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visitorq
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| Historically, this is the way of the world. At one time we were all separate tribes just miles from each other that used totally different currencies and laws. Then came city-states. Then nations. Soon large unions. Eventually a global community. Governed by a central government and using a single global currency. I, happily, look forward to that day. |
Yeah, because nothing could be better for humanity than a single world government controlled by an undemocratic mafia of banking criminals who have conquered the world through debt. What we really need is an even greater monopoly on power to fix all the problems the globalists have caused for the world. Let's get rid of all checks and balances and just let them have their way with us. Bring on the austerity, bring on the carbon taxes, bring on the unaccountable elite (and the superclass of corrupt bureacracts below them controlling our lives with impunity), bring on the neo-serfdom. The future looks bright indeed. |
I knew that'd get under your skin. You fit the stereotype of every super goober libertarian there is. |
Nice to see you sidestep the issue with a worthless ad hominem. You fail at debate. |
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Zackback
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:03 am Post subject: |
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Wouldn't war be a reason to unify even stronger?
And if the powers that be want a war they simply need to convince the mindless herds one (or more) is necessary. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:36 am Post subject: |
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Wouldn't war be a reason to unify even stronger?
And if the powers that be want a war they simply need to convince the mindless herds one (or more) is necessary. |
When all else fails, they take us to war. |
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weso1
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| weso1 wrote: |
| Historically, this is the way of the world. At one time we were all separate tribes just miles from each other that used totally different currencies and laws. Then came city-states. Then nations. Soon large unions. Eventually a global community. Governed by a central government and using a single global currency. I, happily, look forward to that day. |
Yeah, because nothing could be better for humanity than a single world government controlled by an undemocratic mafia of banking criminals who have conquered the world through debt. What we really need is an even greater monopoly on power to fix all the problems the globalists have caused for the world. Let's get rid of all checks and balances and just let them have their way with us. Bring on the austerity, bring on the carbon taxes, bring on the unaccountable elite (and the superclass of corrupt bureacracts below them controlling our lives with impunity), bring on the neo-serfdom. The future looks bright indeed. |
I knew that'd get under your skin. You fit the stereotype of every super goober libertarian there is. |
Nice to see you sidestep the issue with a worthless ad hominem. You fail at debate. |
All you do is rant dude. You're no better than these blind old teabaggers. You rage just to rage against something.
Btw, you do realize you are contributing to this future global community by just living abroad, spending money, working, etc.. If you had any conviction you'd move off the grid to rural Montana or New Hampshire, trade in all your cash for slivers of gold and try to make a life of it.
Until that day comes, you're all talk. Any time someone posts a political/economic topic here, we can guarantee you'll be on the first page blabbering on about corruption, or spending, or whatever anti-government propaganda you get from Ron Paul (who, for the most part, is not taken seriously by anyone of consequence.) |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:35 am Post subject: |
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| or whatever anti-government propaganda you get from Ron Paul (who, for the most part, is not taken seriously by anyone of consequence.) |
Uh oh. You put your foot in it this time. The Paulbots will be out in force...
4...3...2... |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:49 am Post subject: |
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Has Europe had a longer stretch of peace since the fall of Rome? The development of the EU has played a hugely important role in that. A history of 15 centuries of killing each other...6 decades of seeking another way.
While it may be too soon transform into a complete union, right now the Union is close enough that when Greeks sneeze, Germans catch a cold. That happens when you are sleeping in the same bed, cheek by jowl. The present crisis may drive the EU apart, or it might be drawn closer together. Short term, I have no idea what will happen. Long term, recent history says they will take another step toward closer union. The world needs an economically and politically stable Europe. The world doesn't always get what it needs. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:45 am Post subject: |
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| All you do is rant dude. You're no better than these blind old teabaggers. You rage just to rage against something. |
This is the best come back you could come up after failing to address any of the points I made and blatantly side stepping? Again, you really suck at debating. You think your half-wit "dude" tactics are actually going to cut it here? Get real.
