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highstreet
Joined: 13 Nov 2010
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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:50 am Post subject: |
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Aren't you dieting?
Dieting along with lifting weights = you won't "bulk up" |
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tukmax
Joined: 06 Jul 2010
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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:41 am Post subject: |
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| How much money have you saved in the 15 weeks? |
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: In my Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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*sigh* Time to address this. Two pages ago I was asked:
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| how are you doing with the money saving so far? |
I didn't answer. I've been avoiding the topic.
The fact is I have no savings and a maxed out credit card. At the end of August I'll pay off what I owe (2Mill). I'll have 1 mill savings by the end of September.
I have been surprised at how expensive it is to eat the healthy foods I've chosen. Every three days I spend between 50,000-100,000 won at E-Mart and HomePlus. I know I could save some money if I buy what I can at the 5-day farmers' market and the local "Mart". But I also like buying "organic" and pay 5000 won for ten eggs, almost as much for a bag of juicy and clean onions, etc. I think I could save 100,000 won a month easily with smarter decisions without sacrificing the good food habits I'm developing. 800,000 won a month for food seems to be a reasonable budget I might be able to meet.
I've been so focused on nutrition and weight loss and making wise deicsions in those regards that cost has not factored into it. If I spend a million on ingredients then so be it, has been my attitude. I have thrown out a lot of veggies when they start to go limp or discolored when I actually could do the age old tactic of turning them into a soup.
More importantly, I gotta cut out major purchases. I bought a bicycle for exercising, ordered a box of new books about cooking veggie soups, stirfries, low carb dishes and about small scale apartment gardening to grow some produce myself, bought a dozen DVDs when I've plenty of movies yet to watch, lots of little things for around the apartment I could do without. I should have at least 1 Mill in savings now if I had been diligent about things.
My car insurance and car repairs put me back near a million, but that's the cost of having my beloved jeep.
For me to reach my financial goal:
Sept 1 M
Oct 1 M
Nov 1 M
Dec 1 M + Bonus 2 M
Jan 1 M
Feb 1 M
Mar 1 M
Apr 1 M
There is no wiggle room. I have to not take a trip when I re-sign for another year, saving most of the bonus end of contract pay. I have to avoid all major purchases. I need to shift into survival mode mentally with respect to finances. Dang! |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Throw the ginger in that morning fry-up you do, see how that goes? |
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weso1
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:13 am Post subject: |
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| Louis VI wrote: |
*sigh* Time to address this. Two pages ago I was asked:
| qcat79 wrote: |
| how are you doing with the money saving so far? |
I didn't answer. I've been avoiding the topic.
The fact is I have no savings and a maxed out credit card. At the end of August I'll pay off what I owe (2Mill). I'll have 1 mill savings by the end of September.
I have been surprised at how expensive it is to eat the healthy foods I've chosen. Every three days I spend between 50,000-100,000 won at E-Mart and HomePlus. I know I could save some money if I buy what I can at the 5-day farmers' market and the local "Mart". But I also like buying "organic" and pay 5000 won for ten eggs, almost as much for a bag of juicy and clean onions, etc. I think I could save 100,000 won a month easily with smarter decisions without sacrificing the good food habits I'm developing. 800,000 won a month for food seems to be a reasonable budget I might be able to meet.
I've been so focused on nutrition and weight loss and making wise deicsions in those regards that cost has not factored into it. If I spend a million on ingredients then so be it, has been my attitude. I have thrown out a lot of veggies when they start to go limp or discolored when I actually could do the age old tactic of turning them into a soup.
More importantly, I gotta cut out major purchases. I bought a bicycle for exercising, ordered a box of new books about cooking veggie soups, stirfries, low carb dishes and about small scale apartment gardening to grow some produce myself, bought a dozen DVDs when I've plenty of movies yet to watch, lots of little things for around the apartment I could do without. I should have at least 1 Mill in savings now if I had been diligent about things.
My car insurance and car repairs put me back near a million, but that's the cost of having my beloved jeep.
