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seoulsurvivor8



Joined: 25 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:17 pm    Post subject: Sexual Orientation & Jobs in Seoul Reply with quote

Hi everyone! (First post! Hopefully in the right forum.)

So I've been looking at teaching English in Korea for a couple weeks now and I'm still in the beginning phases of the process (researching, contacting recruiters, researching, applying to individual schools, researching, researching, etc).

A big concern for me is as follows:

I see that most applicants to jobs have their hearts set on Seoul. I also see that, for me personally, I have had a difficult time socially and even psychologically when living in foreign places that are as conservative as (or maybe more than) Korea due to sexual orientation. Because of that I have learned that it is better for me to be in places where I have the opportunity to network with other GLBT individuals as a social outlet (I'm not political or vocal about the issue, I just mean in terms of socialization). This translates to Seoul being a good location for me (as far as I know).

How should I handle the application process with this in mind? I understand that there is nothing a recruiter can do in terms of where jobs are open, however, should I consider mentioning my personal reason for wanting to be specifically in Seoul?

Finally, does anyone know if given my situation there are other cities near or around Seoul where I could live/work but still have decent access to what Seoul offers in terms of touching base with other GLBTQ individuals?

Any thoughts much appreciated. Thanks Very Happy
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jrwhite82



Joined: 22 May 2010

PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you mention that you are GLBT you will most likely not get a job here. You may get lucky but you will severely hamstring yourself in the application process.

No offense, but I wouldn't hire someone who told me they were gay during the interview process either. Because, what the hell, it's none of anyone's business and you would be weirding me out by telling me that without me even knowing you. But many Hagwons will be doing it for homophobic reasons.

Quite frankly, your sexual orientation isn't your bosses business, so don't tell him. It isn't the recruiters business so don't tell him. It isn't anyone you work with's business, so don't tell them. And most of all, it isn't your student's business, so never tell them.

If your coworkers/students ask you why you don't have a girlfriend/wife, just tell them you haven't met the right person yet. Don't force the issue on them, they are not prepared for the truth. (That gay people exist and they might interact with them without even knowing it!!!) You are not in Kansas anymore.

Requesting Seoul as a must have city is common enough that recruiters won't even bat an eye. So don't worry about it. It will just take you longer to find a job, that's all.


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tator



Joined: 26 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't say anything. Your sexual orientation has nothing to do with teaching and it's none of their damn business anyways. I don't know how open the Korean culture is, but divulging that information will most likely only hurt you.
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seoulsurvivor8



Joined: 25 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrwhite82 wrote:

You are not in Kansas anymore.


Rolling Eyes ... I have lived in countries where I could be theoretically jailed for telling the wrong person I'm gay so I am well aware of how to handle interactions with foreign locals, I just wasn't sure how that issue should interact with recruiters so I'm glad you answered that.
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jrwhite82



Joined: 22 May 2010

PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seoulsurvivor8 wrote:
foreign locals


Is that even possible? Very Happy

I think you just mean locals.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't say anything about your orientation.

Look for jobs in the satellite cities (suwon, seongnam, etc).
This will give you the convenience of Seoul without the difficulty of competing for jobs in Seoul.

Most of the time, in the satellites, you are less than an hour from the night spots of the city and often closer (in terms of travel time) than someone living across town IN Seoul.

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seoulsurvivor8



Joined: 25 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrwhite82 wrote:
seoulsurvivor8 wrote:
foreign locals


Is that even possible? Very Happy

I think you just mean locals.


To me they're foreign!! Laughing
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Ribena



Joined: 07 Apr 2011
Location: UK

PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Sexual Orientation & Jobs in Seoul Reply with quote

seoulsurvivor8 wrote:
Hi everyone! (First post! Hopefully in the right forum.)

So I've been looking at teaching English in Korea for a couple weeks now and I'm still in the beginning phases of the process (researching, contacting recruiters, researching, applying to individual schools, researching, researching, etc).

A big concern for me is as follows:

I see that most applicants to jobs have their hearts set on Seoul. I also see that, for me personally, I have had a difficult time socially and even psychologically when living in foreign places that are as conservative as (or maybe more than) Korea due to sexual orientation. Because of that I have learned that it is better for me to be in places where I have the opportunity to network with other GLBT individuals as a social outlet (I'm not political or vocal about the issue, I just mean in terms of socialization). This translates to Seoul being a good location for me (as far as I know).

