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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Sooo.... was there ever any more info found out about the case that would make this judgement seem more reasonable? |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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Korea Herald tweeted that he lost his appeal.
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Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:56 am Post subject: |
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"The Korean court found that on November 19, 2010, PVT Fisher punched a cab driver in the face instead of paying his 14,000 Won ($13.19) cab fare and stole an additional 94,000 Won ($88.56) from the cab. Furthermore, the court found that upon arrest, PVT Fisher caused over 600,000 Won ($565.26) worth of damages to the police car by kicking the back door, breaking the window and causing additional damage."
http://rokdrop.com/2011/07/29/usfk-provides-details-about-andre-fisher-case/
I didn't realize that the cab driver was robbed by a customer. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Sooo.... was there ever any more info found out about the case that would make this judgement seem more reasonable? |
From what I gathered:
1. A black guy in a orange hoodie refused to pay his taxi fare, punched the driver, and stole money. Andre was caught in a orange/black hoodie.
2. Andre claims to have been with friends who can vouch for his whereabouts. Yet these guys who can confirm his innocence seem strangely silent.
3. One poster on rokdrop claimed that Andre was found with personal items belonging to the taxi driver. He wrote:
"I wonder if the Fisher�s would care to respond to the fact that Andre was found to have in his possession the personal belongings of the cab driver at the time of his arrest. I know for a fact that when he was searched, the cab driver�s belongings were on his person."
4. Another poster on three monkeys claimed that Andre was due for a court martial hearing from getting caught keying cars.
http://www.usfk.mil/usfk/content.court.martial.results.29
"In Uijeongbu District Court on 21 July 2011, PVT Andre M. Fisher, 4th Chemical Company, USAG-Casey, was convicted of Destruction of Property and Damage of Public Property. His adjudged sentence was a 1,000,000 Won fine."
His sister claimed that it wasn't him and that there were 4-5 Andre M. Fishers in Seoul (with four of them in prison), any one of which could have done it.
ROKdrop investigated and found this:
On 21 July 11 Pvt Andre Fisher was sentenced to a fine of 1,000000 won
for:
1) Damage to Private Property � On 28 May 2011, the Soldier while
intoxicated made scratches on the passenger side of a parked vehicle in
Donducheon.
After being transported to Songnae police station in Dongducheon for
above listed offense,
2) Damage to Public Property � Damaging partitions by kicking in above
mentioned police station.
5. Andre's commander saw a video of the robbery and turned him over.
6. His family has been less than forthcoming about the incident. They refuse to answer the tough questions, explain inconsistencies in their stories or act in a way reasonable people would act if they truly believed their son to be innocent.
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ssuprnova
Joined: 17 Dec 2010
Location: Saigon
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Open and shut case, Johnson! |
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minos
Joined: 01 Dec 2010
Location: kOREA
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| earthquakez wrote: |
Julian - thanks for the info tho like others I think it's best to just stick to this thread from now.
My thoughts? I grew up in a multiracial part of London. I am a white man with some distant Caribbean ancestry from one distant ancestor. I always had friends who were Black or Bi-Racial (Black father, white mother or reverse). I noted that if there was any kind of trouble in certain situations, there were people ready to finger them (say they were the guilty party) based on nothing more than stereotypes of race and ethnicity and discomfort with Black/Brown people.
I noted that Andrew is African/African American in appearance. Whether some of you out there like it or not, disgust for Black skin and fear of/hatred for Black/Coloured people is very much alive in the middle age/older/old Korean age groups especially among men.
It's fair to say that Korean taxi drivers generally are uneducated, in some areas and cities they are ex criminals and it makes no difference at all to their being allowed to drive cabs even in the case of convicted sex offenders being allowed to cruise around and take as passengers women and girls, and an obvious racism towards non Koreans has been apparent to me as well as other foreigners I know from too many taxi drivers.
I think this reeks of a suspect case - the taxi driver trying to skive off the case, the missing money Andrew supposedly stole. Generally I consider Korean taxi drivers to have an over representation of scumbags in their ranks. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Andrew is the victim of one of these scumbags. |
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Yeah and ex-high school jocks that go to the army were all valedictorians... |
It's also safe to assume that the troops are a touch more educated than your average Korean taxi driver.