For me to reach my financial goal:
Sept 1 M
Oct 1 M
Nov 1 M
Dec 1 M + Bonus 2 M
Jan 1 M
Feb 1 M
Mar 1 M
Apr 1 M
There is no wiggle room. I have to not take a trip when I re-sign for another year, saving most of the bonus end of contract pay. I have to avoid all major purchases. I need to shift into survival mode mentally with respect to finances. Dang! |
You said it man. At least you recognize your biggest problem. You're not being smart with your money. Cut back on the organic. If this were the US, I'd say it was worth it. But in Korea, not a lot of veg is over produced in the first place. You maybe paying for the "organic" label when the cheaper stuff may be just as good. Simplify your meal choices. It's super easy to just throw a bunch of different veg in your rice cooker. You don't need to get super creative with your meals. Easy means cheap.
Park the jeep man. You live in Seoul, there is no need for private transportation. You'd be surprised how much you'll save on gas. I spend maybe 50 bucks a month taking the bus and subway. Throw in an occasional taxi and you still pay more in week's worth of gas than I do on transportation all month.
Don't blow money on DVD's. Nearly everything can be found online streaming these days. I haven't bought a DVD in years and I can see any movie that comes out. I may have to wait a few months, but seriously, is any movie worth having right away?
As soon as you get paid, pay your bills, and them immediately put something back in savings. With whats left over, give yourself a daily budget till you get paid again. Forcing you to stay inside the 20 or 30 bucks a day will limit impulse buys and things that eat up your funds fast.
Don't be afraid to eat one meal out a day. Korean food and Chinese food is cheap. Are they the healthiest thing around? No. But you can't eat perfectly. If you're working out like you should be, then one meal a day with a little fried rice or some cooking oil isn't going to hurt. Sure, it'd be awesome if we all lived on The Biggest Loser ranch where we just worked out all day and had chefs prepare us delicious healthy foods - but that's just not reality. You have to cut corners every now and then. |
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: In my Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:33 am Post subject: |
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| weso1 wrote: |
| ...Cut back on the organic. If this were the US, I'd say it was worth it. But in Korea, not a lot of veg is over produced in the first place. You maybe paying for the "organic" label when the cheaper stuff may be just as good. |
You may be right. I think I'll rely mor eon the cheaper farmer's 55-day markets for produce, escept for onions. The organic onions are cleaner and juicier: taste better too!
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| Simplify your meal choices. It's super easy to just throw a bunch of different veg in your rice cooker. You don't need to get super creative with your meals. Easy means cheap. |
I don't have a rice cooker and I didn't know one can cook veggies without rice in one of them! I make soups and salads and raw snacks, not to mention Hungarian stews I grew up with minus the starchy potatoes or pasta or dumpling or bread accompaniment.
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| Park the jeep man. You live in Seoul, there is no need for private transportation. |
I have lived in South Korea since '02 and never within four hours of that concrete jungle! I'm a Geoje Island, southern coast, now Jeju Island kind of guy. My jeep allows me to be minutes away from
this (Hyopjae!): http://tong.visitkorea.or.kr/cms/resource/73/218873_image2_1.jpg
and this (Jungmun!): http://www.jejuweekly.com/news/photo/200907/175_204_022.jpg
and this (Gimnyeon!): http://1220hslgcleisurejeju.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/gimnyeong-1024x5181.jpg
| weso1 wrote: |
| Don't blow money on DVD's. Nearly everything can be found online streaming these days. I haven't bought a DVD in years and I can see any movie that comes out. I may have to wait a few months, but seriously, is any movie worth having right away? |
You're right.
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| As soon as you get paid, pay your bills, and them immediately put something back in savings. |
Good idea.
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| Don't be afraid to eat one meal out a day. Korean food and Chinese food is cheap. Are they the healthiest thing around? No. But you can't eat perfectly. |
I am eating perfectly healthy foods, at least as far as I think I am. Absolutely no noodles, rice, bread or potatoes. All the nutrition those could provide are better provided by vegetables, nuts and other natural whole foods. The only fried foods whatsoever I consume is a little extra virgin olive oil on low heat stirfry and that is good healthy eating. I WILL NOT BY ANY MEANS SACRIFICE WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE HEALTHY EATING FOR MERE COST SAVINGS.
