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Change of EPIK policy?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamesd wrote:
If it wasn't for the Tea Rebellion, the U.S. would be another one of those Queen serving British Commonwealth. I guess Brit's are kicking themselves now, eh?


But they'd still be English speaking ... just another small part in the great globalization of the Queen's English (going all the way back to Elizabeth the First.

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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This newspaper article seems to show a trend for hakwons.

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2938923

Prob not a deliberate policy with EPIK. I assume Canadians are also included under this American umbrella.
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rickpidero



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:54 pm    Post subject: . Reply with quote

Instead of this ridiculous USA vs UK thing, how about an actual answers. My guess, the national criminal background check takes a very long time to get, Americans maybe aren't foreseeing this and simply can't get their docs in on time. Blame bureaucracy of Uncle Sam.
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Chris.Quigley



Joined: 20 Apr 2009
Location: Belfast. N Ireland

PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:40 pm    Post subject: Re: . Reply with quote

rickpidero wrote:
Instead of this ridiculous USA vs UK thing, how about an actual answers. My guess, the national criminal background check takes a very long time to get, Americans maybe aren't foreseeing this and simply can't get their docs in on time. Blame bureaucracy of Uncle Sam.


Ttompatz already covered that. Yes, you are right.

English was already well on its way to becoming the global language of business with or without the USA. At the height of the British Empire, 1/3 of the world's population was learning English. Today there are more people who speak English directly as a result of British influence (think India, Canada, Australia, South Africa, Singapore, Hongkong) than there are from American influence.

The United States simply added weight to an already tilted playing field.

Would learning English be as important as it is today without the USA? Probably not.

If you really think about it... The USA owes the fact that it speaks English to the English! We're all on the same team anyway, so who cares?

England, where its always 1775. The USA, where its always going to be 2007.
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rainism



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:08 am    Post subject: Re: . Reply with quote

Chris.Quigley wrote:
rickpidero wrote:
Instead of this ridiculous USA vs UK thing, how about an actual answers. My guess, the national criminal background check takes a very long time to get, Americans maybe aren't foreseeing this and simply can't get their docs in on time. Blame bureaucracy of Uncle Sam.


Ttompatz already covered that. Yes, you are right.

English was already well on its way to becoming the global language of business with or without the USA. At the height of the British Empire, 1/3 of the world's population was learning English. Today there are more people who speak English directly as a result of British influence (think India, Canada, Australia, South Africa, Singapore, Hongkong) than there are from American influence.

The United States simply added weight to an already tilted playing field.

Would learning English be as important as it is today without the USA? Probably not.

If you really think about it... The USA owes the fact that it speaks English to the English! We're all on the same team anyway, so who cares?

England, where its always 1775. The USA, where its always going to be 2007.


No. Sorry. That's merely because you're counting India, an ex British colony.

Without Americans, not a single person south of the Rio Grande would ever bother to learn English. Not any south of the Panama Canal. None. in Central and South America.

Very few if any in continental Europe. French and to a lesser extent, German, would have remained the dominant 2nd languages on the European continent with Russian being dominant in the eastern parts.

Very few in Asia outside of British ex colonies of India, Hong Kong and Singapore/Malaysia. The Chinese are learning English now because of the Americans. As are the Vietnamese, as are the Indonesians, as are the Japanese.

perhaps if the British Empire didn't fall after WW2, the story would've been different. but even then I don't think so.

People don't learn English because it's a "nice language", they learn it for practical reasons. Global companies are mostly American.

What's been the great British contribution to anything of interest to the world after the Magna Carta, and especially modern times?

all the movies the world watches come from America.
the jeans they wear and crave come from America.
the burgers they eat (for better/worse) come from America.
the Internet and computers they have come from America.

just what is it that would have caused the English to popularize their language and culture outside their own barren island and their colonies?

fish and chips?
an indifference to orthodontics?
soccer hooliganism?


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itistime



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

like, whoa!!!!

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decafdave



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two main drivers of the spread of English are the internet itself and higher academia. I'd argue the internet is the biggest force currently.

What language dominates the world of scientific and academic journals? Most languages are net consumers of info...more research is translated from English to those languages than vice versa.

For both of these aspects, the US is miles ahead of the UK. That said, the current status quo doesn't exist in a vacuum.

The Brits laid the foundation and filled the seats (hundreds of millions of people who speak some degree of English in the world today). Those who can get past the nationalistic bullshit realize it's been a 1-2 punch by the British Empire and the USA that have made English the dominant language.

While the South Asians are learning British English due to their colonial legacy, most East Asians learn North American English because of their economic reality.
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radcon



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Change of EPIK policy? Reply with quote

swinewho wrote:
There seems to be a much larger percentage of brits and non American people in this year�s bunch of EPIK.

Maybe the people at EPIK have finally realised just how shoddy the yanks are!
Very Happy


EPIK and teaching in Korea in general is shoddy. It's not a great life. So yes this is where America sends its shoddy people. So its begs the question "Why again are you in the EPIK program, Mr. English gentleman?"
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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing shoddy about being here. I have met some Americans who came here for a year when they normally wouldn't because of the 2009 recession. From what, I can tell, these people who go on to good jobs usually have rich families and can afford going to good universities. Their family can afford to pay for them to go live in a big city until they get established. The average joe who lives in nowhere's ville in an isolated rural area usually comes from modest means. The average joe can't afford to go to harvard and might graduate university with thousands of debt. They can't afford to move to New York to look for a job. You usually would start at the bottom and make low money and work your way up. After some promotions, you would make decent money. But in the meantime, rents are through the roof and moving out is not easy. Most people I know in Canada who left my small town to move to Toronto to do this after uni had some initial support from their parents. Guess what makes Korea easy is free flights and apartments. You can save and pay debts, but it's not as good as it use to be because of poor exchange rates. So 2 or 3 years translates into 5 or 6 years now. You also have to have money saved to start a life back home. Maybe move to one of these big cities to try to find a job starting at the bottom with a big company. Use your saved money to pay those outrageous rents and hope you get a raise or promotion before running out of cash.
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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also I should add some of these people I met had family connections or connections made at a top university that got them good jobs above just entry level jobs. It's who you know and what you know. In spite of those douchbag koreans who think they're better than us poor English teachers, most of them are in debt or working hours at a job they hate to pay ridiculous inflated prices for real estate. Then they lose their job at 45. We make a middle class salary and usually do better than many. Housing and salary with some experience can easily equal 3 million a month. If you live outside of Metro Seoul in the rest of the country, it's a decent salary. Better than many. Most us live marginally better than korean minimum wage earners because of sending so much money home to pay debts.
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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But after debts are payed and then some cash saved up, maybe 20 thousand bucks, you can start your life in the west or here in Korea.
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Change of EPIK policy? Reply with quote

radcon wrote:
swinewho wrote:
There seems to be a much larger percentage of brits and non American people in this year�s bunch of EPIK.

Maybe the people at EPIK have finally realised just how shoddy the yanks are!
Very Happy


EPIK and teaching in Korea in general is shoddy. It's not a great life. So yes this is where America sends its shoddy people. So its begs the question "Why again are you in the EPIK program, Mr. English gentleman?"


So apparently, if our family names aren't BUFFET, SOROS, BLOOMBERG, we're all shoddy losers. Through no fault of our own not having a silver spoon born in our mouth.
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