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hypemo7
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to ontheway:
I understand that the 1.4 mil is short, but thats the number my boss wrote down after we went to the pension office.
I made the mistake of not asking for the amount of money being sent to my Canadian bank account. I did, however, fill out the forms and everything and give all of my bank information at the pension office so everything is legit in that sense. I'm going to the office again on monday morning to check the amount actually. I just don't understand what the number that she wrote down on that paper. Ugh.
This all just seems so sketchy, and the idea of going to the office wouldn't be a bad idea.
This is all going to go down on monday anyways, since it's my last day, so I'll let everyone know what happens, in case they even care.
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| hypemo7 wrote: |
to ontheway:
I understand that the 1.4 mil is short, but thats the number my boss wrote down after we went to the pension office.
I made the mistake of not asking for the amount of money being sent to my Canadian bank account. I did, however, fill out the forms and everything and give all of my bank information at the pension office so everything is legit in that sense. I'm going to the office again on monday morning to check the amount actually. I just don't understand what the number that she wrote down on that paper. Ugh.
This all just seems so sketchy, and the idea of going to the office wouldn't be a bad idea.
This is all going to go down on monday anyways, since it's my last day, so I'll let everyone know what happens, in case they even care.
Thanks again! |
When you go to check on your pension, you need to verify:
1) That your boss reported your salary correctly. Underreporting your income level is one method employers use to cheat. You pay 4.5% of your full pay, they pay little to nothing, depending.
2) Late registration into the system. What was your first date on the job as reported to the Pension office? Perhaps you lost a month or two this way.
3) Final month or months not paid in yet. Make sure that the Pension office bills your employer up to your final ending date, and that they wait to send you your money until all payments are in.
Have you had the deduction made correctly from every month's pay? Do you know how much has been withheld from you, including for your final pay. If so, multiply by 2 and you should have that much.
Also, compute your monthly pay times 9% times 11 months. That's the minimum you should normally have. Sometimes it's legal to only make 11 payments in your first 12 months of work. But, you should only have had 11 months of withholding as well. Ideally it's 12 months, but the math and rules don't always work out that way. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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[q. Imagine you have managed to get a legal, second or even third job on your E2. If you could not work as an independent contractor, at least at the extra jobs, you would be required to pay your pension and health insurance again with each job.
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There is however a caveat to this. It does not apply to certain jobs like working at public schools. You can work at two or more schools without paying pension and health insurance again. This goes for Korean and Foreign teachers alike. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
[q. Imagine you have managed to get a legal, second or even third job on your E2. If you could not work as an independent contractor, at least at the extra jobs, you would be required to pay your pension and health insurance again with each job.
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There is however a caveat to this. It does not apply to certain jobs like working at public schools. You can work at two or more schools without paying pension and health insurance again. This goes for Korean and Foreign teachers alike. |
It is due to the current rules that this is possible. The flexibility to be an independent contractor is essential for all workers. If that flexibility were taken away then it would be no longer possible for the Korean and Foreign teachers at public schools to work at two or more schools without paying twice. Even when they don't call it an "independent contractor" in the contract, these workers are teated as if they were.
If the rules changed this would no longer be possible either.
That is why the rules will not be changed, by the legislature or the courts. |
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Armin_Tamzarian
Joined: 28 Jun 2011
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Maybe you guys can clear this up for me. I am currently registered as an independent contractor. I had been under the impression from reading threads on this and other sites that if my contract states that I'm a full time employee of the hagwon I'm working at then I should be enrolled in the pension system.
Others on this message board said similar things and claimed to have been able to get their statuses changed to get the money owed to them.
I went to the pension office today to speak with someone there and I was told that it doesn't matter what it says in my contract, that it's at my bosses discretion to register me however he wants and that they can't change my status or make the hagwon do anything.
Am I missing something? Do I have any recourse at all? I feel like I'm getting the runaround from these guys now. |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you poster ontheway for your clear all-encompassing posts.
Sticky material if ever I've seen. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| Armin_Tamzarian wrote: |
Maybe you guys can clear this up for me. I am currently registered as an independent contractor. I had been under the impression from reading threads on this and other sites that if my contract states that I'm a full time employee of the hagwon I'm working at then I should be enrolled in the pension system.
Others on this message board said similar things and claimed to have been able to get their statuses changed to get the money owed to them.
I went to the pension office today to speak with someone there and I was told that it doesn't matter what it says in my contract, that it's at my bosses discretion to register me however he wants and that they can't change my status or make the hagwon do anything.
Am I missing something? Do I have any recourse at all? I feel like I'm getting the runaround from these guys now. |
If your contract states that you are an employee then you have grounds to take legal action. Of course, once you undertake any such action against an employer you have usually ended any chance you have of continuing your job and any time you remain there will almost always be miserable for everyone.
Since it is in your contract that you are an employee, it seems that the labor office should help and that maybe you need to speak to a different person at the pension office. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| shifty wrote: |
Thank you poster ontheway for your clear all-encompassing posts.
Sticky material if ever I've seen. |
O RLY?
| wooden nickels wrote: |
If you are on an E2-VISA, and are from Canada, USA, ..., you are not an Independent Contractor. I own a business that has/does employee E2-VISA holders and others. I have been through all the government agencies on this matter. All of the agencies have told me, by law, I am the sponsor of the E2-VISA holder and that in this case the E2-VISA holder cannot be an Independent Contractor by law.
just repeating what the offices have told me |
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