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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:07 am Post subject: |
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| sojusucks wrote: |
| Zyzyfer wrote: |
| Sounds better than the previous incarnation of the place! |
No kidding- it was a dive with Russian ladies sitting at the front table. But that didn't stop food bloggers from wildly recommending the place!  |
Must've been after my time. When Todd ran it it was a tight ship. He sold and it went downhill. OP had me interested to go tonight, but it's closed on Tuesdays. I was psyched, too.
What I was ranting about was the foozball and Kpop era of the place. |
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metalhead
Joined: 18 May 2010 Location: Toilet
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| Processed cheese, American cheese, what is the difference? May as well be gnawing on plastic. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Newsflash- The cheese is not the deal-breaker on a cheesesteak, it's the roll, followed by the meat.
The roll better be a good one and the meat better be ribeye. Done right with onions in the mix.
Cheese you can do fine with cheezwhiz or provolone (ideal) or even swiss or Kraft singles or cheddar.
Bobby Flay on 'Throwdown' once cooked up cheezwhiz textured provolone. Now that seems like the gold standard. |
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thurst
Joined: 08 Apr 2009 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Actual Philly Cheese Steak from Philly uses Cheeze Whiz. How's that for processed cheese? |
pretty much. "real cheese" is for those fake gourmet cheesesteaks...some of which are pretty good, but still. |
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pkang0202

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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| metalhead wrote: |
| Processed cheese, American cheese, what is the difference? May as well be gnawing on plastic. |
Don't know about you, but a grilled American Cheese sandwich is pretty damn good. Especially with tomato soup. |
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cdninkorea

Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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You do understand that you are in Korea? Nothing will be exactly like back home or everywhere. Things will not be available or cheap or just not done that way. Tastes will be different... Here is a hint - ask the restaurant if they can make it with real cheese - maybe they will charge you more. Talk to them - maybe they will take your advice and change the menu. Maybe you can get it your way.
From your join date OP I am surprised at this. I mean after 6 years I think your would get the basic idea of "Korea is not ...." Korea is Korea. From Kimchi burgers to sweet corn on pizza to Green tea bread. |
I know Korea is not like Canada, and that a lot of western foods are Koreanized. But again (I feel like I've written this a dozen times), this is an expat-owned bar in Itaewon, and many (most?) of their customers are foreign. But when I go back I will take your suggestion and ask if they can use non-processed cheese, like shredded cheddar or something (and if not I'll order something else).
What really impressed me is was the gorgonzola cheese on the burgers at Craftworks and the made on-site burgers, also with great cheese, at est.1894. Here:
http://craftworkstaphouse.com/
http://www.est1894.com/ |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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Again...Real Philly Cheesesteaks use Whiz...
A cheesesteak using provolone is not a Philly cheesesteak, its an Italian cheesesteak. Usually those have green peppers thrown in as well and maybe the meat is seasoned/peppered. Possibly with pizza sauce.
A philly cheesesteak is whiz, ribeye, onions, and fungus on an amoroso roll.
Cheddar is actually one of the poorer cheeses to use on a cheesesteak due to its melting properties, it works ok as part of a blend, but still, its no provolone and certainly no whiz.
You want whiz or other processed cheeses because the cheese in a cheesesteak should stay melted and runny throughout your time eating it, not congealed.
I've never been to this place, but the more pertinent question is how is their roll for their steak? It all comes down to the roll. Soft all the way through, yet never soggy. The grease should go through but not turn it into muck.
Meat is pretty hard to mess up as long as you stick to ribeye done up with onions. |
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cdninkorea

Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails, I doff my hat to your superior knowledge in all things Philly cheesesteak, and I'm not being sarcastic. Provolone cheese would be better? Should I ever attempt my own cheesesteak sandwich, I'll keep this in mind. |
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pkang0202

