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daveeslcafe888
Joined: 09 Apr 2011
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 Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:32 am Post subject: Best Clubs In Hongdae? |
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Hi Guys,
I'd like your input on to what are the best clubs in Hongdae.
I prefer Cocoon and Mama/Papa Gorilla.
Thanks |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| if those are your preferred places you could almost really walk into any club in hongdae and feel at home |
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PigeonFart
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:17 am Post subject: |
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I once recommended a good club in hongdae. Then every english teacher and soldier in town (all men of course) arrived and it lost it's appeal. If you find a good club, don't tell anyone.  |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Things must have changed since I was a regular club-goer (in my young, dumb and full of __ days). The best clubs were the ones where you scored the most frequently, or as in my case, had the best chance of not getting rejected by every girl in the room.
The music, drinks and general ambience were all completely incidental. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| PigeonFart wrote: |
| I once recommended a good club in hongdae. Then every english teacher and soldier in town (all men of course) arrived and it lost it's appeal. If you find a good club, don't tell anyone. |
i highly doubt you had much to do with this clubs downfall. 
once foreigners get wind of a new club in hongdae or anywhere else they normally swarm it. that's why the "expensive" clubs that cost 30k to get into will always be a safe haven for those avoiding that kind of environment. |
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Koreadays
Joined: 20 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| there aren't any. they all suck! |
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Gorf
Joined: 25 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Mama and Papa Gorilla are both pretty dirty, but I prefer Papa Gorilla more, it's got a better vibe. Don't go to Cocoon, it's horrible. Same goes for dd club.
S and ska2 are sometimes free for foreigners, and the vibe is decent, but they're also dirty as hell, totally bottom-of-the-barrel.
nb2 is good but sometimes the DJs ruin the vibe when they go from playing good dance-y hip hop mixes and start playing more downtempo stuff. Also, the dance floor is at best 75% dudes and 25% women.
M2 is probably the best club, they play good, new DJ dance mixes. They get some big names sometimes, the dance floor has a good gender mix, and there's not a lot of foreigners. The only problem is that there's a big cover charge sometimes. Last weekend it was 25,000 on Saturday night. For 20,000 on Club Day you can go into M2 and some other ones for 20,000, but that's only the last Friday of every month. |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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M2 and Mansion are really the only venues in the neighborhood that I would classify as dance clubs. M2 has a really strict music policy that focuses on techno and tech house and has one of the best resident lineups in the city. Mansion has really amazing design and sound qualities, but they rely heavily on outside promotion due to their off the beaten path location so every night has a different sound. Cover charge at both places tends to be high (20,000-30,000) but drink prices are VERY reasonable compared to other big clubs in the city.
The rest are mostly basement dives that play s*****y pop music and hip hop, but I can see where that has some appeal, especially for the RTL crowd. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not a big fan of house/techno music. Maybe its because all the DJ's in Korea suck at transitions. You are dancing, having a great time, and suddenly the music shifts gears dramatically and everyone is kinda standing around for a few seconds trying to pick up the new beat.
It seems all the house/techno music is the same at all the clubs.
Fast beat, then to no percussion and just melody, then the music gets louder, people start "Whoooo!"ing, then the beat kicks in real loud.
Rinse and repeat that all night long. Throw in the irregular song changes where the beat goes from 4/4 to a 3/4 and the tempo changes drastically.
Thats just my personal opinion though. |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
I'm not a big fan of house/techno music. Maybe its because all the DJ's in Korea suck at transitions. You are dancing, having a great time, and suddenly the music shifts gears dramatically and everyone is kinda standing around for a few seconds trying to pick up the new beat.
It seems all the house/techno music is the same at all the clubs.
Fast beat, then to no percussion and just melody, then the music gets louder, people start "Whoooo!"ing, then the beat kicks in real loud.
Rinse and repeat that all night long. Throw in the irregular song changes where the beat goes from 4/4 to a 3/4 and the tempo changes drastically.
