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visitorq
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 Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
I'm rather anxiously awaiting your libertarian defense of dictatorship.
Go for it, boy. (I'm pretty patient, so I can wait.) |
You're waiting for me to defend dictatorship? That'll be the day... Anyway, why don't you try holding your breath  |
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Butterfly
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
I'm rather anxiously awaiting your libertarian defense of dictatorship.
Go for it, boy. (I'm pretty patient, so I can wait.) |
You're waiting for me to defend dictatorship? That'll be the day... : |
By and large, this is what you have been doing throughout this thread in between insulting people. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Butterfly wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
I'm rather anxiously awaiting your libertarian defense of dictatorship.
Go for it, boy. (I'm pretty patient, so I can wait.) |
You're waiting for me to defend dictatorship? That'll be the day... : |
By and large, this is what you have been doing throughout this thread in between insulting people. |
Pu-lease. So I'm either with NATO (and the Al Qaeda they sent into Libya) or with the dictator? You sound like George Bush  |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Rebels: Gaddafi has fled to Zimbabwe
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45792
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| President Mugabe's political opponents claim their spies saw Gaddafi arrive in the country on a Zimbabwe Air Force jet in the early hours of Wednesday morning. |
I wonder if this is true. @@ |
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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But, but...visitorQ said Gadaffi was winning!!!??
I'm so confused.
Oh, wait, now I remember... VQ is full of it. Best to always keep that in mind when reading his posts.
As for Gadaffi, I figured he'd appeal to some of his old friends in Africa. No surprise there. Just was curious if he'd make it out alive or not. |
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stilicho25
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:11 am Post subject: |
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Yes visitor Q was wrong about col. Q winning. This was still a bad idea, motivated at least in part by oil, and its chances of success are unknown. The same things people screamed about Iraq. Only this time, because their on political tribe initiated the conflict, they are bound to support it.
To tell the truth, Even if this works, and Libya ends up with a Norwegian like representative democracy, I still think its wrong to kill large numbers of people to enforce our ideas on political governance on another country. The only time lethal violence on a large scale is morally justified is in self defence.
Not to mention the lack of congressional approval. This was yet another bad precedent on the way to unsustainable empire. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| VQ is full of it. Best to always keep that in mind when reading his posts. |
Says the most worthless poster ever to bother showing up on Dave's. You could stop posting from today and nobody would notice you were gone, or care in the slightest.
You're worse than wrong: you're boring and you have no insight into anything, ever. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| stilicho25 wrote: |
Yes visitor Q was wrong about col. Q winning. This was still a bad idea, motivated at least in part by oil, and its chances of success are unknown. The same things people screamed about Iraq. Only this time, because their on political tribe initiated the conflict, they are bound to support it.
To tell the truth, Even if this works, and Libya ends up with a Norwegian like representative democracy, I still think its wrong to kill large numbers of people to enforce our ideas on political governance on another country. The only time lethal violence on a large scale is morally justified is in self defence.
Not to mention the lack of congressional approval. This was yet another bad precedent on the way to unsustainable empire. |
You mean it was wrong for NATO to blow up innocent people to cover the Al Qaeda forces they sent in (calling it a 'popular uprising')?... You're not happy that extremists who will fill the power vacuum (assuming Gaddafi is even captured and doesn't turn the war around) will probably fight amongst themselves? Or that they may invite NATO in to guard the oil while they terrorize the population and institute sharia law?
What's not to love about any of this? |
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Butterfly
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stilicho25
Joined: 05 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Absolutely appalling. Col Q was certainly a monster, but us traveling the world over dropping bombs on anyone who does this is not a viable option. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Possibly somewhere in the region of 50,000 people are missing in Tripoli.
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Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC) estimates that between 57,000 and 60,000 men were arrested by Col Gadaffi's regime in the past six months. Around 10,000 have been freed.
The rebels are now asking, with increasing concern, where are the others?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14705519 |
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
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There have been massacres by both sides.
TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) � The streets where rebel fighters bombarded snipers loyal to Moammar Gadhafi were strewn with bullet-ridden corpses from both sides Thursday. Streams of blood ran down the gutters and turned sewers red.
By sundown the rebels appeared to have won the battle for the Abu Salim neighborhood, next to Gadhafi's captured Tripoli compound [...] Outside his Bab al-Aziziya compound, which rebels captured Tuesday, there was another grim scene � one that suggested mass, execution-style killings of civilians.
About two dozen bodies � some with their hands bound by plastic ties and with bullet wounds to the head � lay scattered on grassy lots in an area where Gadhafi sympathizers had camped out for months.
The identities of the dead were unclear, but they were in all likelihood activists who had set up an impromptu tent city in solidarity with Gadhafi in defiance of the NATO bombing campaign.
Five or six bodies were in a tent erected on a roundabout that had served as a field clinic. One of the dead still had an IV in his arm, and another body was completely charred, its legs missing. The body of a doctor, in his green hospital gown, was found dumped in the canal.
And guess who the leader of the rebels in Tripoli is?
Pepe Escobar: Al-Qaeda asset leading rebels in Tripoli |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| ^Excellent, some nice objective sources, some blog and RT. Well done. |
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stilicho25
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Butterfly wrote: |
| ^Excellent, some nice objective sources, some blog and RT. Well done. |
Oh, I forgot. Any source that does not agree with you is not credible.
Didn't actually read it, did you, and just decided to attack the messenger? Their source was AP, The Associated Press!
Nothing wrong with RT. They compare favorably with NY Times, CNN, ABC, Fox, etc. |
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