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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:19 am Post subject: |
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I tried a cheese steak at W burger.
It was the nastiest thing I ever ate in my entire life. They had some weird, brown mushroom-flavored mayonaise. |
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DC in Suwon
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Did you take a picture of it? (sarcasm font) |
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IamBabo
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:58 am Post subject: Cheese Steaks |
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With all this being said about Philly Cheese Steak, I'd thought you'd like to know that there will be a Charley's opening up in the Hongdae(Hapjeong Sta.) area in September. It's a real sub shop. Their specialty is Philly Cheese Steak. I do believe they use provolone though. I think if you ask, they'll use American. If any of you have been on the base in Yongsan, then you know what I'm talking about. I think the grand opening is set for mid September.
Hope some of you try it out.. |
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luckylady
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Koreans in general do not have a great deal of knowledge about cheese as their dairy industry is not as well developed as in the West. Cheese came from Europe, was an offshoot of milk production, obviously, again a Western food.
most cheeses in Korea are therefore imported; even then it's only been in the 21st century that a larger variety has been available.
cheesemaking in general requires patience and of course, a certain acquired taste to create a product people will accept. a lot of European cheese recipes were handed down through generations of cheese-making, after all.
in Korea, it was a lot simpler and easier to make processed cheeses initially, and with Korean labels, the Korean public came to accept this taste as the standard, as they had nothing to compare it to in their own culture. imported cheeses were of course, foreign, and foreign-tasting so it took longer for them to be accepted, if at all.
something to be aware of is how risky it is to eat cheese in a country such as Korea where one is unsure of the cheese's source. both making and handling cheese requires care and precise methods; all cheeses are extremely susceptible to contamination, if not handled appropriately.
yogurt products are in the same industry; I aquired a listeria http://www.cdc.gov/listeria/ infection from Korean yogurt while in Korea, which was quite painful and caused some problems before finally being diagnosed when back in the U.S.
enjoy your cheese but just be aware of the capabilities of any prepared foreign food in any restaurant that may not be managed by expert chefs. Korean foreign restaurants are often run by Koreans who lived a few years abroad and only copy the recipes they think might be profitable with little or even no consideration given to the actual product and how it might be perceived by customers; rather profit is the primary motive, hence the often inferior taste and inconsistency of flavor. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0

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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Someone else beat me to it, but they are generally made with American cheese, which is processed. Sorry that you were disappointed! |
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JustinC
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Any food with 'whiz' in the name is awesome and will go on top of anything I eat. I like kimchi-whiz, burger-whiz, soup-whiz and pie-whiz. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| luckylady wrote: |
Koreans in general do not have a great deal of knowledge about cheese as their dairy industry is not as well developed as in the West. Cheese came from Europe, was an offshoot of milk production, obviously, again a Western food.
most cheeses in Korea are therefore imported; even then it's only been in the 21st century that a larger variety has been available.
cheesemaking in general requires patience and of course, a certain acquired taste to create a product people will accept. a lot of European cheese recipes were handed down through generations of cheese-making, after all.
in Korea, it was a lot simpler and easier to make processed cheeses initially, and with Korean labels, the Korean public came to accept this taste as the standard, as they had nothing to compare it to in their own culture. imported cheeses were of course, foreign, and foreign-tasting so it took longer for them to be accepted, if at all.
something to be aware of is how risky it is to eat cheese in a country such as Korea where one is unsure of the cheese's source. both making and handling cheese requires care and precise methods; all cheeses are extremely susceptible to contamination, if not handled appropriately.
yogurt products are in the same industry; I aquired a listeria http://www.cdc.gov/listeria/ infection from Korean yogurt while in Korea, which was quite painful and caused some problems before finally being diagnosed when back in the U.S.
enjoy your cheese but just be aware of the capabilities of any prepared foreign food in any restaurant that may not be managed by expert chefs. Korean foreign restaurants are often run by Koreans who lived a few years abroad and only copy the recipes they think might be profitable with little or even no consideration given to the actual product and how it might be perceived by customers; rather profit is the primary motive, hence the often inferior taste and inconsistency of flavor. |
What you say is true regarding cheese and many foreign foods in Korea. I don't know if Phillies is foreigner owned and operated, but yeah, the foreign food here can be suspect for the reasons you mentioned..
On the other hand, -1 for going off on how Korean restaurant owners may not know much about their making foreign food and acting all bewildered at processed cheese on a cheesesteak. |
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