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| ... Sure, it'd be awesome if we all lived on The Biggest Loser ranch where we just worked out all day and had chefs prepare us delicious healthy foods - but that's just not reality. You have to cut corners every now and then. |
I don't cut corners. My university major was ETHICS. I was a newspaper journalist for years, am loyal to my ideals, really cannot fathon the concept of a 'cheat day' in dieting. I am developing a new way of living, a healthier lifestyle, and that includes simple rules to follow (I'm not one of those failed-at-multiple-diet types; I've never actually tried to eat to live rather than live to eat). The only exceptions to the rule come with long distance travel, like when I go to Italy you better believe I'll eat pasta! Or when I eat new year's morning soup at my Korean friend's house you bet I'll consume the dukguk gladly. I have no akrasia, failure of the will, in terms of food. I simply have lived my life under a Mark Twain anything-goes comsumption pattern and have recently decided to shift food habits into the moral realm: eat what I believe to be healthy instead of whatever I want and letting it fight it out inside. (Now, if only I could commit myself to the same thoughts regarding exercise, but research on marathoners and weightlifters suggest they don't live any longer or have any higher quality of life than walkers and stretchers!)
And. oh, to the two posters who in recent days (after I had already lost 50+ pounds in the first 11 weeks) voted "Forget it. Most fail. Fat chance." I hope you eat humble pie because while time may be my enemy, willpower isn't. I will accomplish my goals. Once I set my mind to it, I do it. The big quandry of my life is choosing what to commit myself to. THAT is the hardest part, deciding on what to commit to, not following through with it. I once satyed up 129 hours because I had four term papers to write and was determined not to sleep until they were completed. From Sunday morning to Thursday afternoon I got them done, and slept 24+ hours straight after that (though my dad said I got up three times to go to the bathroom, I have no recollection of that). Endurance is never my problem. I can drink anyone under the table without going to the bathroom once, except for those dang times I passed out! Korean sticktoitness I identify with, especially that woman who failed her drivers test hundreds of times but kept at it and finally passed. You go girl! er, ajumma! |
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: In my Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| Zyzyfer wrote: |
| Throw the ginger in that morning fry-up you do, see how that goes? |
I hear wonders about ginger in terms of digestion and metabolism booster. I guess I should try it in my stirfy veggies and eggs in the morning. I'll give it a go, see what I think.
Regarding any other suggestions about how to consume ginger, I'm all ears! |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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I do simple dinner stir-fries and throw in a small handful of sliced/mashed ginger. It's absolutely awesome in a stir-fry if you like the taste of ginger. I'm still new to this whole using ginger thing, so I'd be interested in more ideas as well.
On a related note, since you're talking about costs, I noticed that I can do a simple stir-fry that makes 4 decent servings (especially for a light dinner) and the cost is around 12-15K won. So I'm wondering how you can manage to drop a cool million. One obvious reason I can see is vegetable choices. Definitely drop organic if you intend to save money.
I'm still baffled at how you're dropping a million won a month on food though. My best guess is that you still eat meals that, while relatively small to you, still sound big. Based on how you described that morning fry-up as a giant mound of (healthy) food, I could see it as a possibility. Nuts are expensive but yes, oh so healthy. And you can't really eat more than a handful in one sitting since they fill you up. You eat a small portion of meat per day as well, so it's not that. Thus, I suspect it's due to eating a high volume of veggies.
Drop organic, perhaps drop the fancier veggies (like red/yellow bell peppers) if it doesn't affect vitamin intake.