Thats just my personal opinion though. |
Where have you been hanging out? |
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Koreadays
Joined: 20 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
I'm not a big fan of house/techno music. Maybe its because all the DJ's in Korea suck at transitions. You are dancing, having a great time, and suddenly the music shifts gears dramatically and everyone is kinda standing around for a few seconds trying to pick up the new beat.
It seems all the house/techno music is the same at all the clubs.
Fast beat, then to no percussion and just melody, then the music gets louder, people start "Whoooo!"ing, then the beat kicks in real loud.
Rinse and repeat that all night long. Throw in the irregular song changes where the beat goes from 4/4 to a 3/4 and the tempo changes drastically.
Thats just my personal opinion though. |
I agree, a lot of djs forget they are servants to the people,
they need to learn to read a crowd!
problem is they become so arrogant they just play what they want to hear and hope people dance to it, the pros can totally change their set to suit a different kind of crowd, these amature djs in Korea, wouldn't even know how to get a party started!
I stopped dancing in Korea years ago, the dj's just all sucked!
and that includes m2 and everywhere else,
they all belong in their bedrooms ! |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:47 am Post subject: |
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| Koreadays wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
I'm not a big fan of house/techno music. Maybe its because all the DJ's in Korea suck at transitions. You are dancing, having a great time, and suddenly the music shifts gears dramatically and everyone is kinda standing around for a few seconds trying to pick up the new beat.
It seems all the house/techno music is the same at all the clubs.
Fast beat, then to no percussion and just melody, then the music gets louder, people start "Whoooo!"ing, then the beat kicks in real loud.
Rinse and repeat that all night long. Throw in the irregular song changes where the beat goes from 4/4 to a 3/4 and the tempo changes drastically.
Thats just my personal opinion though. |
I agree, a lot of djs forget they are servants to the people,
they need to learn to read a crowd!
problem is they become so arrogant they just play what they want to hear and hope people dance to it, the pros can totally change their set to suit a different kind of crowd, these amature djs in Korea, wouldn't even know how to get a party started!
I stopped dancing in Korea years ago, the dj's just all sucked!
and that includes m2 and everywhere else,
they all belong in their bedrooms ! |
What a lot of people fail to realize is that a consistent music policy is one of the most overlooked keys to the nightclub business, even if the music policy is to be inconsistent.  Big clubs like M2 and small lounges like B1 are packed 5-6 nights a week because, in part at least, they deliver a consistent lifestyle product that has "stuck" with a core crowd of constituents and earned their repeat business.
Yes, most great DJs (ones who do it for a living) are able to push and pull a crowd in any direction by working with them and reading them, but that doesn't mean they should change up their style or genre on the fly just because a few people aren't feeling the vibe. This goes especially for producers...guys like Mark Knight, for example, who have big enough name and brand recognition that people actually come to see them play their own music from their labels.
A lot of DJs in Korea, with the exception of a handful I've come to know and respect even if their musical styles differ from my own, suffer from the same problem that the clubs do. The technology and flash are all there, but there's no soul under the surface.
Thankfully, it's changing slowly at some levels, but now that any hack with a Mac can purchase Serato/Traktor and "decide" to become a DJ without learning the nuances of crowd control it's kind of a losing battle. |
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Koreadays
Joined: 20 May 2008
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:15 am Post subject: |
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| seoulsucker wrote: |
What a lot of people fail to realize is that a consistent music policy is one of the most overlooked keys to the nightclub business, even if the music policy is to be inconsistent. Big clubs like M2 and small lounges like B1 are packed 5-6 nights a week because, in part at least, they deliver a consistent lifestyle product that has "stuck" with a core crowd of constituents and earned their repeat business.
Yes, most great DJs (ones who do it for a living) are able to push and pull a crowd in any direction by working with them and reading them, but that doesn't mean they should change up their style or genre on the fly just because a few people aren't feeling the vibe. This goes especially for producers...guys like Mark Knight, for example, who have big enough name and brand recognition that people actually come to see them play their own music from their labels.
A lot of DJs in Korea, with the exception of a handful I've come to know and respect even if their musical styles differ from my own, suffer from the same problem that the clubs do. The technology and flash are all there, but there's no soul under the surface.
