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DIsbell
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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 Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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Disbell, I find it interesting that in defending hipsters from being judgmental you've decided to name call and insult people. Yes, everyone who has a problem with pretentiousness is a fat internet blogger or a frat boy. And you wonder why people call hipsters snobs.
I also find it interesting that you name all sorts of types of people under the umbrella of 'hipster'. I think we might be talking about two different things. Just because you go to a basement show or wear vintage clothes doesn't make you a hipster. In my hometown I've organized lots of shows in the backroom of record shops and the Salvation Army clothes me out of work (out of necessity). But I don't go around pretending I'm the first person who has done these things, I don't scoff at people for liking different music as I do and I don't co-opt and misrepresent the word 'irony'. Trust me, I don't sit around and think about hipsters all day. I'm bored at work and saw this thread so I thought I'd add my two cents. But go to the Plateau and Mile End areas in Montreal, neighbourhoods that used to be rich in culture and working class dedication and tell me these kids who have driven up the rent, forced old businesses out and superficial ones in and who walk around like everyone owes them something for it don't get on your nerves. It's funny how you protest that there isn't uniformity among hipsters. It's all a uniform, a preconceived notion, just like every other subculture that has been co-opted. The fact that you and other hipsters think they're so different is what is so hilarious. Yeah, I've never seen thick glass frames and a bowtie before. At least most other subcultures embrace their common identity instead of pretending no one's every worn flood pants before and they're the cleverest boy who's ever lived. |
Sorry, I'm just running with McInnis' term because it's humorous and I tire of all the regurgitative internet hipster-bashing.
Check what I bolded in your post: hate to break it to you, but somebody has probably thought of you as a hipster at some point. Now, you would protest that you're not a hipster, just as most people who would be considered hipsters by some don't generally use the word hipster to describe themselves.
The stereotype you go into describing in the rest of your post demonstrates how hipster is less of a label for a group of people but rather a pejorative for a kind of person you think is a douchebag. Most people don't think of themsevles as douchebags, so there's why you don't have anyone taking pride in the term (like yourself). Just like McInnis' "chubby blogger." |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| No, I don't think I've ever been thought of as a hipster. My hardcore punk friend organizes shows and uses the Salvation Army as well and no one would describe him as such either. I can listen to disco without saying I'm being ironic. I can hear someone describe their taste in music without scoffing every other second. Also, I have a job. So there's that, too. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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I think I must have been a hipster around the 1987-1994 period........I read very earnest books, scorned the mainstream of my society, wore charity-shop clothes and smoked jazz cigarettes....
But no one called it being a hipster then. It was called being, 'studenty'.
I must add though, that I never did that most annoying thing that the current hipsters are guilty of.......disdaining the music of big-name artists. I've always loved my Beatles and Stones. And the music of the biggest hipster of them all. Dylan........denying yourself the pleasure of great music just because it's commonly liked is the most stupid thing. |
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joelove
Joined: 12 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| Nothing is so commonplace as the wish to be remarkable. Somebody famous wrote that. Most people are more ordinary than they like to believe. And young people know everything, according to young people. I don't understand this urge to be special, but how common it is. |
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DIsbell
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
| No, I don't think I've ever been thought of as a hipster. My hardcore punk friend organizes shows and uses the Salvation Army as well and no one would describe him as such either. I can listen to disco without saying I'm being ironic. I can hear someone describe their taste in music without scoffing every other second. Also, I have a job. So there's that, too. |
Gets his fashion at the Salvation Army and goes to/organizes local shows? That's definitely hipster territory, at least by loose internet standards. Now if someone is visibly punk (liberty spikes, denim jacket with patches or whatevs) of course they'll be identified as that first. You haven't said that about yourself, so I'm pretty sure someone has thought of you as a hipster (unless you're considerably older than myself, you might just out-generation the label, as eamo mentioned). But if by some chance no one has considered you as one, then let me do so now. But I don't mean it pejoratively; I think it's pretty cool that you set up shows at record stores.
And eamo, I don't think it's a widespread thing for those-labeled-as-hipsters (more positively, alternative folks) to scorn names Dylan, the Beatles, and Stones.... especially Dylan. And I think the deeper cuts from the other two are really adored. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Disbell, I really think we're talking about two very different things. You seem to define 'hipster' as any young person who might like music, while most would define them more narrowly than that. Most people, especially those internet bloggers you brought up, would definitely not categorize anyone who admitted to liking the Beatles as a hipster. Musical snobiness and a (public) hatred of anything considered mainstream is one of the defining features of hipsterdom. But at least now I know where you're coming from and I suppose, yes, by your very loose and general definition I would be considered a hipster. As would anyone under 35 who has ever listened to live music. But I personally wouldn't call anyone with a leather jacket a punk, for example. |
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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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In Korea, what would you call a guy like myself in his 40's? A geezer?
Anyway, I thought that, especially in Korea, 'hipster' was all encompassing term.
I find hipsters rather cliquey in Korea. |
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cwflaneur
Joined: 04 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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