*dreams of the nightly steak feasts on a million won monthly food budget*
Mmmmm............steeeeeeaaaaaaaaaak............ |
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: In my Kingdom
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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END OF WEEK 16 UPDATE: 115.8 kg weight and 119 cm waist
I lost 2.8 kg (over 6.1 pounds) this week! Do the funky chicken! I haven't lost that much since week 11 (the week before my vacation, back in mid-July). What was different about the past week? Well, I started this last week off by rollerblading for the first time ever, aching my calves. Then the next day I took out of storage the pair of dumbells I've had for years but rarely used and did a bunch of weightlifting for the first time this year. Owwww. I spent the next two days in pain, discomfort and bad sleep. Really, I suffered too much. You see, I didd too much too soon and the muscles of my shoulders, upper back and neck tightened up and ached so much that it felt like I had whiplash. I had a hard time sleeping. It hurt so much to lay down that I cried a couple of times. I couldn't turn my head when teaching. It was awful. By Thursday the pain was down to a dull throb and Friday, thankfully I had decent mobility and had a cooking class I made for my students, hauling half my kitchen over to the academy to cook for them (veggie egg stirfry, fried salmon, salad). Just carrying the six heavy bags full of utensils and ingredients back and forth was further weightlifting, though this time without the post-workout agony.
So, that was what was different this week. My muscles got a workout, from lower body skating to upper body free weights to total body load carrying. The only other difference was that I did NOT do my long walks. I actually did very little aerobic activity, which on principle I regret because of the known heart benefits of walking a lot.
Here I am, having eaten the same foods all week that I've been eating for the past 16 weeks (no fresh spinach this week though, and less celery than usual). I still eat every day meat, eggs, cheese, yogurt, nuts (oh, I added to the almonds and cashews: a half-handful of sunflower seeds a day, starting about two weeks ago), olive oil, lemons squeezed and lots and lots of vegetables. I really eat a lot of food. My breakfast is a mound on my plate. The ziploc foods I prepare I have to chastize myself to make sure to eat. The last time I skipped a few meals I plateau'd. This of course makes sense because my body probably went into starvation mode that week. Not this week. The weeks I lose the most week are also the weeks I eat regualrly every two or three hours, six minimeals a day. And in every minimeal I have a protein & lipid source with a bunch of veggies. I do that because of scientific research showing one's metabolism is improved with continual eating patterns. (The three square meal approach of the industrial age isn't ideal as it spikes hormones, something diabetics know too well with insulin). Anyways,... the point here is: I ate a lot this past week, as in past weeks of my yearlong project. No carbs other than in veggies and yogurt. |
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: In my Kingdom
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Zyzyfer wrote: |
| I do simple dinner stir-fries and throw in a small handful of sliced/mashed ginger. It's absolutely awesome in a stir-fry if you like the taste of ginger. |
I tried it twice in my breakfast stirfry this week. I wasn't impressed. It was okay, but it was intruding on perfection, my morning spicy veggie egg stirfry just wasn't the same. I think I'll have to experiment with ginger in other stirfries, like when I have an evening stirfry of onions, garlic, and mushrooms aside fried salmon. That might be a time to dash in some ginger. I don't mind the taste, I just have to find the right combination of it and other tastes. Maybe googling ginger recipes might help. |
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: In my Kingdom
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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END OF WEEK 17 UPDATE: 115.5 kg weight and 121 cm waist
I lost only 0.3 kg (just over half a pound) this week, basically a plateau. My waist size went up by two centimeters, as I feel a bit bloated today. What had I been doing differently this week? Well, a lot less leafy green veggies for strters: no spinach or kale (didn't find fresh enough) and less than usual swiss chard. With all the nutrients and metabolism-boosting elements of these super foods this absence alone might be significant. A lot less broccoli and celery just because I neglected to pack them as snacks some days. Less green onion because of the hassle of cleaning them and I was pretty busy this week. All other veggies I usually eat I ate about the same: onions, garlic, all kinds of peppers, cauliflower, red cabbage, asparagus, mushrooms. I also didn't put eggs in my breakfast stirfry twice in the week, opting to experiment taking them as boiled to work. Everything else was the same: yogurt, cheese, milk, meat, nuts, basically the protein and lipid sources remained the same but the veggie consumption had been cut almost in half. That probably stalled my metabolic rate. Dang! My usually 75% veggie ratio was down to less than half. I gotta get back to eating all those vegetables, despite the chore it is to prep and actually eat them all. (I know, I know, I could juice, but I ain't juicing as long as my original plan for this year progresses, which it has, most of the time).