Not to mention taxi drivers are usually ex-cons...Can't say that about today's military considering they have to go through more background checks than your average E2 english "teacher". |
If by background check, you mean health check....Army will take anyone who isn't a former felon and can pass a health check.
Taxi drivers here require alot more experience driving. It's not like back home where any idiot can be a driver.
There is a reason no taxi-driver is under 30. It's a tough, competitive job! I've heard some say they make barely anything while others say they pull in $200 a day!
I've heard ex-cons and gangsters become bus drivers though. Those buses run red lights all the time and try to cut people off far more than taxis |
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Drew10
Joined: 31 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I've seen the background checks done by my recruiter when I joined. Just to join is the same basic CBC that E2's have to do, plus I had a security clearance, so I had an actual background investigation in order to obtain that clearance. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| madoka wrote: |
| 5. Andre's commander saw a video of the robbery and turned him over. |
This is certainly false. Even if the commanding officer did see any video, he would not be in the position to turn Fisher over to the Korean police. He would have to notify the installation commander and the base's Staff Judge Advocate (the top base lawyer) and then the Korean authorities would initiate the procedure to obtain custody of Fisher.
Even if the commanding officer had been completely convinced of Fisher's innocence, there is still no option to ignore the Korean authorities' request.
Under the SOFA, for serious crimes (rape, murder, arson, etc.), the Korean authorities take control of the accused person immediately. For other crimes, the US military authorities will transfer custody of the accused person to Korean control upon indictment by the Korean authorities.
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| 6. His family has been less than forthcoming about the incident. They refuse to answer the tough questions, explain inconsistencies in their stories or act in a way reasonable people would act if they truly believed their son to be innocent. |
The family is (a) simply repeating what Fisher told them, (b) blatantly making things up, or (c) both (a) and (b). Also, the comments left on their facebook page are less than a stellar example of what humanity should be. The family's posted agreement with those same comments doesn't make me sanguine about the family's reliability either. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Well now... it seems that my opinion is easily swayed - GUILTY! |
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minos
Joined: 01 Dec 2010
Location: kOREA
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Drew10 wrote: |
| I've seen the background checks done by my recruiter when I joined. Just to join is the same basic CBC that E2's have to do, plus I had a security clearance, so I had an actual background investigation in order to obtain that clearance. |
Given the age of most soldiers, I doubt they'd be able to find much in a security clearance at age 18.
-Un-paid library fees
-open their permanent school records 
-Embarrassing kindergarten photos
-bad reference from Joe Joe's burger shack. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Well now... it seems that my opinion is easily swayed - GUILTY! |
But wait, I didn't add the most damning piece of evidence yet! From our own true believer Julian, who visited Andre and wrote the following:
"I ask Andre if he was completely alone the night of his arrest, or if he had been out with others that evening. He looks to his right for a second, and then to his left as he starts to answer. He tells me that he was with a friend whom he�d �just met� in a club. The friend was named �Jarrod Jeffry�, and as I start to write he spells the name carefully for me without my prompting. I note it dutifully, wondering at both the lack of final �e� in the family name, and why Andre would need to know such a detail if they had �just met�. Andre continues, adding that he was probably aged about �twenty-two-ish� and that Jarrod had �told me he was an English teacher in Seoul.�
Describing the events of the evening immediately before the police arrived with the taxi driver who pointed him out, Andre says that Jarrod immediately started running as soon as he saw the police. Blinking, and sometimes glancing up ahead and other times down to the side, Andre adds that he didn�t see the need to run as he�d done nothing wrong, saying: �I was wondering why [Jarrod] was running when the police came up to me.�
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So there you go. It wasn't Andre, but a mysterious NET named Jarrod Jeffry. So rather than try to find this Jarrod, rather than demand the video of the robbery be released to the public, rather than try to find footage of this Jarrod, what does Andre's family do? Why they continue on with their smear campaign against the U.S. military and all of Korea/Koreans, spread misinformation, remind us of Andre's troubled youth as an abused adoptee and tell us how their son would never, ever act that way. Oh yeah, they also deleted Julian and links to his interview from their Facebook page and refuse to respond to him any more. Yeah, those are the actions of people who know their son/bro is innocent all right.  Or perhaps it's because the guys on ROKdrop already searched for this Jarrod fellow and found he doesn't exist. Even though he admits Andre was not telling the truth to him in prison, amazingly Julian still believes in Andre's innocence. |
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Drew10
Joined: 31 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I've seen the background checks done by my recruiter when I joined. Just to join is the same basic CBC that E2's have to do, plus I had a security clearance, so I had an actual background investigation in order to obtain that clearance. |
Given the age of most soldiers, I doubt they'd be able to find much in a security clearance at age 18.
