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End of English, rise of Mandarin?
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aq8knyus



Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London

PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:03 pm    Post subject: End of English, rise of Mandarin? Reply with quote

I am on a GEPIK contract at an elementary school and will finish soon, I teach mainly afterschool classes. The other foreigner here will take over that schedule as there will no longer be any native teachers assisting in regular class. After next year the afterschool will also finish.

At the same time the school has recently hired Mandarin teachers from China and will begin teaching classes next week.

Has anything like this happened at other schools? Do you get the impression that there is going to be a shift?
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r122925



Joined: 02 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eventually? sure, maybe. But it's not going to happen over night. They're not going to stop teaching English.

My school has had a native Chinese teacher for two years now, and they haven't gotten rid of me yet. Chinese is gaining importance, but that doesn't mean that English is any less important.
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creeper1



Joined: 30 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sigh. Not this retarded worry again.

Europe converses in English. This would be enough to cement it's status as world language.

English has Europe + USA + Canada + Australia + India.

English = completely dominant for the next 500 years AT LEAST.
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Zackback



Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk

PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Throw in the Philippines as well.

China doesn't hire many NET's and other to teach English do they? Smile
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aq8knyus



Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London

PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@creeper

It's not retarded and I wish people would stop using that as a dirty word.

I asked the question because the school in question was for a time looking to be a leader for English in the area. Then suddenly not only is there going to be no native teacher in the regular class the afterschool classes will also end.

I wanted to know if this was a trend or if it was just an isolated case.
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Malislamusrex



Joined: 01 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can add Africa, the Middle East and South America to that, in every country you go to you will find at east 1/10 people speak English.

creeper1 wrote:
Sigh. Not this retarded worry again.

Europe converses in English. This would be enough to cement it's status as world language.

English has Europe + USA + Canada + Australia + India.

English = completely dominant for the next 500 years AT LEAST.
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radcon



Joined: 23 May 2011

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aq8knyus wrote:


It's not retarded and I wish people would stop using that as a dirty word.




Why?
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actionjackson



Joined: 30 Dec 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With all the different dialects being spoken in China, I don't think this will happen any time soon. I don't think a countries language can become a leading world language when your whole country isn't even on the same page. Just my thoughts.
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koreatimes



Joined: 07 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The title is, "End of English, rise of Mandarin?"

This is a very strong assertion. Just with a simple look, Mandarin is extremely difficult to speak. English doesn't emphasize tones and operate in the same manner. I think the Chinese writing system is superior, but that alone is not going to cut it. As far as speaking goes, this rules the world and I don't see Chinese being the first choice unless you are specifically going to abandon English. In this case, you already know English and this is a moot debate.

So, why is the original poster posting this and experiencing more Chinese teachers? I think the answer is clear cut. I never had a math tutor. There was a standard to learning math, and I could always get help from a friend. However, when it came to languages, we could choose French or Spanish (some places also taught German, but not in my childhood). So, in this case, I would get a Spanish tutor to help out because it was a SECONDARY subject. It wasn't math, English, or science.

I think instead of them valuing Chinese more by hiring Chinese teachers, they are actually trying to get a hold on two areas of importance. If a school gets Chinese teachers, they must feel confident enough that their English program can stand alone without a native English speaker. They are not cutting it though with competition to get students to be trilingual.

Native English teachers are damned by the success of the English influence over the world. We aren't getting less dominant, but more. This means students have to compete at a higher level and become trilingual. It's no surprise that Chinese would be selected by the Koreans.
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itistime



Joined: 23 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

koreatimes wrote:
The title is, "End of English, rise of Mandarin?"

This is a very strong assertion. Just with a simple look, Mandarin is extremely difficult to write. English doesn't emphasize tones and operate in the same manner. I think the Chinese writing system is superior, but that alone is not going to cut it. As far as speaking goes, this rules the world and I don't see Chinese being the first choice unless you are specifically going to abandon English. In this case, you already know English and this is a moot debate.

So, why is the original poster posting this and experiencing more Chinese teachers? I think the answer is clear cut. I never had a math tutor. There was a standard to learning math, and I could always get help from a friend. However, when it came to languages, we could choose French or Spanish (some places also taught German, but not in my childhood). So, in this case, I would get a Spanish tutor to help out because it was a SECONDARY subject. It wasn't math, English, or science.

I think instead of them valuing Chinese more by hiring Chinese teachers, they are actually trying to get a hold on two areas of importance. If a school gets Chinese teachers, they must feel confident enough that their English program can stand alone without a native English speaker. They are not cutting it though with competition to get students to be trilingual.

Native English teachers are damned by the success of the English influence over the world. We aren't getting less dominant, but more. This means students have to compete at a higher level and become trilingual. It's no surprise that Chinese would be selected by the Koreans.


And speak, for that matter.
I'll guess it's in the 500yr ball park, like a previous poster said.
And, the different dialects is a huge factor, like another stated.

I tell my students that it would behoove them to be competitive
from a multilingual standpoint to learn either Chinese or Japanese.
We have a Japanese teacher at the school and I banter in Chinese
with some of the more educated pupils.

English is around for good. We should be so fortunate to have
been born in a country with it as a native tongue.
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NohopeSeriously



Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's not forget the fact that some big Korean corporations are hiring many South Koreans who learned Russian. I'm a gyopo who used to live in Russia. Russian society still has this anti-English mentality at present. If those Korean companies want to set afoot in Russia or Kazakhstan, they better off ditching English for Russian.

We're seeing a growing number of Koryo-Saram (Koreans from ex-USSR countries) living around Seoul and Busan. Would they speak Korean or English? NO. They often petition against the South Korean government so they can have Russian language governmental services.

English will be still dominant expect for the stiff competition among other big languages.
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WadRUG'naDoo



Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think China has 8 main languages. They're not dialects. There are, for example, different dialects of Mandarin (Beijing dialect, for one).

Anyway, the universal (if that's how you could classify it) one is Mandarin. Learning that would suffice, I would think.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

creeper1 wrote:
Sigh. Not this retarded worry again.

Europe converses in English. This would be enough to cement it's status as world language.

English has Europe + USA + Canada + Australia + India.

English = completely dominant for the next 500 years AT LEAST.


What if the economic strength of China is greater than the collection of your countries, what will happen then?

Exactly.
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sadguy



Joined: 13 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

actionjackson wrote:
With all the different dialects being spoken in China, I don't think this will happen any time soon. I don't think a countries language can become a leading world language when your whole country isn't even on the same page. Just my thoughts.


there are hundreds of dialect, but the national language is mandarin, and everyone in china, including the uigars speak mandarin. mandarin is taught in all the schools, it's even now taught in hong kong.
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Zackback



Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Juregen wrote:
creeper1 wrote:
Sigh. Not this retarded worry again.

Europe converses in English. This would be enough to cement it's status as world language.

English has Europe + USA + Canada + Australia + India.

English = completely dominant for the next 500 years AT LEAST.


What if the economic strength of China is greater than the collection of your countries, what will happen then?

Exactly.


That's easy. They would hire more English teachers.
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