music production, especially if you are into variants of house, which I'm not but still loads of decent music there. |
house is American. Originated in Chicago. It's sort of evolved into more modern forms today, such as trance/progressive which is the type of EDM (which house was) played in clubs the world over.
I'm sure there's still some great house in Europe (back in the day it was great in London) but then woulnd't that be subjected to the same 'copycat' criticism that one levels on Koreans for American hip hop and mannerisms?
I'd agree with you on potential groovy electornic music production, especially if you're referring to today's trance/progressive. A lot of the best stuff comes from Europe, as its youth is fully into trance/progressive in a way American youth is not.
but Euro pop sux. And I mean big time sux. |
Hmm I think I'm with you for the most part. Maybe we are thinking of different music. I was more referring to things like Sigur Ros, Cardigans, Daft Punk, and more alternative type Euro bands, plus the new breeds of trance/prog house, Dubstep and other electronic spinoffs. To me that counters the claim that there is no good music coming from Europe other than England (even though I'm not specifically into that stuff). I guess if you are only referring to ultra newer stuff that's more radio friendly then maybe that's different. But it couldn't be worse than K-pop, especially when some K-pop artists now resort to buying pre-produced tracks from Scandinavian and other Euro producers. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| A video of a nigga beating down an adjeossi has gone viral. Think he has any respect for Korea? Definitely not for the music and those K performers who ape ghetto mannerisms. Keep copying, K-pop, you're just building up more entitlement for foreigners to look down their noses at your country. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Stout wrote: |
| A video of a nigga beating down an adjeossi has gone viral. Think he has any respect for Korea? Definitely not for the music and those K performers who ape ghetto mannerisms. Keep copying, K-pop, you're just building up more entitlement for foreigners to look down their noses at your country. |
Right, because music is a good reason to look down on anybody. 
But its okay for white people to copy Black music right? I mean a good chunk of white music over the last 70 years has been strongly influenced by black people. But its alright, because it's all white.
Again, anyone who thinks people are better or worse human beings based on what music they listen to is an idiot. An absolute idiot.
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Well, if you meet people who grew up in dire straits and only made it out of hell through expressing what they've been through, it just hits a slightly off note for suburban whites, Koreans or gyopos or whoever to use the same style in order to get popular. Taking a musical idea and mixing it up in with a lot of other ingredients to make something really fresh that could have never happened in the place of origin (in this case, a ghetto/project/'hood) can have merit, but just apeing the gestures wholesale in your bedroom (not on a public stage where you have to really prove what you're doing to all-comers) is just a little too rich. You know, Eminem had to go out and face the music and has survived, whereas Vanilla Ice folded, but at least he got up there and battled.
So if these gyopos really go out there and prove themselves, like out on the streets where these mannerisms and sounds are from, then I'd be a little more inclined to give'em a nod of respect. |
Oh and Stout, one thing you might not realize but should, is that a lot of those gyopos (who by the way I can't stand), actually live or lived in the ghetto and worked in the ghetto.
You know the liquor stores, nail stores, and beauty supply (hair and weave extensions) stores that cater to an African-American clientele, you know who owns them? Koreans.
I've meet multiple Korean people who know Lotto slang because of working in "ghetto" liquor stores.
Maybe you should actually bother to get a clue.
I'll also tell you this, black folks may get irritated at other cultures copying their style, but what they would really hate is a bunch of white people criticizing other people for ripping off black music. |
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