The weather is forecasted to be sunny, for the first time in over a week, and it's supposed to remain sunny here on Jeju throughout the coming week. Boy do I plan to get my vitamin D, tan and sweat! My lemon consumption ought to double this week with them squeezed fresh into ice cubed water.
I was really hoping to hit 114.9/115.0 kg mark this week to declare myself 2/3s of the way toward the one-year goal in under 1/3 of the time: having lost 30 kg of planned 45 kg in under 4 months of the 12-month project. But I didn't quite make it. Missed it by a friggin' half a kilogram. Unless... if I lose 0.5 kg by Wednesday (August 31st) I could do a special mid-week weigh in because May, June, July, August is one-third of the way through the year. That wouldn't be cheating, in fact, it would be elegant in the mathematical sense: a 1/3 of the year progress report! I'll do it. Man, this idea makes me feel better. |
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: In my Kingdom
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| BTW, on the financial savings front. I volunteered to teach a couple of extra classes once a week at the hagwon and the overtime pay ought to bring in another 1-2 million over the year to help me get back on track financially. I'm still tight financially but at least on paper I could reach my financial goal as well as my health goals by my next birthday. |
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Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: Land of Morning Clam
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Louis VI wrote: |
I have been surprised at how expensive it is to eat the healthy foods I've chosen. Every three days I spend between 50,000-100,000 won at E-Mart and HomePlus. |
Holy Jeebus. I always buy fresh food from the local mart just because it's so much cheaper and the quality is as good. Some marts suck but with a car you can easily take a look around and find the best mart in your area.
As others have said, organic food in Korea is unregulated and organic written on a package means nothing. |
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T-J

Joined: 10 Oct 2008 Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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I have to admit I have never viewed this thread until now.
Wow!
Big pat on the back for the OP. Good to hear you taking control of your situation and I'm glad for you that you're progressing so well toward your goal.
Good luck in the future as you continue to work toward the finish line.
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: In my Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:09 am Post subject: |
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END OF WEEK 18 UPDATE: 115.0 kg weight and 118 cm waist
I lost 0.5 kg (1.1 pounds) this week and three centimeters on my waist. I feel slimmer for the first time in over two weeks. I feel like in the last few days the plateau has been busted, probably due to my increased time out in the sunshine, getting vitamin D at the beach. I swear when I suntan the scale starts to move. I haven't been consistent in measuring it, and the scale has moved a lot over the four months I've been checking it (I look every morning, record it only once a week though).
| Louis VI wrote: |
I was really hoping to hit 114.9/115.0 kg mark this week to declare myself 2/3s of the way toward the one-year goal in under 1/3 of the time: having lost 30 kg of planned 45 kg in under 4 months of the 12-month project. But I didn't quite make it. Missed it by a friggin' half a kilogram. Unless... if I lose 0.5 kg by Wednesday (August 31st) I could do a special mid-week weigh in because May, June, July, August is one-third of the way through the year. That wouldn't be cheating, in fact, it would be elegant in the mathematical sense: a 1/3 of the year progress report! I'll do it. Man, this idea makes me feel better. |
Well, I didn't make it last week. But as of Monday, Sept. 5th I hit the 115.0 kg mark. Exactly. No kidding. I weighed myself three times to be sure, leaning forward on the scale even, trying to max out the weight measured because to hit the number exactly seemed too apt to be real. But there it was: 115.0 kg, exactly 30 kg lost since May 1st, with 15 kg to go by my next birthday. It would be great to hit it by the end of the calendar year but the rate of weight loss has slowed down, and I don't want to set myself up for disappointment. I set a realistic albeit large goal for myself and I'm working toward achieving it. Being ahead of the game allows me to not be so irked by the slower pace these days. Slow, but sure. |
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