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| Btw, you do realize you are contributing to this future global community by just living abroad, spending money, working, etc.. If you had any conviction you'd move off the grid to rural Montana or New Hampshire, trade in all your cash for slivers of gold and try to make a life of it. |
You fail at logic too.
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| Until that day comes, you're all talk. Any time someone posts a political/economic topic here, we can guarantee you'll be on the first page blabbering on about corruption, or spending, or whatever anti-government propaganda you get from Ron Paul (who, for the most part, is not taken seriously by anyone of consequence.) |
LOL, and I'm instead supposed to listen to you, a person of literally no consequence, who has about as much insight into politics as Ashton Kutcher has on the whereabouts of his car? I think I'll stick with Ron Paul. But thanks for the laugh. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| Has Europe had a longer stretch of peace since the fall of Rome? The development of the EU has played a hugely important role in that. A history of 15 centuries of killing each other...6 decades of seeking another way. |
What, you mean since the end of the Cold War? |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| Eventually a global community. Governed by a central government and using a single global currency. I, happily, look forward to that day. |
Seriously? Why? Sounds like something out of a nightmare. |
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| Ron Paul (who, for the most part, is not taken seriously by anyone of consequence.) |
Person who yearns for global centralized gov't doesn't take Ron Paul seriously. Stop the presses.  |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:39 am Post subject: |
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Has Europe had a longer stretch of peace since the fall of Rome? The development of the EU has played a hugely important role in that. A history of 15 centuries of killing each other...6 decades of seeking another way.
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| What, you mean since the end of the Cold War? |
Last time I checked, the Balkans were a part of Europe. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Has Europe had a longer stretch of peace since the fall of Rome? The development of the EU has played a hugely important role in that. A history of 15 centuries of killing each other...6 decades of seeking another way.
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| What, you mean since the end of the Cold War? |
Last time I checked, the Balkans were a part of Europe. |
Yes, no doubt.
And also, the last time I checked European nations are even currently at war... in Libya (and elsewhere). So much for ya-ta's theory. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
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Even in Western Europe there were conflicts post 1945 with PIRA, ETA and communist terror groups like RAF.
Although I think the main point is European integration will get stronger and stronger but not in the conventional way. Even though we have some symbols of statehood it will be a top down integration where a member state is so intertwined within the EU structure that withdrawal is impossible.
The biggest holdout is the UK but once the inevitable separation occurs between the Home nations there will be nothing stopping ever closer union, even if the EU is not referred to as a state.
Also Europeans in general are more in favour of �big government� so an EU with the ability to control national expenditure would probably be greatly appreciated. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Also Europeans in general are more in favour of �big government� so an EU with the ability to control national expenditure would probably be greatly appreciated |
Moves toward further integration, when put to the vote, have been consistently shot down, with those democratic votes ignored as our elites move forward towards 'ever greater union.' The entire project is utterly undemocratic and only serves to further dilute the influence of the people over the democratic process. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
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Has Europe had a longer stretch of peace since the fall of Rome? The development of the EU has played a hugely important role in that. A history of 15 centuries of killing each other...6 decades of seeking another way.
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| What, you mean since the end of the Cold War? |
Last time I checked, the Balkans were a part of Europe. |
You are being uncharacteristically disingenuous here.
Since the fall of Rome, point to a similar period of general peace when 2 or more major states did not go at it tooth and nail, as has been the reality since 1945. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| You are being uncharacteristically disingenuous here. |
And you are being characteristically clueless here.
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| Since the fall of Rome, point to a similar period of general peace when 2 or more major states did not go at it tooth and nail, as has been the reality since 1945. |
What do you call the Cold War? People within the US government, military, and intelligence often refer to the Cold War directly as World War III. The so-called War on Terror is referred to as World War IV.
Your notion that we're living in some kind of peaceful world led by Pax Americana / Pax Europa is a joke. How many countries has the West blown to smithereens since the end of WWII? |
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