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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Your comment has nothing to do with my post, isisaredead. |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:10 am Post subject: |
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| I find it oddly amusing that someone who can't be bothered to use capital letters calls another person an idiot. |
fair enough.
all i'm arguing is that if you break the law in a foreign country while knowingly doing something that is, in fact, against the law, you deserve to be fully punished - no matter how ridiculous you think the law is.
try to rationalise it all you want. you're still BREAKING THE LAW. IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY.
whatever. |
So I just want you to clarify your point with another example:
You see a guy running after a woman with a knife. You tackle him right before he gets to stab his target and he lands on the blade, causing severe injury.
Now, based on the laws of this country (blood money), you DESERVE to pay lots of money to this guy and possibly face jail time?
How about the guy who knows he's to drunk to drive, so he hops in the passenger seat, starts up the car for the heat and the radio. Does he DESERVE to get arrested for drunk driving?
I thought what someone "deserves" was based on the concept of justice, not law (and they are not always the same). |
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isisaredead
Joined: 18 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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are you comparing doing illegal private lessons with stopping someone from getting stabbed?
honestly, man, i think maybe we have our wires crossed, and we simply aren't getting each other. which sucks, but it happens.
on top of that, we've hijacked this thread. let's call it quits. |
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isisaredead
Joined: 18 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| Your comment has nothing to do with my post, isisaredead. |
i was explaining why i called him an "idiot". it had EVERYTHING to do with your post.
i also agreed that not using capital letters was far from classy - but i have no idea what that has to do with intelligence.
what's your point?
you know what, don't bother - i don't care. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| akcrono wrote: |
| isisaredead wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| I find it oddly amusing that someone who can't be bothered to use capital letters calls another person an idiot. |
fair enough.
all i'm arguing is that if you break the law in a foreign country while knowingly doing something that is, in fact, against the law, you deserve to be fully punished - no matter how ridiculous you think the law is.
try to rationalise it all you want. you're still BREAKING THE LAW. IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY.
whatever. |
So I just want you to clarify your point with another example:
You see a guy running after a woman with a knife. You tackle him right before he gets to stab his target and he lands on the blade, causing severe injury.
Now, based on the laws of this country (blood money), you DESERVE to pay lots of money to this guy and possibly face jail time?
How about the guy who knows he's to drunk to drive, so he hops in the passenger seat, starts up the car for the heat and the radio. Does he DESERVE to get arrested for drunk driving?
I thought what someone "deserves" was based on the concept of justice, not law (and they are not always the same). |
I'm guessing you don't have a lot of involvement with the law here. If you do work for a firm here though, feel free to pm me and prove me wrong.
This country, like many others, revolves around how much money you have. Any of the instances you've mentioned could go various ways depending on representation. |
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cwflaneur
Joined: 04 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| isisaredead wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| I find it oddly amusing that someone who can't be bothered to use capital letters calls another person an idiot. |
fair enough.
all i'm arguing is that if you break the law in a foreign country while knowingly doing something that is, in fact, against the law, you deserve to be fully punished - no matter how ridiculous you think the law is.
try to rationalise it all you want. you're still BREAKING THE LAW. IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY.
whatever. |
It's as if you were talking about a black market sale of vital fluids or something.
I can honestly tell you that about 50% of the foreigners I know in Korea have taught some "private lessons" "illegally". This country would lose half of its NETs if these people got what they "deserve". In many to most cases it just consists of an hour of chatting in English with another adult over coffee, giving them some feedback and corrections on their grammar/idiom, and accepting a few thousand man won as compensation for one's time. It's grotesque that you could you be so hot and bothered over something like that.
Koreans are desperate for authentic language contact with native speakers. The Korean govt may say one thing about it, but the vast mass of Korean people are essentially voting against that law with their cash. |
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isisaredead
Joined: 18 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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i understand that. but it's still against the law.
i have a healthy respect for obeying the law in a foreign country that i don't even need to be in in the first place. if they want me to jump through hoops for the visa process, for example, i can do two things:
grumble, and jump through the hoops; or, not teach in korea.
i don't make laws. i'm happy assuming that the laws are in place for a good reason, and i will obey them. that includes private lessons. i feel getting indignant about breaking a law that you don't agree with in a foreign country is pretty goddamn stupid.