Thankfully, it's changing slowly at some levels, but now that any hack with a Mac can purchase Serato/Traktor and "decide" to become a DJ without learning the nuances of crowd control it's kind of a losing battle. |
I agree with this, but I think the reasons some clubs like m2 worked and continue to work is purely based on marketing, and reputation.B1 also.
korea is a clicky society like so many others, superficial, to be seen etc
M2 entered the market when the owners who owned the small under ground clubs expanded into the first real main stream club for Korea and managed to keep the reputation going with promotions and music.
it doesn't take that much skill to play a set to a crowd who are pretty amateurish at best.
you mentioned NO SOUL under the surface. and this is so true,
THE EDM scene like the HIP HOP SCENE is an organic culture which needs breathing, it needs attitude, it needs freaks, it needs dedicated dance floor dancers who can push the dj and push the club for change.
Korea is a lollie pop , baby ride affair. they turn up the speakers without breaking them. afraid to go further and push the envelope., they don't even drive you to the edge, the market will never really hit full throttle here without the drug scene, you need people on drugs to create a vibrant rocking scene. EDM and drugs go hard in hard.
I am not saying someone can't enjoy the scene without drugs, I am saying drugs are needed to drive the scene into the next level and open up a new
level, just party in other countries to see how far superior the sets are and how charged the atmosphere is,
Korea needs more lax drug laws for this scene to really get going! |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| Koreadays wrote: |
| seoulsucker wrote: |
What a lot of people fail to realize is that a consistent music policy is one of the most overlooked keys to the nightclub business, even if the music policy is to be inconsistent. Big clubs like M2 and small lounges like B1 are packed 5-6 nights a week because, in part at least, they deliver a consistent lifestyle product that has "stuck" with a core crowd of constituents and earned their repeat business.
Yes, most great DJs (ones who do it for a living) are able to push and pull a crowd in any direction by working with them and reading them, but that doesn't mean they should change up their style or genre on the fly just because a few people aren't feeling the vibe. This goes especially for producers...guys like Mark Knight, for example, who have big enough name and brand recognition that people actually come to see them play their own music from their labels.
A lot of DJs in Korea, with the exception of a handful I've come to know and respect even if their musical styles differ from my own, suffer from the same problem that the clubs do. The technology and flash are all there, but there's no soul under the surface.
Thankfully, it's changing slowly at some levels, but now that any hack with a Mac can purchase Serato/Traktor and "decide" to become a DJ without learning the nuances of crowd control it's kind of a losing battle. |
I agree with this, but I think the reasons some clubs like m2 worked and continue to work is purely based on marketing, and reputation.B1 also.
korea is a clicky society like so many others, superficial, to be seen etc
M2 entered the market when the owners who owned the small under ground clubs expanded into the first real main stream club for Korea and managed to keep the reputation going with promotions and music.
it doesn't take that much skill to play a set to a crowd who are pretty amateurish at best.
you mentioned NO SOUL under the surface. and this is so true,
THE EDM scene like the HIP HOP SCENE is an organic culture which needs breathing, it needs attitude, it needs freaks, it needs dedicated dance floor dancers who can push the dj and push the club for change.
Korea is a lollie pop , baby ride affair. they turn up the speakers without breaking them. afraid to go further and push the envelope., they don't even drive you to the edge, the market will never really hit full throttle here without the drug scene, you need people on drugs to create a vibrant rocking scene. EDM and drugs go hard in hard.
I am not saying someone can't enjoy the scene without drugs, I am saying drugs are needed to drive the scene into the next level and open up a new
level, just party in other countries to see how far superior the sets are and how charged the atmosphere is,
Korea needs more lax drug laws for this scene to really get going! |
interesting. I agree in many ways.
for how/where the evolution takes it all, see Stadium Club - Jakarta. |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:58 am Post subject: |
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who cares. if i wanted consistent electronic music i'd play some atari games.
yay! let's dance to drug music without the drugs.
oh, but it's about the "Scene." pfffffft.
Also, RTL? WTHITIYDMMA? What the hell is that if you don't mind me asking? |
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