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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The OP got stuck in what appears to be a bad situation. This is too bad and he needs to decide what to do.

This is what happens to anyone who gets stuck in a bad or dissapointing job situation.

So all thats left for him is to decide how to move on: quit or run.

Did he do his homework before signing on..it seems he did some research. Does he have experience in Korea prior to this jobs? It seems so.

I will just say, the odds of landing a bad job should diminish to almost zero as you gain in country experience.
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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
The OP got stuck in what appears to be a bad situation. This is too bad and he needs to decide what to do.


He has...... decided.

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This is what happens to anyone who gets stuck in a bad or dissapointing job situation.

So all thats left for him is to decide how to move on: quit or run.


You never believed Utopian's plan of joining forces with the labor board had merit?

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Did he do his homework before signing on..it seems he did some research. Does he have experience in Korea prior to this jobs? It seems so.


This is an occasion when the use of the word 'seems' should be avoided. It insults the OP and achieves nothing. It's fine for you to think it, but you shouldn't say it.

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I will just say, the odds of landing a bad job should diminish to almost zero as you gain in country experience.


Almost zero!!!! Have a heart!!! Can we agree to work the odds up a bit to something commensurate with Korea?
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Tigerstyleone



Joined: 01 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Another of Korea's victims? Reply with quote

Pojogae wrote:

Why did I take this job? Because it is in the middle of Seoul, and this is the only thing I took into consideration when accepting it. Well, I got what I wanted.


Let me point out the quote "this is the ONLY thing I took into consideration.

thanks,

by the way... I'm on a boat

and... its not in the center of Seoul
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:01 am    Post subject: Re: Another of Korea's victims? Reply with quote

Tigerstyleone wrote:
Pojogae wrote:

Why did I take this job? Because it is in the middle of Seoul, and this is the only thing I took into consideration when accepting it. Well, I got what I wanted.


Let me point out the quote "this is the ONLY thing I took into consideration.

thanks,

by the way... I'm on a boat

and... its not in the center of Seoul


This is the second time this point is made and it does explain part of what happened to the OP.

Location is important but in no way should it supersede other elements of the job offer.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shifter...you have just been promoted Commander of the PC police, worldwide mandate.

Your mission: root out words people use that could possibly be remotely interpreted as potentially ambigous which in turn could lead a person to nfeel hurt.... Laughing

Good lord man....get a grip, seriously. Laughing

As for more direct response to what you posted last: the Labor Board is a very useful resource for many teachers. It does and can solve problems but oddly enough it requires supporting documentations to make a case. I would recommend it to most teachers who get cheated as an option. I suppose the OP could have gone there (or will).

I wish him luck locating another job if that is his intent and we can assume this episode will go into his lessons learned file.

Now your turn to comment on something related to the OP...

He said: Why did I take this job? Because it is in the middle of Seoul, and this is the only thing I took into consideration when accepting it. Well, I got what I wanted.

Do you not consider that this is an odd way to do your homework with regards to a job?

Seriously, lets take a stroll into adulthood for a second and accept that people have to take some form of responsibility for the choices they make and for how they reached that choice.

The OP got a raw deal but at the other end of it, he considered location as the end all condition and seems to have ignore other elements (even of he may have tried to change what he initially said in further posts, he still said it very clearly: location dwarfed ALL other considerations).
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Pojogae



Joined: 30 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just adjust 'only thing' to 'most significant thing' and it will be more accurate. Of course I also took into consideration whether they would actually pay me money for working, but such things don't really need to be elaborated, do they?

Seoul is a city with a lot to offer; however you talk as if desiring to come here implies some sort of naivity on my part. Would I make similar compromises to work here again? Probably not. But the job that was presented to me by the recruiter, and after I'd done my homework, seemed more than reasonable - and so it was, at first.

Sometimes you need to have a bad experience here to be able to identify the little things in contracts or interviews that may give clues to further problems. Other times the company just starts to run out of money. It can be hard to anticipate the latter.

There is a difference between being stuck in a bad situation that is exactly as it was presented to you from the outset and being stuck in one that involves lying, cheating, and flagrant violations of the contract. I don't really think I should feel that I carry much blame for finding myself in this fix, even if being in Seoul was the most significant thing that inspired my choice.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem OP. Your thread, you can adjust it all you like. Very Happy

Hope you do ok in whatever you choose to do next and I wish you luck. Still, everyone has to have a level of responsiblity for the choices they make. Key word: level as in it depends.

Good luck and seriously, this thread should end now, your story seems to be over with regards to the initial post...
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ZIFA



Joined: 23 Feb 2011
Location: Dici che il fiume..Trova la via al mare

PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sHIFTY wrote:
PatrickGHBusan wrote:
I will just say, the odds of landing a bad job should diminish to almost zero as you gain in country experience.


Almost zero!!!! Have a heart!!! Can we agree to work the odds up a bit to something commensurate with Korea?


Actually being an old hand doesn't make much difference at the moment.

its 100% an employers market now. Esl teachers are a dime a dozen.

Workplace abuses are on the rise, they know they can get away with it in the current economic climate.


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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
Shifter...you have just been promoted Commander of the PC police, worldwide mandate.

Your mission: root out words people use that could possibly be remotely interpreted as potentially ambigous which in turn could lead a person to nfeel hurt.... Laughing

Good lord man....get a grip, seriously. Laughing

As for more direct response to what you posted last: the Labor Board is a very useful resource for many teachers. It does and can solve problems but oddly enough it requires supporting documentations to make a case. I would recommend it to most teachers who get cheated as an option. I suppose the OP could have gone there (or will).

I wish him luck locating another job if that is his intent and we can assume this episode will go into his lessons learned file.

Now your turn to comment on something related to the OP...

He said: Why did I take this job? Because it is in the middle of Seoul, and this is the only thing I took into consideration when accepting it. Well, I got what I wanted.

Do you not consider that this is an odd way to do your homework with regards to a job?

Seriously, lets take a stroll into adulthood for a second and accept that people have to take some form of responsibility for the choices they make and for how they reached that choice.

The OP got a raw deal but at the other end of it, he considered location as the end all condition and seems to have ignore other elements (even of he may have tried to change what he initially said in further posts, he still said it very clearly: location dwarfed ALL other considerations).


Thanks for the promotion. A lot of it I owe you, you've paved the way, really.

Going back to the thread. You've made a woeful error of judgement. The OP was asking for advice as to his next step. His berating of himself on location was wholly incidental and thus he didn't go into chapter and verse.

His 'adjustments' have no bearing on his premise. It was only when Tiger jumped in with fresh issues that he found it necessary to embroider.

I'm wondering on the irony that you've managed to wangle a job, where giving advice on Korea plays a major part. The mind boggles!!
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