-Un-paid library fees
-open their permanent school records
-Embarrassing kindergarten photos
-bad reference from Joe Joe's burger shack. |
Throw in College transcripts and there you have a FOB young NET.
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| madoka wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Well now... it seems that my opinion is easily swayed - GUILTY! |
But wait, I didn't add the most damning piece of evidence yet! From our own true believer Julian, who visited Andre and wrote the following:
"I ask Andre if he was completely alone the night of his arrest, or if he had been out with others that evening. He looks to his right for a second, and then to his left as he starts to answer. He tells me that he was with a friend whom he�d �just met� in a club. The friend was named �Jarrod Jeffry�, and as I start to write he spells the name carefully for me without my prompting. I note it dutifully, wondering at both the lack of final �e� in the family name, and why Andre would need to know such a detail if they had �just met�. Andre continues, adding that he was probably aged about �twenty-two-ish� and that Jarrod had �told me he was an English teacher in Seoul.�
Describing the events of the evening immediately before the police arrived with the taxi driver who pointed him out, Andre says that Jarrod immediately started running as soon as he saw the police. Blinking, and sometimes glancing up ahead and other times down to the side, Andre adds that he didn�t see the need to run as he�d done nothing wrong, saying: �I was wondering why [Jarrod] was running when the police came up to me.�
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So there you go. It wasn't Andre, but a mysterious NET named Jarrod Jeffry. So rather than try to find this Jarrod, rather than demand the video of the robbery be released to the public, rather than try to find footage of this Jarrod, what does Andre's family do? Why they continue on with their smear campaign against the U.S. military and all of Korea/Koreans, spread misinformation, remind us of Andre's troubled youth as an abused adoptee and tell us how their son would never, ever act that way. Oh yeah, they also deleted Julian and links to his interview from their Facebook page and refuse to respond to him any more. Yeah, those are the actions of people who know their son/bro is innocent all right. Or perhaps it's because the guys on ROKdrop already searched for this Jarrod fellow and found he doesn't exist. Even though he admits Andre was not telling the truth to him in prison, amazingly Julian still believes in Andre's innocence. |
What are the odds that an English teacher from Seoul would end up partying in Uijeongbu? |
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Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:01 am Post subject: |
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"The fact that Fisher would then a few months later trash a police station in a drunken fit as well just shows he has a problem with controlling himself when drinking alcohol....
"The interviewer later speaks with Fisher�s girlfriend who claims that Jarrod Jeffry is someone in their unit who recently PCSed out of Korea. For those that don�t know Fisher�s unit is the 4th Chemical Company at Camp Casey which apparently his girlfriend is also a Soldier with. Since the interviewer doesn�t have access to AKO he can�t confirm the girlfriend�s story but I can. After doing an AKO search for both a 'Jarrod Jeffry' and even a 'Jarrod Jeffrey' I did not find anyone with that name in the US Army. So here is yet another inconsistency in the story that now even involves Fisher�s girlfriend....
"Considering that he was reduced from a Private First Class to a Private due to an Article 15 action of some kind prior to his latest run in with the Korean legal system, Private Fisher obviously has been showing a pattern of misconduct that could see him chaptered from the military."
http://rokdrop.com/2011/08/17/details-emerge-about-andre-fishers-crimes-in-korea/
So he damaged a police station as well as a police car. The family complained that he was not allowed to call witnesses in his defense, but there is no evidence that the person who he claims was with him that night exists. He was demoted in rank for some unknown reason even before he got in trouble with the Korean police. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Be careful, Kepler. Some poster(s) already whined about me pointing out that the dude isn't squeaky clean as evidenced by his low rank after two years in the Army. The question, IIRC, posed to me was "What does that have to do with this case?" Well, as you pointed out, it has to do with his propensity for breaking the law. He's gotten himself a trifecta, it seems. He's violated US military law (presumably), he's violated Korean law, and he's going to be deported at the end of his incarceration. His big complaint is that he "has too much time to think." Guess what? That's the idea!
By the way, everyone I've known personally with the name that sounds like Jared spells it Jared. |
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