How should I handle the application process with this in mind? I understand that there is nothing a recruiter can do in terms of where jobs are open, however, should I consider mentioning my personal reason for wanting to be specifically in Seoul?

Finally, does anyone know if given my situation there are other cities near or around Seoul where I could live/work but still have decent access to what Seoul offers in terms of touching base with other GLBTQ individuals?

Any thoughts much appreciated. Thanks Very Happy


I think other larger cities have gay "communities", and as far as I've heard there are gay teachers in cities all over Korea so maybe Seoul isn't necessary. That said I'm a bit paranoid and I would be worried about telling anyone non-Western.

I think google is your friend and you will probably find groups across Korea for LGBT ex-pats, I know I found a little bit of information. I'm sure there would be some stuff on facebook etc. Although don't join any such groups with the same account as you give colleagues. We had a lecture in Social Networking Paranoia when I started teacher training in the UK. Mind you I'm not sure what level of gay "community" you require. A few friends or buzzing Soho-esque nightlife?
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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:24 am    Post subject: Re: Sexual Orientation & Jobs in Seoul Reply with quote

seoulsurvivor8 wrote:
This translates to Seoul being a good location for me (as far as I know).


You might contact poster Tigerstyleone in this regard. (as soon as you have 25 posts to pm)

Find him in good mood down south on his dinghy, fiddling with his wifi.
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tideout



Joined: 12 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
Don't say anything about your orientation.

Look for jobs in the satellite cities (suwon, seongnam, etc).
This will give you the convenience of Seoul without the difficulty of competing for jobs in Seoul.

Most of the time, in the satellites, you are less than an hour from the night spots of the city and often closer (in terms of travel time) than someone living across town IN Seoul.

.


All this is true, and there are plenty of GLBT English teachers outside of Seoul, too.
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Ribena



Joined: 07 Apr 2011
Location: UK

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tideout wrote:
It's obvious in the large orientation I went to a year ago (if not from direct conversations) that there are quite a few gay men teaching English in Seoul. You could certainly find, over time, other gay people here and as others have mentioned that may very well be the case in outlying cities.

Some Korean teachers are wierded out enough over my being a single straight guy who's over 30. According to one of my Gyopo friends - Korea's not a good place for being gay in general. Principals would never admit it but he's heard they'll work on getting you out of the school/hagwon if at all possible. I would assume there's a fair level of homophobia here and the other poster's are quite correct in advising you to never, never divulge being gay to co-workers etc...

Best wishes.


Most gay people are very used to keeping their sexuality a secret to certain people. Most will have had alot of practice in keeping things quiet, for alot it hardly even comes up at all when they are around straight people. Its more a question if you should keep is a secret from everyone or just certain people in Korea. Do you any Koreans about your sexuality. I would assume a fellow gay westerner would be a safe bet as they would understand your position but anyone else seems like a risk.
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tideout



Joined: 12 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's obvious

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seoulsurvivor8



Joined: 25 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:59 am    Post subject: Re: Sexual Orientation & Jobs in Seoul Reply with quote

Ribena wrote:
Mind you I'm not sure what level of gay "community" you require. A few friends or buzzing Soho-esque nightlife?


Maybe less than a happy medium. A couple gay friends here and there but I do enjoy gay nightlife every once in a while. The reason I initially only considered Seoul is because the countries I have lived in the past, you either go to 'underground' temporary gay venues for nightlife in the capital/largest city...or you don't participate at all and remain completely closeted.

I'm slowly beginning to think maybe this is not the case for South Korea.
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TellyRules986



Joined: 09 Nov 2009
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea's definitely a conservative country, and it's not wise to come out during the application/interview process, or while you're on the job. As long as you keep it hidden, you'll be fine. Having said that, Koreans can be a little clueless. For example, if a Korean male lived with another male in a 1 BR apt with only one bed, his family still wouldn't get it. (At least that's what I've been told-- I haven't experienced it...)

As far as living in Korea is concerned, there is plenty of gay people, males and females. There's also a decent club and bar scene here. I'm a bisexual female and I brought my ex gf to my school quite often and it wasn't an issue as long as no one knew our real relationship.
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