i'm constantly repeating myself in this thread. i'm done. |
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cwflaneur
Joined: 04 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| isisaredead wrote: |
i understand that. but it's still against the law.
i have a healthy respect for obeying the law in a foreign country that i don't even need to be in in the first place. if they want me to jump through hoops for the visa process, for example, i can do two things:
grumble, and jump through the hoops; or, not teach in korea.
i don't make laws. i'm happy assuming that the laws are in place for a good reason, and i will obey them. that includes private lessons. i feel getting indignant about breaking a law that you don't agree with in a foreign country is pretty goddamn stupid.
i'm constantly repeating myself in this thread. i'm done. |
Oh, your point is well understood, and it's not an invalid point. But there are counter-points which it fails contain, and which I outlined above.
The point is to have some perspective on it. As was already noted, legality is not morality, and if it's morality you're concerned about, adultery is also treated as a crime (literally) in Korea. In spite of that, I don't think I would wax righteous to a foreigner who got himself into an affair of passion with a married Korean lady, nor I suspect, would you... would you? |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:48 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| akcrono wrote: |
| isisaredead wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| I find it oddly amusing that someone who can't be bothered to use capital letters calls another person an idiot. |
fair enough.
all i'm arguing is that if you break the law in a foreign country while knowingly doing something that is, in fact, against the law, you deserve to be fully punished - no matter how ridiculous you think the law is.
try to rationalise it all you want. you're still BREAKING THE LAW. IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY.
whatever. |
So I just want you to clarify your point with another example:
You see a guy running after a woman with a knife. You tackle him right before he gets to stab his target and he lands on the blade, causing severe injury.
Now, based on the laws of this country (blood money), you DESERVE to pay lots of money to this guy and possibly face jail time?
How about the guy who knows he's to drunk to drive, so he hops in the passenger seat, starts up the car for the heat and the radio. Does he DESERVE to get arrested for drunk driving?
I thought what someone "deserves" was based on the concept of justice, not law (and they are not always the same). |
I'm guessing you don't have a lot of involvement with the law here. If you do work for a firm here though, feel free to pm me and prove me wrong.
This country, like many others, revolves around how much money you have. Any of the instances you've mentioned could go various ways depending on representation. |
I'm not talking about the actual result of any of these scenarios. I'm talking about what someone deserves from a morality point of view.
Someone who tutors English illegally is not causing great harm to anyone and doesn't DESERVE to be deported; it's a punishment for a (more or less) harmless action. However, it's the law; anyone who breaks the law should expect the possibility of punishment and not be surprised if they get punished if they get caught. Likewise, people who step in to stop fights or sober up in a warm car don't deserve punishment, although the risk of punishment should be expected. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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But who are you to determine harm?
Korean society has deemed it harmful to have
-unregistered teachers entering people's homes
-undocumented workers
-unregulated education fees
-unqualified teachers
-untaxed income
now, you may or not agree with all of the above, but there is logic to it.
There are many laws regulating foreign workers in other countries... and a lot of those laws revolve around right to work. I don't see Korea as being so far off of the norm as to call it in any way a major injustice.
If Koreans, and the korean government, want to regulate how foreigners work in Korea, I think they are well within their rights to do so. So long as they stick to basic human rights principles, it's really a matter of preferences. |
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ATM SPIDERTAO
Joined: 05 Jul 2009
Location: seoul, south korea
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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LOL i contributed
i drove my scooter without a helmet the DAY i got a license =)
got charged 20,000won!!!
and this was right in my town center... a lot of students and graduated students looked at me and waved and i felt pretty hilarious |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
But who are you to determine harm?
Korean society has deemed it harmful to have
-unregistered teachers entering people's homes
-undocumented workers
-unregulated education fees
-unqualified teachers
-untaxed income
now, you may or not agree with all of the above, but there is logic to it.
There are many laws regulating foreign workers in other countries... and a lot of those laws revolve around right to work. I don't see Korea as being so far off of the norm as to call it in any way a major injustice.
If Koreans, and the korean government, want to regulate how foreigners work in Korea, I think they are well within their rights to do so. So long as they stick to basic human rights principles, it's really a matter of preferences. |
Not true about unqualified teachers. Having a college degree in an unrelated field doesn't qualify someone to teach English, yet that's all that's needed to qualify in Korea. |
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